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Okay, the messiah has gone. Fucking hell, he's given us the most fantastic moments in the past twenty years, ones where hope and optimism can be fully pinned that we are indeed a club to be reckoned with. There's not enough space here to list them. We all know what they are and what he has done.

But hasn't this season spelled out a few things about out mercurial ex-manager?

Firstly, he managed to evade, largely undamaged from the mum-and-dad fighting between McCabe and HRH. He also kept the team's heads focussed entirely on the task in hand namely, don't get relegated in the first season like Warnock did. Great stuff, but in the cold light of day, that was largely down to two or three players we currently have no access to, and the surprise element of the new boys in town fighting with fists and feet rather than harsh words, prose and invective. That's a Wilder trait, by the way. You could see that even the bigger clubs were wary of us, Spurs, Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal and even Citeh didn't like playing us because we didn't play by the rule book. Wilder, writ large, is that.

But post lockdown return, and I keep reinforcing this, oppositions have clearly worked his shit out and play effective, simple tactics to stop our game in it's tracks. We were famed for it - even today on Gillette SS, they were still commenting on the 'overlapping centrebacks' yet since we have lost all of that capability, has anyone seen this used - effectively - since the beginning of the season? Have we scored a goal from that? But I am going to point at Wilder on this - why fucking carry on with that tactic when firstly, we don't have the players to do that (none of the LCBs were even a patch on O'Connell) and oppositions just blocked the advances, latterly turning them into advantages with som many defences pushed so far up the flank and just frail Oliver Norwood standing in their way.

His transfer policy has been laughable. In the divisions below it was canny recruitment based on requirement in spcific areas and to hone the 3-5-2 format. But moving up the the Premier League when we were promoted, in came some players, not marque signings, but you thought, 'more to come'. He signs serial benchwarmer, non-goalscorer and straphanger at Bournemouth Lys Mousset. Go on, tell me who didn't Wiki him and think, 'hmmm.' instead of 'reyt signing'. I keep hearing people saying he was instrumental in getting us to ninth last season. Six fucking goals and not one complete match from someone who cost more than our previous historic record signing by a large magnitude. He bought a few other players he has not even touched or troubled to bring into the side, two years down the line now. And although some featured in bits and bobs across both seasons, the spine of the Championship playing team still appears from front to back, despite an eye watering amount of cash being spent, much of which is on the treatment table, sat in the stands, or unpicked.

People are busy blaming the board for the current mess, the team's slump and Wilder's exit but this is 'footballing business'. If some are deluded enough to think that HRH works in isolation in his decision making and want and need to install a better regulatory, accountable level into the football team business then they certainly show their colours in the past few days. HRH will be taking advice from plenty of sources outside WIlder's earshot on his way ahead (it is his club now) and that includes business managers, consultants and even other football club owners. Although I am disappointed Wilder is not doing the captain's duty and going down with his ship, fighting until the last turret is submerged, it is obvious the core of this tragedy is his redoubtable stubbornness which may have worked with McCabe, but doesn't cut any ice with HRH. And really, who can blame the prince? We've been playing awful football, been serially beaten, relegated since before Christmas in all but numbers and the team he should have transformed is a shoddy hotch-potch of profligate waste and shockingly undercapable makeweights. As people have said, were he not Chris Wilder, he'd have been sacked in October, and we have just skated on over thin ice because of this until today. And if he can't take the consequences of his lack of capability, he is right in going, albeit I'd have preferred it based on our position in December this year rather than leaving us in uncertainty, right now.

Replacement? Eddie Howe. Anyone else and we are in trouble, although I think HRH will give Heckingbottom the benefit of the doubt to prove he isn't the one between now and the end of the season. If he plays Wilderball and 5-3-2 with the same old shit and the player's morale clearly dented, I feel those 'narrow margins' might turn into fucking pastings though, starting with tomorrow.

And for fucks sake people. Cheer up. We've had a host of worse situations we've been through in the past fifty years.

pommpey
 



Gutted he’s gone. Whoever we get it’s going to be like Compering Peroni to Homebrew. But in the end we’ll get use to it. Bugger.
 
