Wilder Statement

[Carlton Blade]

Cheese is cheese

I'm sure there's a really deep and meaningful point to that but it's gone over my head

 

[Nine Inch Nalis]

Can't please everyone unfortunately, I thought the statement was good and well prepared.

Whats the point of a public back and forth between club and wilder.

Exactly, it's the sort of statement I'd expect.

You summarise your time there, you thank the key figures involved and pay tribute to the fans. That's all any statement needs to contain.

 

[N20 Blade]

I’ve read the statement a few times my opinion for what its worth is that it’s a lovely written piece thanking a lot of people to bring them back onside to thank him for what he has quite rightly done which is a fantastically brilliant job but ultimately to negate the bad feeling left towards him after PA had his sky interview, it’s politics in my eyes as which managers send out love letters when they leave a club? Dave Bassett, Warnock I don’t believe did.

It was a different world in 1995, when Bassett left, no need for generic soundbite statements, front page news for 24hrs then forgotten instantly, just as Wilder's ghost written words will be very soon. Despite a glorious period in charge, the Bassett era was pretty frightful towards the end, fighting in the away end at Southend and the drabbest of 0-0 matches v Reading spring to mind. The latter was particularly depressing, as there were only three sides to the ground and the remainder about one third full. If Bassett had been judged on the health of the club when he left, then he would have been considered a failure. However, the years pass and perspective improves, so most fans forget the final awful few months and concentrate on the two wonderful promotions and four consecutive seasons in the top flight. Quite rightly. I expect the same will happen with Wilder (statement or no statement). The anomaly is Warnock, he provided some great times and memories but his reign is tainted somewhat by his own personality.

 

[Bladeulike]

So you wanted a provocative statement I assume? And what would that entail? Wilder lashing out at the ownership and slagging everybody off?
What would the reaction be then? He'd be criticised for being bitter and resentful and shit-stirring.

No statement at all and people would be saying "Oh he doesn't give a fuck now he's got his nice big pay off".

Or we just have the statement that he actually made, which many don't think is "spicy" enough for their tastes.

There's no possible thing he could do without getting a negative reaction from some. Then again, for some, the negative reaction is the whole point.

No I didn’t say that I wanted a provocative statement. Why would you say that? The problem with this whole debate is that people are so anxious to take up and push others into extreme binary positions and cliques that are easier to attack. It’s a bit ironic that you seem to have such a low tolerance threshold of alternative views that it is you who writes such provocative and inaccurate posts.

I didn’t say that I wanted CW to say something provocative I simply said that I didn’t think it was a particularly ‘classy’ statement and that it was a carefully worded so that it avoided what possibly may have been in an NDA. I actually said that I understood why he would do that. What I was picking up on was your wording that PA’s interview was a ‘character assassination’ which I think is very overstated. There’s a long way on the continuum between provocative and bland. I happen to think that PA’s statement hit a balance that was straight without being provocative (to me) and that CW’s was more towards the bland end of things. You may not agree. You can put as many words into my mouth as you wish but they still remain your words, not mine

 

[Nine Inch Nalis]

No I didn’t say that I wanted a provocative statement. Why would you say that?

Because you criticised his statement for being the opposite, it's hardly an unreasonable assumption.

I simply said that I didn’t think it was a particularly ‘classy’ statement and that it was a carefully worded so that it avoided what possibly may have been in an NDA. I actually said that I understood why he would do that.

So what would have pushed his statement from bland to classy in your view?

What I was picking up on was your wording that PA’s interview was a ‘character assassination’ which I think is very overstated

I've never once said PA's interview was a character assassination, in fact I think he's conducted himself very well throughout. Don't mistake my defence of Chris Wilder for antipathy toward the ownership, I'm not in any faction.

You can put as many words into my mouth as you wish but they still remain your word, not mine

Similar to my first point, I'm literally quoting your own words and attempting to deduce what you mean.

 

[Nosworthys Throw]

That remains to be seen. Deano got a quite different reception the first time he played there after his first spell....

He stuck the fucking rods up at me at Elland Road! Still stings to this day.

All i was doing was screaming JUDAS FUCKING CUNT! JUDAS! JUDAS! JUDAS! at him for 45 minutes

 

[Bladeulike]

Because you criticised his statement for being the opposite, it's hardly an unreasonable assumption.

