Video on sky sports football app - our owner talking about Wilder's departure

[Houso]

One thing from all that is irrefutable; the way that Wilder would slag off the squad as not good enough while rarely (if ever) taking the blame on his own shoulders.

I remain a massive fan and wish he'd never left, but it the bloke was far from infallible.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

of course i have. but doesnt change what we know

i didnt even start on the fact that the princes want wilder to stop telling the truth. "stop saying we have championship players" why we have championship players

What do we know?

I think we all feel we have Championship players, however in the interview the Prince says why he had an issue with that comment publicly.
These were also the players Wilder identified and wanted, while according to the Prince (which can obviously be disputed) the board was highlighting alternates who are playing in the EPL and Germay. They would certainly not be Championship players, so why didn't Chris want them?.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

of course i have. but doesnt change what we know

i didnt even start on the fact that the princes want wilder to stop telling the truth. "stop saying we have championship players" why we have championship players

this side finished 9th last season...

 

[1987]

Steve mate, the Prince has come out and given his side of the story. He always speaks well and I don't really know what else you thought PA would say.

Youre mistaking it for the facts of the matter, which would be a bit daft based on the story of one side. Really daft even.

 

[Harry's Game]

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Well that’s to be expected, at least it makes a change from wit liking and retweeting posts from far right nut jobs.

 

[Bashamed]

If I resigned from my job tomorrow and demanded a pay off my firm would laugh me out of the door and then probably request I spend a bit of time in a padded room

You don't work as a manager of a Premier league football club though I'm guessing. So it's quite different

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

There's been a long-standing propensity among this fanbase to turn like rattlesnakes on those who have served the club well. They turned on Dave Bassett when his hands were tied due to the club being a trainwreck at the time.

Then Warnock - who I actually can't stand - had a valid point when he said they'd be chanting his name one week and wanting him out the next during his tenure. He also said that being from Sheffield actually made his job harder, due to the attitude of the support. Again, I don't like Warnock one bit, but he was right.

Even down to Billy Sharp, who for some reason unbeknown to me gets a lukewarm reception at best and always has done from the fans (particularly on the forums) whereas anywhere else he'd be idolised.

And now to Wilder, who many were lining up to take a kick at virtually minutes after his departure.

There's something at the heart of the culture of Sheffield United that is dark, ugly and resentful, and even as both a lifelong native of this city and lifelong supporter of the club, I do not understand it. All I know is that I've come to hate it.

I love the club with every fibre of my being, but there's a significant number of those attached to it that throw that "We're all Blades" notion right out the window for me.

Cheers for the reply, and can't argue if that's your take. I'll just have to come to terms with your way with words.

 

[HackeyBlade]

You don't work as a manager of a Premier league football club though I'm guessing. So it's quite different

Not it's not, resignation is resignation, not redundancy or termination of contract

 

[sufc323]

So this is what it sounds like when doves cry.

 

[robbiez666]

My biggest take-away from this is the fact that it could have been prevented by a working fax, yet again. Letters. Lol.

Anyhow,

I think any reasonable person will look at what has been said by Chris and look at what has been said by PA and realise that the truth is somewhere in-between. The omissions are often the most interesting points, the Prince not really addressing the training ground directly other than to bluster, for example.

The more we learn, the more it feels like an old-school manager coming head to head with a progressive chairman. Two different ideologies, ways of doing business and perspectives on football.

What the club doesn't need is a back and forward of blame. Doesn't help anyone. This is much more information than I expected to hear tbqf.

The commentary on here about the pay-off is bizarre. If you resign, you work your notice and get no pay-off. If you're sacked you're entitled to be paid your notice and potentially receive a pay-off (unless it's a major disciplinary issue). It's how capitalism works.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Well that’s to be expected, at least it makes a change from wit liking and retweeting posts from far right nut jobs.