Okay, the messiah has gone. Fucking hell, he's given us the most fantastic moments in the past twenty years, ones where hope and optimism can be fully pinned that we are indeed a club to be reckoned with. There's not enough space here to list them. We all know what they are and what he has done.

But hasn't this season spelled out a few things about out mercurial ex-manager?

Firstly, he managed to evade, largely undamaged from the mum-and-dad fighting between McCabe and HRH. He also kept the team's heads focussed entirely on the task in hand namely, don't get relegated in the first season like Warnock did. Great stuff, but in the cold light of day, that was largely down to two or three players we currently have no access to, and the surprise element of the new boys in town fighting with fists and feet rather than harsh words, prose and invective. That's a Wilder trait, by the way. You could see that even the bigger clubs were wary of us, Spurs, Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal and even Citeh didn't like playing us because we didn't play by the rule book. Wilder, writ large, is that.

But post lockdown return, and I keep reinforcing this, oppositions have clearly worked his shit out and play effective, simple tactics to stop our game in it's tracks. We were famed for it - even today on Gillette SS, they were still commenting on the 'overlapping centrebacks' yet since we have lost all of that capability, has anyone seen this used - effectively - since the beginning of the season? Have we scored a goal from that? But I am going to point at Wilder on this - why fucking carry on with that tactic when firstly, we don't have the players to do that (none of the LCBs were even a patch on O'Connell) and oppositions just blocked the advances, latterly turning them into advantages with som many defences pushed so far up the flank and just frail Oliver Norwood standing in their way.

His transfer policy has been laughable. In the divisions below it was canny recruitment based on requirement in spcific areas and to hone the 3-5-2 format. But moving up the the Premier League when we were promoted, in came some players, not marque signings, but you thought, 'more to come'. He signs serial benchwarmer, non-goalscorer and straphanger at Bournemouth Lys Mousset. Go on, tell me who didn't Wiki him and think, 'hmmm.' instead of 'reyt signing'. I keep hearing people saying he was instrumental in getting us to ninth last season. Six fucking goals and not one complete match from someone who cost more than our previous historic record signing by a large magnitude. He bought a few other players he has not even touched or troubled to bring into the side, two years down the line now. And although some featured in bits and bobs across both seasons, the spine of the Championship playing team still appears from front to back, despite an eye watering amount of cash being spent, much of which is on the treatment table, sat in the stands, or unpicked.

People are busy blaming the board for the current mess, the team's slump and Wilder's exit but this is 'footballing business'. If some are deluded enough to think that HRH works in isolation in his decision making and want and need to install a better regulatory, accountable level into the football team business then they certainly show their colours in the past few days. HRH will be taking advice from plenty of sources outside WIlder's earshot on his way ahead (it is his club now) and that includes business managers, consultants and even other football club owners. Although I am disappointed Wilder is not doing the captain's duty and going down with his ship, fighting until the last turret is submerged, it is obvious the core of this tragedy is his redoubtable stubbornness which may have worked with McCabe, but doesn't cut any ice with HRH. And really, who can blame the prince? We've been playing awful football, been serially beaten, relegated since before Christmas in all but numbers and the team he should have transformed is a shoddy hotch-potch of profligate waste and shockingly undercapable makeweights. As people have said, were he not Chris Wilder, he'd have been sacked in October, and we have just skated on over thin ice because of this until today. And if he can't take the consequences of his lack of capability, he is right in going, albeit I'd have preferred it based on our position in December this year rather than leaving us in uncertainty, right now.

Replacement? Eddie Howe. Anyone else and we are in trouble, although I think HRH will give Heckingbottom the benefit of the doubt to prove he isn't the one between now and the end of the season. If he plays Wilderball and 5-3-2 with the same old shit and the player's morale clearly dented, I feel those 'narrow margins' might turn into fucking pastings though, starting with tomorrow.

