Whose fault is it?

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Who's fault is it?

  • Wilder

    Votes: 16 4.6%
  • The Board

    Votes: 44 12.6%
  • Both in equal measure

    Votes: 105 30.2%
  • Both but mostly Wilder

    Votes: 89 25.6%
  • Both but mostly the board

    Votes: 94 27.0%

  • Total voters
    348



It's not the main issue why he has walked and the recruitment is a factor of what he was allowed to bring in under the constraints he was working under.
He got fed up of those constraints and was not prepared to work miracles all over again.

Knowing you, as I do, I dare say, if you or I were in Wilder's position, then we would have the interests of the club at heart and would be wanting to build a legacy for Sheffield United. It's your club, it's my club, it's Wilder's club. It's not a possession - it's a duty of care.
Other than that, the alternative must be that Wilder is a fraud? Is that what you are saying to me?
That these last 4.5 years have been shit and the accolades he received are undeserved?

If you or I had been the one (like Wilder) to bring such amazing success from the depths of despair (Scunny at home and the parade of shame) to 9th in the PL in 4 years - and generated the level of income, purely from footballing success on the field of play, that he did, then you would be pretty pissed off if the owner was not thinking long term, like you were:
a) not investing in the infrastructure, as agreed (we have a League 1 level training facility and do not have a tier 1 academy, which clearly is a barrier to better recruitment)
The likes of Leeds do and both Manchester clubs are very near us - we have to compete in that environment.
b) seems more interested in purchasing other cubs to go into the portfolio of his Championship Manager game - rather than focus on the jewel he has in his hand.
The same mistake that McCabe made with his distraction into his Hungarian and Australian adventures.
c) uses SUFC cash to buy a player for a Belgian club, where the player has no chance of getting a work permit to play in the UK.
d) is unable, or unwilling to compete on wages to bring in the much needed difference in quality to build on what has already achieved.
e) forced to work with the hand that you have or to play in the markets that you can afford (we don't have the scouting infrastructure to do what other clubs do - we needed a stability to get more PL coin before we could invest in that) so you are non-competitive. You have to go for level 2 and 3 targets off your list and see if you can make them into Prem players via coaching (like refitting the battleship when you are at sea and on your way to war)
f) seeing that the owners sole plan was to bring in a DoF above you and take away the management decision making that got him in this amazing position in the first place.

Then you or I may feel exactly the same way.

Now people will go on about the moneh Wilder has spunked. The figure of £130m keeps getting mentioned.
Well - that's fees and not wages - and after 6 years in League 1 we were so far behind the curve that we have needed to catch up as quick as we can.
However, fees and not wages is the pond we are forced to play in. We have to pay a premium because we are (were) in the prem for the targets we can get. They are not the finished article because we cannot afford those. Fees are paid in instalments - it's not up front headline figures that go out the cash-flow. Fees can be recouped if you have to sell those players, so the instalments stop. Wages are committed revenue that you have to pay up if you sell that player. The outlay, to date, is no where near the £130m bandied about and when we go down it won't be the commitment going forward because players will be sold to balance that out.
Others, like Villa, have been able to construct packages with much higher wages to attract their number one targets - those targets being players of premiership quality that can hit the ground running (yes, I know they are still a shadow of the team without Grealish but we don't have a Grealish). The issue for us, with the funds the Prince has to call on compared to those the likes of Villa can harness, is that when you get relegated the wages have to decrease for you to survive (none of Newcastle's players have a relegation clause in their wage structure, for example). Hence, we are competing in a different pond.
Consequently, the list that Wilder would have put forward as his first choices are rejected / unobtainable. The leap in quality required remains unfunded.

Oh, but Wilder stated it was the best transfer window the club has ever had. Party line? Gritted teeth? The alternative is stating it was shit and we got the second choices - goes down great for player confidence.

If you come at this from a perspective of Wilder wanting to build a legacy and wanting to do it whilst we had the momentum to make it happen then you will understand.
If you come at it from the perspective that Wilder is a greedy bastard, a one trick pony, and has reached his limits then you will have a different opinion.