We can all unfollow him now there's nothing blades related

 

[SB_90]

You have taken that quote out of context from what was actually said

how have i taken that out of context, " he said that i talked to wilder & i said can you stop saying we have championship players, it damages the united world brand"

what next please dont say we are bottom of the premier league it damages the united world brand , say we are 20th best

 

[Bashamed]

Not it's not, resignation is resignation, not redundancy or termination of contract

I think things work slightly differently in football. If I got sacked tomorrow I wouldn't expect to be paid the rest of my contract.

 

[Danny_Blade]

Ye also an amount is usually agreed when a manager leaves for whatever reason. Think after where he's taken us he deserved it

I would agree with that if SUFC were a bigger/wealthier club in general but we aren't and never have been.

Sheffield United aren't a club that can afford a £4 mill pay off just for a manager that wasn't even sacked but resigned. We just aren't rich enough to be sentimental (CW has his own quote for sentimentality BTW).

Granted he's left us as a much richer club but like another poster said further up, he was repeatedly rewarded for everything he achieved with improved contracts about 2/3/4 times.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

At least Wilders now been linked with a job where the ownership is in really good hands and they have a great relationship with the fans.....NEWCASTLE

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

Throughout the winter CW supporters were highlighting Dyche & Farke as the reasons why we shouldnt sack CW. they didnt bail out - it takes loyalty 2 ways for Burnley & Norwich's return to EPL status to happen. They stood there on relegation day, and patted every player on the back as they trudged off the field, knowing they had took the team down. CW hoped to be sitting on £4m when that fateful day comes our way.

We currently sit bottom of the biggest league with a global audience, PA making a statement on our club channel would have got to fans, but not the world - PA has by many been castigated as the villain, moving out the much loved CW because he wouldnt dance to PA's tune

Well now we know, and so does the wider football community that CW has been angling for this for months, all the barbed comments, all designed to make the board sack him, and give him the payoff he wanted.

Agree it time to move on now, glad we got the truth out.

Interesting to see the reception CW gets when he next appears in the dugout at BDTBL!!

He behaved like a spoilt manchild who hadn't got his way for the last 3-6 months.

I didn't mind that he appeared to lose his edge because I imagine that Management can be a lonely place and in the end you're all alone with the ramifications. The right thing would've been to share how he truly felt and stuck his notice in, but forfeiting that amount of money with a resignation vs. getting a sacking payoff was clearly too much to wilfully give up on. So he created a game of 'sack me if you dare' which sounds like he ended up losing.

With the benefit of hindsight, we all saw how Warnock was money first/affinity second. The way he used the media to leverage contract negotiations (e.g. Portsmouth job & week before Wigan game) means he tainted his own legacy a bit, but it doesn't take away all the success we had with him.

I feel pretty much the same about Wilder* as I do about Warnock.

*Except Wilder wasn't as much of a bent b*****d

 

[Barney]

Feel like pure shit just wish Prince didnt do this interview

 

[sufc323]

I think the main thing from this is what the Prince says about next season, what if we did have a poor start? Would he have walked then and then it's another season we have to salvage?

Now that the dust has settled maybe it was better for a fresh start, we've got a squad not getting any younger and it's often being difficult finding replacement players that work in Wilders system, hence why we've still got the nearly the same starting XI as when we went up.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

He behaved like a spoilt manchild who hadn't got his way for the last 3-6 months.

I didn't mind that he appeared to lose his edge because I imagine that Management can be a lonely place and in the end you're all alone with the ramifications. The right thing would've been to share how he truly felt and stuck his notice in, but forfeiting that amount of money with a resignation vs. getting a sacking payoff was clearly too much to wilfully give up on. So he created a game of 'sack me if you dare' which sounds like he ended up losing.

With the benefit of hindsight, we all saw how Warnock was money first/affinity second. The way he used the media to leverage contract negotiations (e.g. Portsmouth job & week before Wigan game) means he tainted his own legacy a bit, but it doesn't take away all the success we had with him.

I feel pretty much the same about Wilder* as I do about Warnock.

*Except Wilder wasn't as much of a bent b*****d

Burnley have had ownership issues for the past few years, even their new owners sound dodgy. I've never heard Dyche moan.