And for fucks sake people. Cheer up. We've had a host of worse situations we've been through in the past fifty years.

pommpey
Your not supposed to come on here mate talking sense, all some of them want to do is post hateful messages about the owner and board, for what it's worth my take on it is we're Sheffield United fans and the club comes first. Good post 👍⚔️
 
It is quite incredible, and rather sweet, how so many fans have completely kept faith with Chris Wilder this season, as if it's definitely all just a blip and caused by our wage bill.

It's sweet because there isn't much loyalty shown in football and fans are notoriously bipolar with their opinions on performances and future predictions swinging wildly on the basis of one result. With so many defeats - I don't even know how many we've had - and so many abject ones at that, it's amazing that the majority of the fanbase is up in arms about his departure.

Personally, I reckon this season has exploded a few myths. A genuine tactical genius would have managed more than however many points we've currently got, even with this motley crew, which for some reason, never explained so far as I've heard, still includes Rodwell.

We have several players who should be nowhere near the squad of a serious Premier League club unless we were just signing them to make up the home-grown quotient, but we famously don't sign foreigners so that can't be it. Nevertheless, even with injuries, we have mostly been able to field what should be a competitive side. And we have a forward for every day of the week except Saturday.

Yet we've seen his stubborness in clinging to the system which defines him, even though it's been patently obvious for months that it doesn't work any more.

I didn't want him to go either, mostly because I wanted to see if he could repair the damage caused this season for which he has somehow avoided much blame in most quarters. Now that he has, though, it's a bit of a relief, but I feel sorry for whoever takes over as they're not going to be judged by normal United standards. Can you imagine if some poor bastard had taken over during last summer, and what the reaction would have been to this season's performances?

Now, unless we're in the automatic promotion frame from the start next season, we're going to hear how we would have been if only we'd kept Wilder. Anyone taking this job will need a huge ego, or need to be absolutely desperate, so I'm not entirely hopeful either way, but we shall see. It had to happen eventually.
 
Okay, the messiah has gone. Fucking hell, he's given us the most fantastic moments in the past twenty years, ones where hope and optimism can be fully pinned that we are indeed a club to be reckoned with. There's not enough space here to list them. We all know what they are and what he has done.

But hasn't this season spelled out a few things about out mercurial ex-manager?

Firstly, he managed to evade, largely undamaged from the mum-and-dad fighting between McCabe and HRH. He also kept the team's heads focussed entirely on the task in hand namely, don't get relegated in the first season like Warnock did. Great stuff, but in the cold light of day, that was largely down to two or three players we currently have no access to, and the surprise element of the new boys in town fighting with fists and feet rather than harsh words, prose and invective. That's a Wilder trait, by the way. You could see that even the bigger clubs were wary of us, Spurs, Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal and even Citeh didn't like playing us because we didn't play by the rule book. Wilder, writ large, is that.

But post lockdown return, and I keep reinforcing this, oppositions have clearly worked his shit out and play effective, simple tactics to stop our game in it's tracks. We were famed for it - even today on Gillette SS, they were still commenting on the 'overlapping centrebacks' yet since we have lost all of that capability, has anyone seen this used - effectively - since the beginning of the season? Have we scored a goal from that? But I am going to point at Wilder on this - why fucking carry on with that tactic when firstly, we don't have the players to do that (none of the LCBs were even a patch on O'Connell) and oppositions just blocked the advances, latterly turning them into advantages with som many defences pushed so far up the flank and just frail Oliver Norwood standing in their way.

His transfer policy has been laughable. In the divisions below it was canny recruitment based on requirement in spcific areas and to hone the 3-5-2 format. But moving up the the Premier League when we were promoted, in came some players, not marque signings, but you thought, 'more to come'. He signs serial benchwarmer, non-goalscorer and straphanger at Bournemouth Lys Mousset. Go on, tell me who didn't Wiki him and think, 'hmmm.' instead of 'reyt signing'. I keep hearing people saying he was instrumental in getting us to ninth last season. Six fucking goals and not one complete match from someone who cost more than our previous historic record signing by a large magnitude. He bought a few other players he has not even touched or troubled to bring into the side, two years down the line now. And although some featured in bits and bobs across both seasons, the spine of the Championship playing team still appears from front to back, despite an eye watering amount of cash being spent, much of which is on the treatment table, sat in the stands, or unpicked.