I never saw the reluctance to change the overall shape as an issue. He was correct - it gave us the only realistic opportunity of getting results.
At times, in games, where it made tactical sense, he did change formation and sometimes used a back 4, a front three, etc.
Going 442 against the quality of opposition we faced every week was, in his view, too risky. I respect that given his track record to date and the success his and Knill's tactics had brought.
The loss of key players trough injury meant that the system wasn't as effective this time around, as the balance was the key. JO'C absolutely critical to the system, as is a player of the stamina and speed of Basham. However, the system was still capable of ensuring we were still in the game - able to compete - and that was the system that differentiated us from all the others in previous seasons - A system lauded as technically innovative by Pep, Klopp, Morinhio, Bielsa etc. It was the system Wilder wanted to continue with and was prepared to ride out the storm with because he knew it would still deliver dividends if he could get players back and make the structure optimal, again. We have no Grealish, no Fernandes, no De Bruyne, no Son & Kane. We have to compete as well as we can to stay in the game to improve, over time.

Recruitment and transfers?
Pep never bought a pup?
Klopp never dropped a clanger?
Bielsa never dropped bollock? (not yet playing in the same pond)
When you are spending less the odds are more against a success than when you are competing at the highest level for the best in the World.

Injuries, COVID, shit VAR, no Bramall Lane crowd - all massive influences on the way the season has panned out.
Blaming Wilder means landing all of that on his plate. He can only control the controllable. Those factors are out of anyone's control.

Wilder brought us our club back - that sense of connection with the club was back, in spades. That was key because he gets it. That was totally at the heart of the success and at the centre of the ride we all went on. Now, because of shortsightedness and a lack of ambition and a lack of real financial clout to play with the big boys the owner has chucked all that away. The only financial clout the owner had was what Wilder generated for him (see Mike McCarty's tweet around the time of the court case PA had with McCabe for control). Indeed the assets of the club are being purchase off McCabe through the money Wilder generated for the club and not what the Prince has available. He'd have had no chance to buy anything off McCabe if Wilder hadn't won promotion to the PL.

Finally, if you think Wilder was making unreasonable demands then you will be quite happy to go back to the days of Weir and Adkins, where a great day out was always spoiled by the fucking dire football.
Mostly agree. The point I was making was that Wilder has made mistakes. For me the recruitment of players not seemingly good enough to replace the majority of the championship squad was a major one. The football we have witnessed this season has,for me, been just as bad as what we witnessed under Atkins just at a higher level.

None of us have any idea what demands Wilder had made ( reasonable or otherwise) and what the Board's response was. I have no doubt Wilder was thinking of the club first however, given his demeanor and the way the team were playing, did he really believe he could turn it round next season ? Ideally Wilder should have been given personal backing for next season and a reasonable budget. However, based on the recruitment of the last 12 months, I believe the Board has the right to question whether the money made available has been spent wisely.

Yes Wilder has generated money for the club and he has been paid very well for doing so. We have knownfor a while the Prince doesnt have the resources but the majority of fans believed it was important to detach McCabe from the club. Alarm bells rang for me when an agreement couldn't be made to buy the two ransom strips from McCabe. I dont thinking is short sightedness, just the failure to bring on board investors to take us to a higher level. The Prince iis solely to blame for that.

Something obviously happened Thursday as the team had already been picked for the Leicester game. Maybe both sides wouldnt compromise which made the position untenable ?

We all want what is best for the club. Wilder has gone now. I hope the next manager is given a chance by the fans but it will be a challenging job for whoever comes in.

You are right about controlling the controllable which is why I blame the board for not being able to attract investors and Wilder and his team for poor recruitment( I.e not recruiting effectively to replace the Championship squad with better players) and the style of football we have mainly had to endure since lockdown .

I hope you are all well

Ian
Cheers, Ian - all good thanks - apart from this situation.

listened to Roygbiv and Beans on the fabulous BladesPod, earlier and that made me feel all Marvin the Paranoid Android but then I saw a link to an interview with Nathan Hemingway - the Blades journo for the Yorkshire post and it’s a fascinating insight into the goings on over the last 12 months and really puts some context into it all.
 
Cheers, Ian - all good thanks - apart from this situation.

listened to Roygbiv and Beans on the fabulous BladesPod, earlier and that made me feel all Marvin the Paranoid Android but then I saw a link to an interview with Nathan Hemingway - the Blades journal for the Yorkshire post and it’s a fascinating insight into the goings on over the last 12 months and really puts some context into it all.


