For the greater good of Sheffield Football is now the time to merge?

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You seem to be forgetting that it was created artificially in the first place.

I take it you're after a rise here?

If it's an unimportant, unemotional simple old game, why would any of us support Sheffield United? The tourist attraction at the "Theatre of dreams" (puke) is well within reach.

I haven't heard one person say.. "I wish we'd merge with Wednesday".

UTB
 

How about a South Yorkshire team made up of us, them, Toytown and Dingles. Build a new stadium at the Don Valley - kick the athletics track out - and Robert is your father's brother.

Easy!
 
If you think its 'just a game' I suggest another sport would suit you better.
 
I tentatively and jokingly suggested this a while ago. I believe that the fatwa on me has just been lifted.
 
I think most would still have the same attitude.

For me it's not a case of baulking at merging with Wednesday. I don't want us to merge with anyone. As far as I am concerned if we do that, the team I currently support will cease to exist. It will no longer be Sheffield United, the club I chose above all other clubs.

I would cease travelling back to Sheffield and start watching the club closest to where I now live - Forest Green Rovers.

Guiseley for me!
 
For me, its not about money, and its not about being able to "compete" in that stupid league above us. Its about supporting MY team, wherever they find themselves in the pyramid, and all the emotional investment I have made in them over many years.

I suspect that if a merger ever happened the chief beneficiaries might be Sheffield FC and Stocksbridge Park Steels.

Actually, Sheffield FC might provide an acceptable route to merger.
United and Wednesday cease to exist and Sheffield FC, the oldest in the world, would represent the city instead.
 
Well well, the usual responses as expected, a couple of "your not a blade if you even think about it" and a couple of surprising "yeah, I can see it working". Those of you who say "I'm not a Blade" are assuming I actually want it myself. I don't, but I mentioned it for good reason.

We were in the Premiership 4 years ago, we had almost double the attendance we are getting now so that means half of our supporter base has drifted away. 28-30k was where we were at and we are now drifting towards 15k shortly. So based on that theory there are 15k who would return purely based on the glory. Same for the pork, in fact probably more so. These people don't turn up because they are hardcore (like many on here etc) but because they want to see Premiership football.

I'm afraid attention spans aren't what they were. There isn't the same hardcore base growing up who want to attend the matches. A game on Sky with Liverpool, Chelsea, Man U, Man City, Arsenal or even Spurs is of more interest than going to the Lane for some.

It may well be a "shove it up your arse" mentality for some of you but I within 10 years it would be a roaring success. All it needs is a backer. For the following reasons:-

4th biggest city in the country gives a massive supporter base. Forget those of us who have drifted away from Sheffield, towards 1m people in the catchment area makes it a no brainer if you are investing.
In spite of absolute shite we have shown both Sheffield clubs can attract substantial support.
There isn't another opportunity like this going to arise.
Football as we know it is dead in England. Say what you like, its all about clamouring for those 20 Premiership places rather than about grass roots football etc. FFS its more important to play for your Premiership team than your country these days.
McCabe has been trying to make SUFC this for years now. At first many (myself included) didn't see it coming. But we are now not supporters but clients.

I would love with all my heart to say it won't happen and it never will but I'm afraid football is a business now. It has nothing to do with supporters and as much as I hate to say it, if some new owner delivered Premiership football then Sheffield United and Sheffield Wednesday would be forgotten as a distant memory.

I know this has popped its head up from time to time and I know it gets slapped down on message boards because many on here are dyed in the wool. I'm afraid thats not the majority. In sheffield less than 10% of the population go to football every fortnight. Yet if you delivered big names and a nice shiny new stadium along with a team on the up I can guarantee you that the majority are so fickle as to go and watch the new "Sheffield Franchise FC".

P.S of course its got something to do with the state we are in, but bearing in mind how fickle many have been for success then I would suggest its coming whether we like it or not.

Oh and finally I think we are circling closer to the toilet bowl than any of us would care to think.

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Actually, Sheffield FC might provide an acceptable route to merger.
United and Wednesday cease to exist and Sheffield FC, the oldest in the world, would represent the city instead.

I am guessing you understand where I am coming from Lenners. Its not something anyone actually wants but it has an almost inevitable ring to it. The only thing I see changing it is if the Pigs get promoted this season.
 