People are busy blaming the board for the current mess, the team's slump and Wilder's exit but this is 'footballing business'. If some are deluded enough to think that HRH works in isolation in his decision making and want and need to install a better regulatory, accountable level into the football team business then they certainly show their colours in the past few days. HRH will be taking advice from plenty of sources outside WIlder's earshot on his way ahead (it is his club now) and that includes business managers, consultants and even other football club owners. Although I am disappointed Wilder is not doing the captain's duty and going down with his ship, fighting until the last turret is submerged, it is obvious the core of this tragedy is his redoubtable stubbornness which may have worked with McCabe, but doesn't cut any ice with HRH. And really, who can blame the prince? We've been playing awful football, been serially beaten, relegated since before Christmas in all but numbers and the team he should have transformed is a shoddy hotch-potch of profligate waste and shockingly undercapable makeweights. As people have said, were he not Chris Wilder, he'd have been sacked in October, and we have just skated on over thin ice because of this until today. And if he can't take the consequences of his lack of capability, he is right in going, albeit I'd have preferred it based on our position in December this year rather than leaving us in uncertainty, right now.

Replacement? Eddie Howe. Anyone else and we are in trouble, although I think HRH will give Heckingbottom the benefit of the doubt to prove he isn't the one between now and the end of the season. If he plays Wilderball and 5-3-2 with the same old shit and the player's morale clearly dented, I feel those 'narrow margins' might turn into fucking pastings though, starting with tomorrow.

And for fucks sake people. Cheer up. We've had a host of worse situations we've been through in the past fifty years.

pommpey


Only read the last line and that's enough for a like to me
 



It is quite incredible, and rather sweet, how so many fans have completely kept faith with Chris Wilder this season, as if it's definitely all just a blip and caused by our wage bill.

It's sweet because there isn't much loyalty shown in football and fans are notoriously bipolar with their opinions on performances and future predictions swinging wildly on the basis of one result. With so many defeats - I don't even know how many we've had - and so many abject ones at that, it's amazing that the majority of the fanbase is up in arms about his departure.

Personally, I reckon this season has exploded a few myths. A genuine tactical genius would have managed more than however many points we've currently got, even with this motley crew, which for some reason, never explained so far as I've heard, still includes Rodwell.

We have several players who should be nowhere near the squad of a serious Premier League club unless we were just signing them to make up the home-grown quotient, but we famously don't sign foreigners so that can't be it. Nevertheless, even with injuries, we have mostly been able to field what should be a competitive side. And we have a forward for every day of the week except Saturday.

Yet we've seen his stubborness in clinging to the system which defines him, even though it's been patently obvious for months that it doesn't work any more.

I didn't want him to go either, mostly because I wanted to see if he could repair the damage caused this season for which he has somehow avoided much blame in most quarters. Now that he has, though, it's a bit of a relief, but I feel sorry for whoever takes over as they're not going to be judged by normal United standards. Can you imagine if some poor bastard had taken over during last summer, and what the reaction would have been to this season's performances?

Now, unless we're in the automatic promotion frame from the start next season, we're going to hear how we would have been if only we'd kept Wilder. Anyone taking this job will need a huge ego, or need to be absolutely desperate, so I'm not entirely hopeful either way, but we shall see. It had to happen eventually.

I get confused with posts like this. There have been many this season. I struggle to reconcile the belief that our players are shit with the view that had we changed system we would see an upturn in fortunes. I'm not meaning to pick on gordoncharles (and I doubt he/she cares) but how do we organise and understand the following:

"even with this motley crew" - so they must be pretty shit, maybe even hopelessly so?

"We have several players who should be nowhere near the squad of a serious Premier League club" - yeah, shit then.

"Nevertheless, even with injuries, we have mostly been able to field what should be a competitive side" - erm, yeah but I thought they were shit?

"His stubborness in clinging to the system which defines him, even though it's been patently obvious for months that it doesn't work any more" - So the failing is not down to shit players, we just needed to rearrange the 'seats on the deck of the titanic' and perhaps we wouldn't have sunk?