No surprise the players were a complete fucking mess in pre-season.
 
I feel the board would have preferred him to stay. I never criticised Wilder during his tenure but feel he may live to regret walking away.
 
First up, I think we dropped off massively from January last year, a few good performances aside post lockdown. For the most part we edged games then by the odd goal. Not a huge amount between us and the relegated Norwich or Bournemouth. Henderson saved us in both of those games if I remember rightly. It's hard to blame Wilder for this because we were so good in the first part of the season and continued to get results. But we could all see the squad was thin and could never be expected to continue to punch above its weight.
Secondly, as good as Wilder's recruitment was in the lower leagues - and I believe it was unbelievably good - his recruitment in the PL has been a joke. I love the man to bits but there is no other way of putting it. Even signings like Callum Robinson were wasteful. We massively overpaid for Oli Mac. He fell out with Duffy, didn't really replace him, thus forcing us to play with a flat midfield three. For a while it worked, partly because Lundstram overperformed. He has never strengthened the squad in midfield. Signed Freeman, let him go on loan, didn't replace him. Didn't replace Besic. Berge came in for big money and was a good signing I think, but he knew the ongoing Lundstram contract situation and didn't foresee needing another option. So as soon as injuries came, as with our back three, we could never cope. The likes of Jack Robinson weren't adequate cover. He never utilised his second loan before the start of the season. He persisted with Kean Bryan in the squad. KEAN BRYAN. Don't get me wrong, it's not Bryan's fault. He's just simply a League One player at best.
Then the board. Whatever we told Wilder when he signed his new contract last year the board should have stuck to. There was, as Wilder has said, a plan in place. There must have been. The board I believe have backed Wilder reasonably well. We are not privy to what is said behind the scenes but in a pandemic, with all the uncertainty around, there are potential reasons why there would be reluctance to break the wage structure of the club. Borne out by the Norwich model.
Finally, the players. The drop off of the senior players' form with a couple of exceptions has been cataclysmic. It's a shame many of them have ruined their legacy.

So for me, in short, 1. Wilder, 2. The board and the players.
I think we've been " done" by unique circumstances. Perhaps our players would have run their course in this second season and the newbies have turned out to be duffers but I think the absence of a loud passionate partisan crowd has had a major bearing on our complete and utter collapse.
 
First up, I think we dropped off massively from January last year, a few good performances aside post lockdown. For the most part we edged games then by the odd goal. Not a huge amount between us and the relegated Norwich or Bournemouth. Henderson saved us in both of those games if I remember rightly. It's hard to blame Wilder for this because we were so good in the first part of the season and continued to get results. But we could all see the squad was thin and could never be expected to continue to punch above its weight.
Secondly, as good as Wilder's recruitment was in the lower leagues - and I believe it was unbelievably good - his recruitment in the PL has been a joke. I love the man to bits but there is no other way of putting it. Even signings like Callum Robinson were wasteful. We massively overpaid for Oli Mac. He fell out with Duffy, didn't really replace him, thus forcing us to play with a flat midfield three. For a while it worked, partly because Lundstram overperformed. He has never strengthened the squad in midfield. Signed Freeman, let him go on loan, didn't replace him. Didn't replace Besic. Berge came in for big money and was a good signing I think, but he knew the ongoing Lundstram contract situation and didn't foresee needing another option. So as soon as injuries came, as with our back three, we could never cope. The likes of Jack Robinson weren't adequate cover. He never utilised his second loan before the start of the season. He persisted with Kean Bryan in the squad. KEAN BRYAN. Don't get me wrong, it's not Bryan's fault. He's just simply a League One player at best.
Then the board. Whatever we told Wilder when he signed his new contract last year the board should have stuck to. There was, as Wilder has said, a plan in place. There must have been. The board I believe have backed Wilder reasonably well. We are not privy to what is said behind the scenes but in a pandemic, with all the uncertainty around, there are potential reasons why there would be reluctance to break the wage structure of the club. Borne out by the Norwich model.
Finally, the players. The drop off of the senior players' form with a couple of exceptions has been cataclysmic. It's a shame many of them have ruined their legacy.

So for me, in short, 1. Wilder, 2. The board and the players.

i think that's a great post can't disagree with any of it
 

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