So what would have pushed his statement from bland to classy in your view?

I've never once said PA's interview was a character assassination, in fact I think he's conducted himself very well throughout. Don't mistake my defence of Chris Wilder for antipathy toward the ownership, I'm not in any faction.


Similar to my first point, I'm literally quoting your own words and attempting to deduce what you mean.

Because you disagree with one point of view doesn’t mean you automatically take up the polar opposite position so your assumption is incorrect - you inserted the word ‘provocative’

‘Classy’ (note the quote marks) was never my word. I was picking up on a theme throughout the thread that it was a ‘classy’ statement. I don’t need it to be classy because I don’t even know what that would mean in this context. I just thought it was a misused adjective throughout was my point

No you didn’t use the term ‘character assassination’ so I apologise for that. It was a phrase used by the previous poster and was part of the same thread that I was originally replying to

what I meant was that you made many incorrect assumptions and insinuations about my post that whatever CW did would be criticised by me. You said that I wanted his statement to be ‘provocative’ and then further went on to say that, if it was, I would then have a go at him for shit stirring. This was all completely ridiculous and based on your assumptions and speculations not mine. I honestly don’t mind that we disagree but I do mind when you inaccurately restate my position and motivations and insert words I never used

Anyway I am sure you are as bored with this as I am. Please do have the last word and then let’s leave it.

 

[Nine Inch Nalis]

You said that I wanted his statement to be ‘provocative’ and then further went on to say that, if it was, I would then have a go at him for shit stirring. This was all completely ridiculous and based on your assumptions and speculations not mine. I honestly don’t mind that we disagree but I do mind when you inaccurately restate my position and motivations and insert words I never used

Not trying to get a 'last word' in, but just to clarify, I was referring to the fans in general, not you individually.

 

[petcharlie]

Thank you Chris, for all that you gave us, and all you gave back to us.
Please don't read this site, it's not reflective of how many of us feel. If we'd been able to be there, you'd see how many of us appreciate you. I'm only sorry that we weren't.

Ignore the fucking pondlife who've spread unsubstantiated bollocks about you since your departure. They're vermin, worse than any Wednesdayite, and if I had the choice between saving one of them who were on fire and making myself a sandwich, the only difficult choice would be between cheese and pickle or beef and mustard.

One of Our Own, Forever ❤⚔

Well said mate , Showing utter class as usual ,pity some do not have that quality on here or on the board.

 

[BushBlade]

If PA had produced a similar, smoothing ‘thank you’ statement about CW such as the one CW has just put out, wouldn’t a lot of people on here be calling him out for ducking the issue and not being straight with fans?

I think whatever people in the public eye do, someone will find a reason to criticise them but I posted at the time that I’d have preferred a statement like that. For me, he’d have appeared a bigger man by doing so. All he really had to say was that it wasn’t working and that all parties agreed it was time for a change.
Just my opinion though.

 

[metalblade]

Did you not see the polls where over 90% including me wanted him to stay for next season ?

That doesn't fit with the pro Wilder rhetoric

 

[N20 Blade]

That remains to be seen. Deano got a quite different reception the first time he played there after his first spell....

He had the last laugh though, he scored and ran the whole length of the pitch celebrating. I was in the West Terrace on JS and that really hurt. Seeing Wilder as an opposition manager, celebrating goals, victory and walking over to the Bramall Lane end to applaud his new fans, well that will hurt like hell too. I won't boo but I'll die a bit inside just as I did with Deano in 94.

 

[Pedro Verde]

Only wind up merchants I see are the ones who cant move on and continue bleating about Wilder, then start insulting anyone who takes umbrage with them.

 

[Bert]

He had the last laugh though, he scored and ran the whole length of the pitch celebrating. I was in the West Terrace on JS and that really hurt. Seeing Wilder as an opposition manager, celebrating goals, victory and walking over to the Bramall Lane end to applaud his new fans, well that will hurt like hell too. I won't boo but I'll die a bit inside just as I did with Deano in 94.

Saint Billy also has a big celebration when he scored for Doncaster against us.

 

[Torrix1889]

Well for one thing the revisionism has come from those who now slag wilder off constantly not those who continue to be appreciative of him. So the truth is the opposite of what you state.

