Ramsdale

[Carlton Blade]

It’s not about always being constructive, but at some point you need to be otherwise it’s not really supportive is it?
If you’ve made your point and yet continue to constantly rip the club down then it not support or beneficial to the club at all so what is it you want? If there’s something you want to see you have to ask if what you’re doing will achieve that and if not what’s the point? Or is it just affirmation you’re after?

You're taking an odd view of what I said but fair enough.

As somebody who has been extremely critical of the recruitment and playing style of the team since the start of 2020 I would like to see some indication that the management of the club have learned from their mistakes and are willing to accept that the decisions they have made have not worked. I'm not seeing any of that. All I can see is a growing gulf between the ownership and the manager, team selection that seems like it's being made up on the spot, a complete lack of any sort of tactical variety and an insistence on playing a young keeper in every game despite the fact he's practically falling apart in front of our eyes.

The situation at the club is currently pretty uncertain and a forum is the best place to express my feelings on that

 

[Jon B]

I don't see the point in slagging off Ramsdale when the guy is doing his best behind a dodgy defence.

It's a management choice to keep picking him. Presumably CW has confidence in him .....or lacks confidence in the reserve keepers in his squad.

Either way it's CW's choice and responsibility.

 

[Bladeloyal]

Think so called blades in here and I say blades lightly want to get off the lads back ,yes he's made mistakes and the one sure thing is he's playing Infront of a disjointed back line ,watch all the goals back this season . Few have been rammers fault .yes he has flaws which as he gets older can be ironed out .utb he will do magic

 

[oldblade]

I don't see the point in slagging off Ramsdale when the guy is doing his best behind a dodgy defence.

It's a management choice to keep picking him. Presumably CW has confidence in him .....or lacks confidence in the reserve keepers in his squad.

Either way it's CW's choice and responsibility.

I would like to see some recent stats on Ramsdale with regard to Expected Goals. In other words, how many goals should he have been expected to concede when looked at in the context of where the shots against him came from, type of shot and where the shots were hit etc.

I haven't seen anything on this since the Chelsea game. That was our 8th game of the season. By the conclusion of that game we had conceded 14 goals in total. Our expected goals conceded was 13, so by that point in the season Ramsdale had conceded only 1 more goal than he should have been expected to concede. In other words, about average. Certainly not a disastrous performance up until that stage.

I don't know what the figures have been for the 11 matches played since then. We have conceded 18 goals in those matches, but I don't know what the figure is for Expected Goals conceded in those matches.

However, I do know that last season Dean Henderson's stats were very good. Over the course of the season he conceded between 8 and 9 goals fewer than he should have been expected to concede. Given how many single goal victories we had, coupled with how many matches we drew it is easy to see what a valuable player Henderson was to us and we were always likely to suffer without him. And that loss has been compounded by the loss of O'Connell.

 

[Bladesman]

Football Heaven - 'I'll come out the other side of this a better goalkeeper' - BBC Sounds

Sheffield United goalkeeper Aaron Ramsdale with Andy Giddings.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Speedracer]

I understand that the purpose of a forum is to stimulate debate between fans, but I really don't see the point of taking about what we could have done instead of buying him. The fact is we did buy him, for a pretty big fee too, so for the foreseeable he is going to be our number one. It does show that we haven't done well with signing 'keepers in the recent past because it seems that we don't have one that is considered good enough to take Ramsdale's place. Or alternatively CW is going to stick with him come hell or high water, that could be just him being stubborn or him thinking he will come through it as a better 'keeper, I really don't know. I really want him to succeed though, so for now I am hoping he will emerge from this period as a butterfly from a chrysalis. Going to give him a new nickname too, I hate Rambo & Rammers is just as bad, how about we have a more up to date one like A-Ram, any takers?

 

[robbiez666]

Football Heaven - 'I'll come out the other side of this a better goalkeeper' - BBC Sounds

Sheffield United goalkeeper Aaron Ramsdale with Andy Giddings.

www.bbc.co.uk

Comes across well. It's a shame he doesn't seem as calm on the pitch. Listening to him, and given the clearly awful alternatives, I'm happy to persist with him.