Bladesway, I know exactly where you're coming from and I do think we are currently sleep walking towards oblivion as a club.
I went yesterday and the first thing we had was the sad desperation of a former hero shouting down a microphone trying to drum up support with the response of polite embarrassed applause.
The team plays like it's already on life-support, managed by a manager who's already admitted he can't cope with the job.
Above all, we have an owner who doesn't care and who walked away when the going got tough.
If, and it looks like when, we go down, we've got real trouble because I don't see us coming back immediately.
The big danger is the other lot going the other way, which they could still do this season, and quickly going back to the Prem.
The Notts County scenario is a real one for us. Football has changed, fans have changed and there is very, very little to warm to about our club currently.
 
Bladesway, I know exactly where you're coming from and I do think we are currently sleep walking towards oblivion as a club.
I went yesterday and the first thing we had was the sad desperation of a former hero shouting down a microphone trying to drum up support with the response of polite embarrassed applause.
The team plays like it's already on life-support, managed by a manager who's already admitted he can't cope with the job.
Above all, we have an owner who doesn't care and who walked away when the going got tough.
If, and it looks like when, we go down, we've got real trouble because I don't see us coming back immediately.
The big danger is the other lot going the other way, which they could still do this season, and quickly going back to the Prem.
The Notts County scenario is a real one for us. Football has changed, fans have changed and there is very, very little to warm to about our club currently.

It just gets better and better eh Len? Let's merge. You could get in the mother of all "I told you so" 's before embarking on another path of hatred for all things that come our of our new, super plastic Sheffield City FC.

:)

UTB
 
It just gets better and better eh Len? Let's merge. You could get in the mother of all "I told you so" 's before embarking on another path of hatred for all things that come our of our new, super plastic Sheffield City FC.

:)

UTB

You're smarter than the average bear Alco but that response wasn't.
 
A new club would have no debt, the current clubs would disappear and it would be a new company.
Part of merging could involve using receipts from the sale of both grounds though.

And we'd all have meaningless knifes and birds tattooed to our bodies that mean diddly squat!
 

I am guessing you understand where I am coming from Lenners. Its not something anyone actually wants but it has an almost inevitable ring to it. The only thing I see changing it is if the Pigs get promoted this season.

The way I see it coming about (if at all) is when 9and if) they decide to embark on Premiership 2. They will probably take teh opportunity to make it 2 divisions of 18/ if at the same time they decide to make it a closed shop (not beyond the realms of possibility) they would probably want a team from Sheffield of some sort in there (and Nottingham, Leeds, Leicester, Derby, Bristol) as they would want to have at least one "franchise" in each of the major population centers.

Now were we and the Pigs safely ensconced in the PL when it happens, we probably don`t have an issue, both would "get in" with no issues.

However if we are both in Div 3, you can easily see the Sheffield Franchise being seriously mooted around. Thats why it is so vital we stay a div above them. You can gurantee that if we are both a Div 2 level then the invitation will be extended to the "bigger" of the 2 clubs.
 
The opening post advocates a merger:

For the greater good of Sheffield Football

What "greater good of Sheffield football"? That's a nebulous concept if ever there was one. Why is this more important than "the greater good of Sheffield United" or, objectively speaking, the "greater good of Sheffield Wednesday"? A merger is not for the greater good of these institutions, both over 120 years old with their own traditions and thousands of supporters. It's the death knell for both.

How is it for the greater good to wreck something that is so important to tens of thousands of people? What higher purpose are we pursuing that cannot be achieved by them separately given some sensible investment and management?

(I might add that I can see economic arguments for a merger, but I do not see that they benefit anyone except whoever is the owner of each club at the relevant time of the merger).
 
Both clubs have been in much worse positions, and have been in much better.

Christ, the sky really is falling chicken little.
 
There is already a club called Sheffield FC and we don't have to merge for some of you to go and watch them you know.
 
The big danger is the other lot going the other way, which they could still do this season, and quickly going back to the Prem.

There's more chance of them being in Div 4 next season, they've only got a slightly better prospect of the play offs than we have, 9 points off the play offs, 5 off relegation. I don't know many of their lot that think they'll go up this time.

No merger for me thanks.
 
There's more chance of them being in Div 4 next season, they've only got a slightly better prospect of the play offs than we have, 9 points off the play offs, 5 off relegation. I don't know many of their lot that think they'll go up this time.

No merger for me thanks.

I hope you're right Trig though them staying down and then romping the league next season while we're floundering around in the same league doesn't seem a great prospect either.
 