I'm genuinely not being a sarcastic little shit here (reserve that for family gatherings, remember those?), but I've seen similar all season from various posters. Are we hopelessly shit? Or would a move away from 3-5-2 help us? How do you reconcile the two? Genuine question.
 
I am gutted he has gone, truly stomach sickeningly gutted that the glorious ride is all over. Not just over but over in a shitstorm of acrimony, confusion and anger rather than the dignified exit Wilder (and we the supporters) deserved. We just can’t get anything right as a club for very long can we?

Having said that, I think your points are well made Pommpey. I loved the fist pumping, chest thumping, pitch sliding, straight talking Wilder of old. Not so keen on the rather petulant, pouting, stubborn and, let’s face it, out of his depth crap manager we have seen over these last few catastrophic months. He was either too stupid to see what was going wrong or too proud to admit it. Either way, he was getting paid mega bucks and neither stupidity nor misplaced pride should feature on a highly paid professional’s performance

Something went terribly wrong on around lockdown. Maybe absolute power does indeed corrupt absolutely and having ‘made it’ in the Prem, Wilder and his team sat on their laurels rather than pushing even harder to sustain the work ethic Wilder so frequently espoused. The shambles of a team that trudged out in that first game against Wolves and so many subsequent games bore no resemblance to the spitting, snarling Blades that romped to 9th position the season before.

My feeling tonight is that Wilder has let me/us down. Not because of the inevitable relegation - fuck knows, as a veteran of the Walsall and Chelsea games I have experienced enough of those. I would have forgiven him that and looked forward to next season with him still at the helm. It’s because I believe he could at least have chosen to stay on until the close season, left in a dignified manner and not put us all through this frankly amateurish and shambolic humiliation as a club. Chris, you will walk away with millions in compo, but as fans we are just left with a rudderless club and another fucking fiasco to add to the innumerable scars of the past. I understand that you needed to leave but I think as a Blades fan yourself you know what we have suffered and you owed us better than this.

I truly wish Chris Wilder well and hope he can reach again the dizzy heights he achieved with the Blades. Probably the best manager we ever had. I know the owners are probably equallly to blame, The difference is they don’t come from Sheffield and, to be frank, I don’t expect them to give a shit about the fans. I thought Chris Wilder would and spare us this debacle of a departure
 
Good OP pompey. My sentiments entirely. Loved Wilder over the years, but he decided to leave when in reality he could have negotiated an agreement to continue had he given a bit of slack with his demands. I think he gave up months ago. IF we get the management restructuring correct in time for the new season, then I'll be convinced we can go again and challenge for a return.
 
I get confused with posts like this. There have been many this season. I struggle to reconcile the belief that our players are shit with the view that had we changed system we would see an upturn in fortunes. I'm not meaning to pick on gordoncharles (and I doubt he/she cares) but how do we organise and understand the following:

"even with this motley crew" - so they must be pretty shit, maybe even hopelessly so?

"We have several players who should be nowhere near the squad of a serious Premier League club" - yeah, shit then.

"Nevertheless, even with injuries, we have mostly been able to field what should be a competitive side" - erm, yeah but I thought they were shit?

"His stubborness in clinging to the system which defines him, even though it's been patently obvious for months that it doesn't work any more" - So the failing is not down to shit players, we just needed to rearrange the 'seats on the deck of the titanic' and perhaps we wouldn't have sunk?

I'm genuinely not being a sarcastic little shit here (reserve that for family gatherings, remember those?), but I've seen similar all season from various posters. Are we hopelessly shit? Or would a move away from 3-5-2 help us? How do you reconcile the two? Genuine question.

OK, I'll explain myself

"been able to field what should be a competitive side" does not contradict what I said previously. By motley crew I mean they appear to have been thrown together with no special regard for how we intend to play, with "overbooking" amongst the forward players, no options in midfield and no serious cover in many areas, for example in goal.

Lowe, Robinson, Bryan, Osborn shouldn't even have been considered for the Premier League, which is not to say they haven't tried hard and I don't blame them for not being good enough (plus Bryan has improved) but in what world did anyone think they'd be suitable? We also have Rodwell. I have no idea if any of our other three goalkeepers are good enough. I suspect not.