Also when they came up and defined the odds by staying up and becoming established I never heard him refer to his players as Championship players lucky to get any result at all

 

[1066blade]

He may have his dignity and not want a public mud slinging match, he may be licking his wounds or he may have a non-disclosure agreement.

BTW, have you stopped beating your wife?

I respect your views in your first sentence, - but I don't understand your second one?

 

[Nine Inch Nalis]

Cheers for the reply, and can't argue if that's your take. I'll just have to come to terms with your way with words.

I know I've gone in very heavy of late, but bitterness breeds bitterness. It's bad enough to have seen the club taken from the depths of obscurity to the cusp of something great and have it snatched away in the course of 12 months, I'm also having to contend with the sneering and baseless accusations against the man that took us on that journey.

It goes without saying that Chris Wilder isn't infallible, we've all seen the errors that have been made and despite how it may look, I don't have the blinkers on. But the eagerness with which some fans have to denigrate their own baffles and infuriates me in equal measure. Hence my reaction.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Have you not noticed how they absolutely slate Wilder? Really nasty and personal stuff questioning his motives, calling him greedy, jumping ship, not really a blade etc. Such odd behaviour from United fans. Seem to enjoy slating him as well it certainly isn't done with a sense of sadness it's turned out this way. Tbh they'll probably be exactly the same to Prince once he fucks up next season, it's probably just they enjoy chucking out their bullshit knowing it will annoy a few people. But it's still pretty sickening

While I find the nasty and personable stuff objectionable, ill advised, ignorant and just plain wrong, there was plenty being aimed at the Prince and Board.
You've continually alluded to the fact that the Prince will fuck it up and doesn't care, without any real reasoning aside from the fact you've taken a dislike to him because Wilder walked and how they've handed it. You claim we aren't going to get the next appointment right, the list is going to be terrible. It's almost like you want it to happen so you would be proven right.
I know you said you would have given CW direct control and everything he wanted, but if it was your money would you really have not wanted any more oversight given the last couple of transfer windows, the players he'd turned down who were outperforming yours, and the fact he's offered his resignation 3 times so there's a huge risk of it being wasted?

 

[Nelson1889]

If it is anything other than a 5 minute standing ovation, then I'm in in the Nine Inch Nalis camp.

Exactly this. If people are going to forget 4 great years (and 1 poor one) for the sake of a 30 second soundbite we really never deserved what Wilder gave us

 

[Bladey_blade]

Ye I just don't begrudge him in the slightest getting a big pay off. People making out like he's set for life anyway. He's worked in league 2 or below all his career until he came to us. League 1 and championship I very much doubt we were one of the highest paying clubs for a manager. Probably actually about bottom in the first years. He's given us 2 seasons in the Premier league with all the money that goes with it. More than entitled to try to get the pay off.

He’s entitled to the contract he’s signed, like anyone else in the club/employment world, he’s done the job he’s been paid to

Ye I just don't begrudge him in the slightest getting a big pay off. People making out like he's set for life anyway. He's worked in league 2 or below all his career until he came to us. League 1 and championship I very much doubt we were one of the highest paying clubs for a manager. Probably actually about bottom in the first years. He's given us 2 seasons in the Premier league with all the money that goes with it. More than entitled to try to get the pay off.

or he could have just not attempted to resign and honour the contract he’s signed

 

[Surrey Blade]

Are we really outraged he wanted a pay off? He got us £200m plus in Premier league tv money. Not sure why people begrudge him that.

Yes, frankly! He used to talk about treating the club's money as his own; he clearly took this literally. Sorry, but he has shown himself to be another greedy football employee sucking crazy money from the game. Deeply disappointing.