I found out a couple of months ago that someone - and I have no idea who - had contacted SCC Planning Dept in June and made a formal request for details of what development could be carried out on the land currently occupied by the football grounds at Bramall Lane and swillsbro.

This type of request is usually made by either a land owner wishing to add potential value to land prior to putting it up for sale, or by a third party trying to establish an accurate valuation of land before purchase. I was told that the request for information for both sites came from one source and was nothing to do with the WC bid. Make of that what you will but like I pondered previously, are the wheels already in motion....?
 
How about a South Yorkshire team made up of us, them, Toytown and Dingles. Build a new stadium at the Don Valley - kick the athletics track out - and Robert is your father's brother.

Easy!



That is the logical extension of the argument.

Lets suppose that we did merge with Wednesday. Success is not guaranteed and may not follow. 20 years down the line you'd probably have people saying lets merge with Leeds, Barnsley, Rotherham and Hull. Then we can have Yorkshire County FC. Think of the crowds and revenue we could get. Then when that didn't bring the expected success we could look further afield and merge with Nottingham Forest and Derby and have a Yorkshire and East Midlands FC, and so on......
 
I hope that's true Jon Bon.
We then either realise it's time to move on to a different future or it galvanises the club to rediscover some self-respect.

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That is the logical extension of the argument.

Lets suppose that we did merge with Wednesday. Success is not guaranteed and may not follow. 20 years down the line you'd probably have people saying lets merge with Leeds, Barnsley, Rotherham and Hull. Then we can have Yorkshire County FC. Think of the crowds and revenue we could get. Then when that didn't bring the expected success we could look further afield and merge with Nottingham Forest and Derby and have a Yorkshire and East Midlands FC, and so on......

Success isn't guaranteed but one Sheffield club would attract bigger crowds than Leeds for starters and would be very likely to be one of the biggest in the country.
Unlikely it would need to merge with anyone else.
 
It's 100% true Len, although just because someone has requested that information doesn't mean to say that anything is in the offing but it does give you something to ponder.
 
I hope that's true Jon Bon.
We then either realise it's time to move on to a different future or it galvanises the club to rediscover some self-respect.

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Success isn't guaranteed but one Sheffield club would attract bigger crowds than Leeds for starters and would be very likely to be one of the biggest in the country.
Unlikely it would need to merge with anyone else.



When United and Wednesday were in their respective heydays many moons ago, the thought of any merger being required would also have seemed unlikely.

A merger would not guarantee success, or even make it particularly likely. And you cannot say with any certainty that there will be big crowds. I feel that a merged club would have no interest at all for many of the current two clubs' supporters. I certainly wouldn't go any more, and I don't think I am out of step with the way many others feel.

Unless success followed pretty swiftly, it wouldn't take long for any interest to wither away and the new club would be in the same position as the old clubs.
 
When United and Wednesday were in their respective heydays many moons ago, the thought of any merger being required would also have seemed unlikely.

A merger would not guarantee success, or even make it particularly likely. And you cannot say with any certainty that there will be big crowds. I feel that a merged club would have no interest at all for many of the current two clubs' supporters. I certainly wouldn't go any more, and I don't think I am out of step with the way many others feel.

Unless success followed pretty swiftly, it wouldn't take long for any interest to wither away and the new club would be in the same position as the old clubs.

It's not about older fans and any big city would have plenty of people wanting to watch a football club.
Ultimately, there would be big crowds without a doubt. Get the club in the Prem and it would be a relative doddle.
 

It's not about older fans and any big city would have plenty of people wanting to watch a football club.
Ultimately, there would be big crowds without a doubt. Get the club in the Prem and it would be a relative doddle.



I know it's not about older supporters. It's about all potential supporters. And the starting point is the current fan base of each existing club. I don't think you can assume that they will automatically transfer their allegiances to any new club. Many won't and that cuts across all age bands.

Undoubtedly there would be some who currently don't watch either side who would go along out of interest.

But the inescapable fact is that for the vast majority of clubs, attendances are linked to success. Without pretty swift success, the initial interest will probably dissipate.

With United and Wednesday, most younger supporters are introduced to the respective clubs by older relatives, or by friends. If a lot of those people have no interest in the new club, that channel of introduction is not going to be there.

Hopefully, it won't happen so we'll never know who is right or who is wrong.
 

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