None of that is the same as saying "everyone is shit". They aren't. And even if they were, you'd still have to find a way of making the whole greater than the sum of the parts. That's what a tactical genius would do.

And, yes, very definitely, deciding how to use the players you've got is critical to whether or not you'll get better performances and results. I'm not going to repeat what many posters, including me, have said over the season about that. Our (previous) manager, for all his many qualities, was unable or unwilling to change, probably both.
 
I guess at times like these many people focus on the good times and memories (and they were incredible!) it’s quite sad to accept that those days have now gone. Wilder leaving has put a cast iron stamp on that and it’s left many quite angry. Let’s face it though, the coffin has had most of the nails firmly hammered in for some time now! This season has been an utter shit show. Proving all the so called know it all’s on tv right has been awful to watch and listen to all season! Something has broken down.
Regards the board. As an outsider looking in I’m struggling to see what else they could’ve done. I need more information before I cast judgement on the situation and their handling of it.
I think if it was my club I’d be asking questions and offering some sort of solution. In the form of a DOF that appears to be what has happened.
As it stands we don’t know the ins and outs of the situation. Maybe the Prince has said there’s going to be a fire sale, maybe Wilder has said it’s my way or the highway (both extremes on the spectrum)
For me, right now, I’m gutted to see it end like this and just feel like some sort of compromise should’ve been achieved ⚔️
 
This thread and the wilder gone thread are pretty consistent in their appraisal of the situation. Not the weeping and wailing over wilder and how could they possibly sack him going on in mainstream media. For me Wilder is a flawed hero, sad that it came to this but he bears a big part of the blame. We support SUFC not him and move on. Perhaps United fans arent as blind and thick as we are painted.
 
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What sickens me is the way we all gloss over the extraordinary amount of money paid to football managers when their tenures come to an end. These are managers of sports teams, not neurosurgeons, nor are they running large corporations. The millions CW will no doubt receive from the club is typically obscene. CW does deserve plaudits for his achievements in getting us to the promised land, but there have been many failings too - money spent on players seldom or never used, failing to balance the squad this year, failing to adapt tactics to better suit a patched up team and for, over a prolonged period, publicly, if implicitly, criticising the owner. The end of a largely upbeat era is always tinged with sadness, but, unfortunately, change had become inevitable. Whether this change will work out, only time will tell.
 
Crux for me about the sadness of how it's all ended, is that we saw that Wilder could make us achieve. Even though this season has been a disaster looking from all angles, we still had hope that Wilder would make us achieve again, because he did it before.
That hope has now largely vanished. We dread the future because we have seen our past.
At nearly 59 years old, I thought at last we had a chance of being someone, being appreciated on the world stage even. Now those thoughts have evaporated, being replaced by ones that I will never see the like of last season again.

Of course I'll be buying season tickets again as soon as possible but as this moment in time, unfortunately all I can see ahead are doldrums.

There's talk of Eddie Howe possibly coming in (can't see it myself) but we're back to the same old story, we have no money to spend. Why would EH want to work in that environment with tied hands.
Personally I would like to see a progressive lower league manager who is able to take younger players to new levels (don't we all?). I really don't want a rider off the managerial merry-go-round.
 



Personally I would like to see a progressive lower league manager who is able to take younger players to new levels (don't we all?). I really don't want a rider off the managerial merry-go-round.

I think that's the best we can actually hope for. We tried the "name" manager in 2007 with awful results that set us back.

All appointments are risky, as are player transfers, but I've been a bit surprised by the level of mockery put about at suggestions like, for example, Appleton. This is not to say I think he should be our next manager coach, but he's worked in the PL, did a bang-up job at Oxford (post-Wilder) and seems to have performed well at Lincoln, again following on from someone very successful, and with young players and a reduced budget. From what I've seen, most pundits say Lincoln play the best football in League One.

We shouldn't be turning our noses up at this type of manager coach, let alone deriding them. It's not very United to be so Billy Bigballs.
 

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