 

[bartman]

how have i taken that out of context, " he said that i talked to wilder & i said can you stop saying we have championship players, it damages the united world brand"

what next please dont say we are bottom of the premier league it damages the united world brand , say we are 20th best

Because in the same part of the interview, PA also said that they finished 9th. In effect PA was saying that CW didnt consider them as Championship players last season but did now. Also he gave him a budget to improve these players and he didnt play them. As I said, you took the quote out of context

 

[Rochdaleblade]

It seems to me that the things that the board were concerned about were the same issues that were getting brought up on here. I.e. Recruitment, inflexibility and motivation. If the story about wilder wanting to resign but receive a payoff is true, then I fully back the board's position. I can imagine if I went to my boss and said I wanted to leave but could you pay me for the next year anyway, it would be a very short conversation.
Wanting to resign also would be a worrying sign for next year. I am sad that wilder has gone as the last few years have been incredible but I feel that it was time to move on. It is similar to the break up of a long term relationship. You can reminisce about old times but rekindling them is not easy. For me it is no different to waving goodbye to Duffy, Coutts or Leon.
Obviously the next appointment will be crucial regarding whether wilder leaving will be a success. I was in favour of getting rid of Warnock, but replacing him with Robson was a horrendous decision.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

There's been a long-standing propensity among this fanbase to turn like rattlesnakes on those who have served the club well. They turned on Dave Bassett when his hands were tied due to the club being a trainwreck at the time.

Then Warnock - who I actually can't stand - had a valid point when he said they'd be chanting his name one week and wanting him out the next during his tenure. He also said that being from Sheffield actually made his job harder, due to the attitude of the support. Again, I don't like Warnock one bit, but he was right.

Even down to Billy Sharp, who for some reason unbeknown to me gets a lukewarm reception at best and always has done from the fans (particularly on the forums) whereas anywhere else he'd be idolised.

And now to Wilder, who many were lining up to take a kick at virtually minutes after his departure.

There's something at the heart of the culture of Sheffield United that is dark, ugly and resentful, and even as both a lifelong native of this city and lifelong supporter of the club, I do not understand it. All I know is that I've come to hate it.

I love the club with every fibre of my being, but there's a significant number of those attached to it that throw that "We're all Blades" notion right out the window for me.

I agree with this completely. We have to appreciate what Wilder has done, like Warnock.

I remember Brian Deane scoring against us (I think for Leeds but might have been Leicester). I'd not seen him in his prime with Agana as I was too young, however my dad said he was a club legend and I did see his return briefly before we shipped him to Benfica on that disastrous day, all I witnessed that day were Blades on to him when he scored and a bit of booing too. It's hardly like he was just going to not bother because he played for us in the past.

Obviously there was the Paddy Kenny incident too, when you listen to his interview on Under the cosh he didn't deserve that reaction at all.

 

[Rodley]

The commentary on here about the pay-off is bizarre. If you resign, you work your notice and get no pay-off. If you're sacked you're entitled to be paid your notice and potentially receive a pay-off (unless it's a major disciplinary issue). It's how capitalism works.

Aye

 

[SB_90]

There's been a long-standing propensity among this fanbase to turn like rattlesnakes on those who have served the club well. They turned on Dave Bassett when his hands were tied due to the club being a trainwreck at the time.

Then Warnock - who I actually can't stand - had a valid point when he said they'd be chanting his name one week and wanting him out the next during his tenure. He also said that being from Sheffield actually made his job harder, due to the attitude of the support. Again, I don't like Warnock one bit, but he was right.

Even down to Billy Sharp, who for some reason unbeknown to me gets a lukewarm reception at best and always has done from the fans (particularly on the forums) whereas anywhere else he'd be idolised.

And now to Wilder, who many were lining up to take a kick at virtually minutes after his departure.

There's something at the heart of the culture of Sheffield United that is dark, ugly and resentful, and even as both a lifelong native of this city and lifelong supporter of the club, I do not understand it. All I know is that I've come to hate it.

I love the club with every fibre of my being, but there's a significant number of those attached to it that throw that "We're all Blades" notion right out the window for me.

yes i was going to say this. but you said it better than i could.

dave bassett was before my time, but ive always been confused at why neil warnock is so hated by our fans, this is guy who took us from dying on our arse & under 10,000 crowds. to 30,000, 2 cup semi finals & promotion some of my greatest memories as a utd fan. but i can see this going the same way & in a few years wilder will be in same way as warnock, as a song released in the last 9 months goes "I can't make it go away, by making you a villain"