Not how I see it....I am hugely appreciative of the work CW did for 4 years but the last 12 months have been dreadful and littered with unfathomable decisions culminating in his departure from the club with his tail between his legs......is the last 12 months of his tenure to be glossed over now and uncapable of being criticized because a) he had 4 great years and b) he got some flunky at the LMA to draft a fluffy email...?

 

[cahill]

Unitedites booed Currie when he returned for Leeds.

They did. I remember him looking up at the Kop, arms wide as if to ask why. A bit naive really, Leeds were our Yorkshire rivals at the time, Pigs were lower league. Never underestimate the tribal nature of English football

 

[David Frain's weak tackle]

Grow up

 

[David Frain's weak tackle]

Not how I see it....I am hugely appreciative of the work CW did for 4 years but the last 12 months have been dreadful and littered with unfathomable decisions culminating in his departure from the club with his tail between his legs......is the last 12 months of his tenure to be glossed over now and uncapable of being criticized because a) he had 4 great years and b) he got some flunky at the LMA to draft a fluffy email...?

Unfortunately for some you cannot state facts when it comes to Wilder, if you do then apparently you're a pig. If they found him in bed with their missus they'd tuck him in.

 

[N20 Blade]

Saint Billy also has a big celebration when he scored for Doncaster against us.

Given the way he was treated, I was with him on that one...

 

[Pedro Verde]

Grow up

 

[David Frain's weak tackle]

Be careful, some crayons are toxic

 

[west_yorks_blade]

Be careful, some crayons are toxic

are you only allowed to troll until 8pm again today or did you manage to agree a late bed time?

 

[David Frain's weak tackle]

are you only allowed to troll until 8pm again today or did you manage to agree a late bed time?

Fcks sake he pipes up again when one of his 'mates' start slinging abuse for no reason You're either a stalker or a multi-account weirdo. Either way get a life man.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

In all seriousness, I did miss the press conferences where he slagged off the owners.
Could you provide a summary of which ones they were and what he said or even just list a few so I can go and take a look.

Yeah, I really have nothing better to do than provide you with a summary. Actually, the comments fitted in well with his pre-match “we can’t be expected to go toe to toe with any other team in the PL” comments, which ignored the fact that he spent more money that most of them.

 

[west_yorks_blade]

Yeah, I really have nothing better to do than provide you with a summary. Actually, the comments fitted in well with his pre-match “we can’t be expected to go toe to toe with any other team in the PL” comments, which ignored the fact that he spent more money that most of them.

Yeah ok. Thought so.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

Yeah ok. Thought so.

2nd worst team in PL history. Negative, boring, pedestrian, losing football. Weekly humiliation on national tv. Lumbered with a lower half Championship level squad. Wilder walked out because he could not turn things around. Time to move on. Or maybe you could just go and support whichever club Wilder takes over.

 

[ZLB]

Fcks sake he pipes up again when one of his 'mates' start slinging abuse for no reason You're either a stalker or a multi-account weirdo. Either way get a life man.

Another .
Enjoy League One me owd cock.

 

[west_yorks_blade]

2nd worst team in PL history. Negative, boring, pedestrian, losing football. Weekly humiliation on national tv. Lumbered with a lower half Championship level squad. Wilder walked out because he could not turn things around. Time to move on. Or maybe you could just go and support whichever club Wilder takes over.

Ok .
Don’t hesitate to get back with any examples of the constant slagging of of the board.

 

[David Frain's weak tackle]

Another .
Enjoy League One me owd cock.

Another forum weirdo! Explain why I am a so called pig. Go on sausage, troll through my posts and give me some evidence. There's a good lad. I suggest the ones giving abuse for no reason are the pigs, trying to stir shite up. I also suggest the mods do their jobs and sort out said forum weirdo's. Or you could PM me and have a debate in private and stop trying to show off in front of the other forum weirdo's. Your shout.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Fuck me this is going in circles... I don’t know where I’ve said Wilder never complained and moaned whilst he was employed. They parted company, thus should be the end of any squabble. The Prince tried carrying it on publicly. Wilder hasn’t. Simples.

bartman, point him in the direction of a certain Mr Wit of twatter fame