So...we are going down

[Torrix1889]

so how do we get back up?

Forest supporting friend of mine said yesterday, get it wrong the first time and expect 3 seasons at that level......

first things first:

do we keep Adams?
which of the current squad is staying
who do you want rid of
who do you want in

 

[iggle-theblade]

sounds about right if you get it wrong like wednesday have it will me a nightmare.

Adams out and clear everything else that isn't worth a shirt see what we are left with let Pembo take over bring in the kids and get a few expierenced players to mix them with and start a fresh

 

[Yossarian]

It's a sad and sorry state of affairs, but this evening my answer to every question you've posed is "I couldn't give a fuck".

Maybe Monday will be different.

 

[Pragmatic Blade]

Look at Norwich City. Quickly realised that Bryan Gunn wasn't the answer. Appointed a top-drawer manager in Lambert. Built a team around permanent signings plus a few who had fell out of favour elsewhere and bingo....going up to the Premiership! They did it right. Good luck to them.

 

[iggle-theblade]

you could say we did that with Blackwell but it backfired

some would say if Blackwell was still here we wouldn't have been in this mess but
i think the rot had set in after losing the play off final to Burnley

 

[Pragmatic Blade]

There has been many mistakes over a period of time. Do I blame Kevin Blackwell? Probably not for getting us relegated. Rather than think about the multitude of people who are to blame for our demise, best we consider how we get ourselves out of it. Easier said than done as I like all Blades are completely fed up (to put it mildly)

 

[alcoblade]

Look at Norwich City. Quickly realised that Bryan Gunn wasn't the answer. Appointed a top-drawer manager in Lambert. Built a team around permanent signings plus a few who had fell out of favour elsewhere and bingo....going up to the Premiership! They did it right. Good luck to them.

It's very easy to look back and single out Lambert. It's extremely difficult to identify the next Lambert in advance. It's the failure to recognise the difference that dismantles most football fans' arguments. It's also the failure to recognise this that will forever perpetuate most football fans belief that they are right.

UTB

 

[Bladesman]

We were down when the transfer window closed.

 

[Pragmatic Blade]

Alco - I agree. Hindsight is easy.

Many years ago, I dare say that many of us would've decided to abandon Bassett, but he turned out to be one of the best managers of the Blades in years. I do not have the answer, and I doubt many fans do, but I have seen enough from Adams to make me think that he is not necessarily the right man to lead us next year. THat is the parallel with Norwich - we need to consider whether we stick with Micky or we bring in a new gaffer. Roberto di Matteo would do for me!

 

[Rustyblade]

We won't stand an earthly until we actually try and get ahead of the game with a bit of forward thinking.

As long as we keep looking backwards with our choices of manager, we will get nowhere.

The old school managers who are able to adapt to the modern game are the exceptions now and all in the Premier League with the possible exception of our Neil who might be there next year. The others are all on the managerial merry-go-round getting jobs which their track records would disqualify them from in any other form of enterprise. All ours from Warnock on have been in the latter category with the exception of Speed.

We have to take a punt on new talent from somewhere. Much easier said than done however, although Brighton seem to have pulled it off.

But.....you look backwards and that's the direction you end up going.

 

[dingledog]

McCabe go, f--k off and take birch and all the other brown envelope tossers with you.

 

[Houso]

If no one else goes for him, SoD please.... like we should have done a few months ago.

I still think he'd take the job as SUFC in League 1 still has more potential than Donny in the Championship.

In answer to your questions:

Adams - get rid (although I think he'd do okay in League 1, I think we need to start thinking long term and a change in culture at the club)

Current squad - a few will stay, but sadly it'll probably be the ones who we don't particularly want to. I can't see who would pay money for Collins now, and I'd be surprised if anyone wants Doyle. That said, Morgs won't go anywhere assuming he gets fit again, I personally think Quinny will still be around too. The thing is, for all we slag many of our players off, we don't know who will perform in the league below. Even Collins and Doyle were integral parts of the Leeds promotion squad.

I'd love to see a focus on youth. Our youngsters have done well in the third tier in previous seasons when out on loan, and our current crop has some gems. So, players like Maguire, Slew, McAllister, Tonne etc have to be considered for the first team squad next season.

 

[beechblade]

I wouldn't get rid of Adams but if he walks I won't cry over it. If he stays, then we need to see the board preparing to back him more in the permanent signings department, funds need to be spent, but we have to look at using our own hungry young players and the players in the development squad, we also need to start and give these players more pitch time now, not the last five minutes. Otherwise we will keep hearing 'their not ready yet' now I don't mean rush them into the start of the game but at least give them a good 20 minutes to see if they can forge a foothold in the game and get into their own game routine.

 

[Vistoma]

Just my opinion but I think we need a massive clear out (most will go of their own accord) and then start with an experienced back bone and play the youngsters around it. The fact is we won't be able to attract rafts of quality to that division. So if we can hold onto Simmonsen, Morgan and yes Monty and then look to older nearing retirement guys who could steady the ship, (anyone remember the 4th division?) The likes of Cureton have done well in that division and others could do the same Kevin Phillips for instance? I don't mean taking anyone in a desperate gamble that's why we are where we are.

 

[Houso]

I wouldn't get rid of Adams but if he walks I won't cry over it. If he stays, then we need to see the board preparing to back him more in the permanent signings department, funds need to be spent, but we have to look at using our own hungry young players and the players in the development squad, we also need to start and give these players more pitch time now, not the last five minutes. Otherwise we will keep hearing 'their not ready yet' now I don't mean rush them into the start of the game but at least give them a good 20 minutes to see if they can forge a foothold in the game and get into their own game routine.

