Gillette Soccer Saturday All Say

[JJBlade]

Quite amazing that anybody working in football punditry being close to inside information, and still have so little an idea as to what's actually happened.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Yes it is a daft metric so makes no difference. Resigned/sacked makes no difference. As he says he'd be the one you'd want to try and go back up so ye we got it horribly wrong and ye Merson is right.

Oh on the point that he's who you'd want to bring you back sure, apart from he didn't want to do the job anymore as it stood.
Not sure there's much you can do or criticise the club for in those circumstances, but they choose to totally ignore that aspect. just as they choose to ignore the fact we didn't sack him.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

i still think wilder deserved next season. i think we wouldve been playoffs at least, but then he was frustrated as he had his hands tied, because we couldnt afford british players but he was probably worried about too many foreign players as depends who you get some are brilliant & some can be very disruptive or homesick. dimitri payet was incredible 1 year & a flop the next

but its happened & we move on now. because no need to look back.

Lunny, Stevens, Norwood, Fleck, were all incredible for our first season at this level and then flopped.
He bought British as he wanted. and as yet no one has held down a position in the first team and made it their own aside from Rammers.
I say this as someone who believes there are qualities at this level in McBurnie, Berge, Brewster, Bogle and Ramsdale which will come to the fore and they'll prove to be good signings give time, but we didn't have time and couldn't afford those first names to drop in form so dramatically certainly combined with the injuries we've faced.

Given all that, I don't think it's unreasonable if the board we wanted to revisit the transfer process Wilder had favoured.
If you're frustrated that your hands are tied, do you just look to change to process or just keep moaning that your hands are tied and change nothing?

 

[sitwell]

Punditry is the easiest job in football everything is based on hindsight.

I have more respect for those who go into coaching/management like David Weir than anyone who goes into punditry.

Merson did go into management.

 

[SB_90]

Lunny, Stevens, Norwood, Fleck, were all incredible for our first season at this level and then flopped.
He bought British as he wanted. and as yet no one has held down a position in the first team and made it their own aside from Rammers.
I say this as someone who believes there are qualities at this level in McBurnie, Berge, Brewster, Bogle and Ramsdale which will come to the fore and they'll prove to be good signings give time, but we didn't have time and couldn't afford those first names to drop in form so dramatically certainly combined with the injuries we've faced.

Given all that, I don't think it's unreasonable if the board we wanted to revisit the transfer process Wilder had favoured.
If you're frustrated that your hands are tied, do you just look to change to process or just keep moaning that your hands are tied and change nothing?

yes good point he obviously felt british were easier to manage. this is season is an anomaly in so many ways, because with the crowd would we have been much different. because 1 of problems has been that we were at a high tempo last season & walking pace this season. then obviously we had a reduced budget because of the pandemic.

but with wilder reluctant to seek help, maybe because he was stubbon or he didnt have confidence in scouts. it was a collision course waiting to happen

 

[Balham]

Well he isn't actually is he?

We've now got 3 points, which may be after the fact but kind of proves this hindsight lark.
Wilder's points/game return wasn't spectacular and I'd guess Hecky is probably in front now, which shows what a daft metric is it for comparison.
It also totally ignores the fact that we didn't sack him and he wanted to go.

Heckingbottom has 3 points from 5 games (if we're being uncharitable and including the Leicester game). That is slightly better than Wilder's 14 points from 28 games - in the same way that getting kicked in the bollocks four times is slightly better than getting kicked in the bollocks five times.

Stating the obvious a bit but obviously he's right

Given that the whole piece is reliant on a misguided opinion that we sacked Wilder it's pretty difficult for anything Merson says in the clip to be correct. I'll ask him next time I see him in our local.

 

[Bashamed]

Given that the whole piece is reliant on a misguided opinion that we sacked Wilder it's pretty difficult for anything Merson says in the clip to be correct. I'll ask him next time I see him in our local.

Or maybe Mersin understands football better than a few on here and thinks we've got it so wrong allowing it to get to the point where Wilder wants to resign. Anyway boring talking if he resigned or was sacked he's gone and we should have not allowed that to happen imo

 

[Badger Blade]

Or maybe Mersin understands football better than a few on here and thinks we've got it so wrong allowing it to get to the point where Wilder wants to resign. Anyway boring talking if he resigned or was sacked he's gone and we should have not allowed that to happen imo

I think that's a good point where people don't resign if the job is going well and they're enjoying doing it, they'll do it because of a variety of factors unless you get to people like Clough/Fergie/Wenger who were there forever and decided the time was right to step down.

Reasons people walk away are the same in football as they are in any other job in terms of things like disagreeing with the future direction (or lack thereof), structure, micromanagement, long term prospects, money, colleagues etc etc. HR departments are constantly trying to find ways to retain people because on-boarding is a pain in the arse, the same as recruiting a new manager is to a football club which is why it's hard for someone like Wilder who was recruited by one regime then has to adapt to a new way of doing things and if it's so far out of your comfort zone that you don't feel you can adapt to it, then he was probably right to go.

Obviously what we don't want is a Watford "fall in line or fuck off" scenario because there needs to be some give and take from both sides where in the medium term at least there needs to be some continuity if we're going to be successful.

Everybody leaves or retires eventually and Wilder and the people he answered to at Sheffield United will both know in hindsight once this disaster of a season is over that there are things that could have been done differently. No car park statue for Chris unfortunately but time moves on

 

[Carlton Blade]

Or maybe Mersin understands football better than a few on here and thinks we've got it so wrong allowing it to get to the point where Wilder wants to resign. Anyway boring talking if he resigned or was sacked he's gone and we should have not allowed that to happen imo

How many attempts to resign is too many though?

 

[BushBlade]

How many attempts to resign is too many though?

One. It should have been resolved after the first time, one way or the other. Either PA agreed to what Wilder wanted and that’s that, or he tells him then how the direction of the club is going and Wilder either gets on board or fucks off.
If, as PA has said, Wilder offered his resignation before the JTW, then why talk him out of it, then turn round and say he’s not going to allow him to bring players in during that window. Obviously, that’s just going to piss him off again. And if you don’t trust a manager to sign players, why is he still at the club? If that’s how PA felt, he should have accepted the resignation and got someone else in, while there was still a chance the season could be saved.

 

[Hblockblade]

Wilder made his own exit don't be fooled

 

[Swinton Blade]

Merson did go into management.

I wasn't having a dig at Merson just pundits in general who don't offer their so called expertise on the training field.

I respect the pundits who had a go and for one reason or another it didn't work out but not Carragher, Ferdinand and Owen etc.

 

[BushBlade]

I wasn't having a dig at Merson just pundits in general who don't offer their so called expertise on the training field.

I respect the pundits who had a go and for one reason or another it didn't work out but not Carragher, Ferdinand and Owen etc.

But not every footballer makes a good coach. Why would you go into coaching if you felt you’d be crap at it? Don’t get me wrong, I prefer pundits who’ve done coaching as their analysis is often better, but I can understand that not all players think they can do it well. I’ve got more respect for those who just say “it’s not for me” than those who get into coaching roles because of who they were and then don’t do a particularly good job, especially when it’s youth coaching and it’s the kids’ futures.

On a more general point, the game has changed so much I’m not convinced the older pundits have got much to offer. I listen to Souness, top player, very experienced manager and he talks a lot of fanny most of the time.

 

[stan100]

All say Terrible decision in getting rid of Chris Wilder the best man to get promotion

So they haven't listened to the 30-minute interview with the prince where he states Wilder tried to quit twice and a third time the prince lost confidence in Wilder, so the only thing the prince could do was to sack Wilder.