I know this is a glib response, but when given a bit of cash and leeway to bnring in permanent players, he brought in Collins and Doyle. Why would it be advisable to bring in more permanent players?

 

[Gingerblade]

The constant change of manager will not sort our problems, most on hear want change all the time, and are never happy. Thats not to say you should be happy with the current situation, but surely a bit of stability is whats needed, at least until christmas, if not longer.

 

[Kenilworth]

We won't stand an earthly until we actually try and get ahead of the game with a bit of forward thinking.

As long as we keep looking backwards with our choices of manager, we will get nowhere.

The old school managers who are able to adapt to the modern game are the exceptions now and all in the Premier League with the possible exception of our Neil who might be there next year. The others are all on the managerial merry-go-round getting jobs which their track records would disqualify them from in any other form of enterprise. All ours from Warnock on have been in the latter category with the exception of Speed.

We have to take a punt on new talent from somewhere. Much easier said than done however, although Brighton seem to have pulled it off.

But.....you look backwards and that's the direction you end up going.

What a load of crap. What and who are "Old School?" Compared to what else?
Football has not changed that much. Are you telling me that Norwich play a completely different way today than they did when they were in the top flight? They get the ball down, switch to the wings, get crosses in and look to hit the target. When defending they stay as a unit and keep it tight at the back. There is no epiphany nor any bright rocket science to it. Do the simple things well and professionally and employ good players who can make a difference. You don't have to be a professor to do it. By your argument Ian Holloway should never have had a sniff at Blackpool and look what he has done there. Even if they get relegated it's still a fairy tale success.

Our issue is explained by over investment in the Robson debacle, chasing the money by selling off the best players and the best youth, replacing them all with third rate players and hey presto bottom of Championship. Speed was useless - watch Wales not win another game under him unless they play San Marino or the Faroes (probably lose to them as well). He will be sacked soon enough unless he changes his tactics beacuse his style of play is negative and slow.

We are shit because we have fourth rate defenders that keep making howlers and costing us the game before we have even started. FFS at Scunny when we were 2-0 up the defence pushed the self destruct button.

The only bright spark from this whole season would be never to see Nos in the red and white ever again.

 

[Rustyblade]

Graham Turner
Peter Reid
Nigel Pearson
Paul Sturrock
Tony Mowbray
Mickey Adams
Phil Brown
Paul Jewell
Bryan Robson
Gary Megson
Paul Hart

Okay, so it's not ALL down to the manager but we do always seem to go fishing in the pool containing managers like the above, who flit from club to club and maybe have the occasional success but never quite make it long term.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

I know this is a glib response, but when given a bit of cash and leeway to bnring in permanent players, he brought in Collins and Doyle. Why would it be advisable to bring in more permanent players?

Yes but its about the funds that are available. I suspect Adams wanted to freshen things up but there was only money available to bring those two chumps in (admittedly one of them is one of his chums). I can't how things would have been any worse if he had said "Fuck it!" and kept what we had and played some of the kids/development players instead, but hindsight is wonderful.

 

[Houso]

Yes but its about the funds that are available. I suspect Adams wanted to freshen things up but there was only money available to bring those two chumps in (admittedly one of them is one of his chums). I can't how things would have been any worse if he had said "Fuck it!" and kept what we had and played some of the kids/development players instead, but hindsight is wonderful.

And it's fair enough saying it depends on the funds available, but when he brought both players and one of them will have cost around 400k, you've got to wonder about his judgement. Especially when said player replaced a much better option in Kyle Bartley.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

we paid 400k for collins?

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

And it's fair enough saying it depends on the funds available, but when he brought both players and one of them will have cost around 400k, you've got to wonder about his judgement. Especially when said player replaced a much better option in Kyle Bartley.

I'm not sure what the situation regarding Bartley was (did he want to leave or was he told he could leave?), but what other options were around for 400k? Personally I wouldn't have brought in two players who couldn't get a game for their clubs, but its easy saying that when it isn't me actually making the decision. If Adams goes who is going to come in and improve things when any manager is going to have his balls in a vice due to Maccy C's indifference?

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we paid 400k for collins?

My thoughts exactly!

 

[Houso]

we paid 400k for collins?

It's how much Leeds paid for him at the start of the season, so I don't they'd take much less a handful of months later.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

It's how much Leeds paid for him at the start of the season, so I don't they'd take much less a handful of months later.

The defending yesterday for the 1st was a joke. I don't blame collins so much as it was a difficult header, but Nosworthy probably should have stayed back a bit as it was his man that was able to play the killer ball into the box.

 

[beechblade]

I know this is a glib response, but when given a bit of cash and leeway to bnring in permanent players, he brought in Collins and Doyle. Why would it be advisable to bring in more permanent players?

I meant in relation to loan signings, we can't have another season of try to have a patched work side. As for Collins and Doyle, yeah fair point, but we don't know, who we may have approached, were they his first choices, was he confined to a budget, and loads of other ifs and buts, two signings in the middle of the season shouldn't be the mark of what he could do, how many shit signings do other managers make?

 

[Yossarian]

how many shit signings do other managers make?

This.

How much shit did Warnock sign?

 

[Houso]

But Warnock didn't take us down with those shit signings.

 

[ghandi]

But Warnock didn't take us down with those shit signings.

Of course he didn't and we are still in the Prem and looking forward to a push in the Europa League next year

 

[Highbury_Blade]

But Warnock didn't take us down with those shit signings.

EH?????????

 

[SteelCity Blade]

But Warnock didn't take us down with those shit signings.