 

[B.Lade]

Sounds like Wilder will be keeping faith with him tomorrow. Clearly he doesn't feel as if either of the alternatives are any better. Interesting one with Ramsdale really, as others have pointed out he was Bournemouth's player of the season last year so regardless of anything else he's been recognised for something in his game he's simply not demonstrating this season. Evidently psychological for the most part bit clearly technical elements he's not doing as well too. How does he get back to that point? Psychologist? Better training around specific elements (when to initiate his pre-save bounce for one)?

 

[Bladesince59]

what he needs is genuine competition theres nobody good enough to push him for his place

Jags?

 

[BushBlade]

Comes across well. It's a shame he doesn't seem as calm on the pitch. Listening to him, and given the clearly awful alternatives, I'm happy to persist with him.

I think he’s improving slowly, he just needs to cut out the errors a bit. He’s very young for a keeper. I remember when Man U signed De Gea and he was atrocious. I know he’s gone back to making mistakes but for several seasons he was as good as anyone. If Ramsdale trains hard, he’ll improve, as will Brewster and the rest of the young players, I’ve seen the full careers of a lot of top U.K. players and a lot of them had weaknesses when they started; Giggs couldn’t cross, Ferdinand had some shockers at West Ham, Lampard was very ordinary, give our lot time and most will get much better.

 

[JayGreen17]

He may come out the other side a better keeper, but to what expense... WHOLE CLUBS RELEGATION

 

[FMBlade1]

I think he’s improving slowly, he just needs to cut out the errors a bit. He’s very young for a keeper. I remember when Man U signed De Gea and he was atrocious. I know he’s gone back to making mistakes but for several seasons he was as good as anyone. If Ramsdale trains hard, he’ll improve, as will Brewster and the rest of the young players, I’ve seen the full careers of a lot of top U.K. players and a lot of them had weaknesses when they started; Giggs couldn’t cross, Ferdinand had some shockers at West Ham, Lampard was very ordinary, give our lot time and most will get much better.

Ferguson actually dropped De Gea and he came back stronger, something I said I think we should do

 

[Eskimo]

All I can see is a growing gulf between the ownership and the manager

Bit off piste that comment. Is there any real evidence of this? It touches a nerve because my main worry is not Ramsdale it is the general lack of experience the owners have. OK It’s their money but it’s our club. Who is calling the shots? Who is advising them, steadying the tiller?

 

[JimW1889]

Don't think it's any coincidence that as the team have got better defensively he's started looking better himself. Think any keeper would've looked shit playing for us the first half of the season.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

Ramsdale faultless tonight.

Well done to him, earned us 3 points instead of one.

 

[Chabuddy G]

Save of the season from Ramsfail at 1-1

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Ramsdale faultless tonight.

Well done to him, earned us 3 points instead of one.

Being critical he could have pushed the shot wide for ther goal. However the save from CR was indeed world class.

 

[Blade In Flame]

Being critical he could have pushed the shot wide for ther goal. However the save from CR was indeed world class.

World class save or just typically poor finishing from Robinson? Or a bit of both?

 

[S64 Blade]

Ramsdale faultless tonight.

Well done to him, earned us 3 points instead of one.

Two excellent games in a row for him and the confidence is growing.

 

[BadgersBigToe]

World class save or just typically poor finishing from Robinson? Or a bit of both?

Give the lad credit....it was a fantastic save

 

[Chabuddy G]

Being critical he could have pushed the shot wide for ther goal. However the save from CR was indeed world class.

You’re being critical Yep. Because there’s very few keepers who could’ve pushed that out of danger. It was poor defending from Basham and the perfect angle for Robinson, Ramsdale had all on stopping it Nevermind anything else

 

[Houston_Blade]

Those poppadom hands were excellent in the 2nd half

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You’re being critical Yep. Because there’s very few keepers who could’ve pushed that out of danger. It was poor defending from Basham and the perfect angle for Robinson, Ramsdale had all on stopping it Nevermind anything else

Not really, all keepers are coached to push the ball away, if you look back he got his hand position wrong and that could only parry the ball back into the 6 yard box. However all keepers make that mistake time to time, but not all keepers would have made that save.

Rammers is on the up, The Blades are on the up and that can only be a good thing.

 

[Varkanoid]

For their goal if you also look he made the first save but pushed/parried it into danger (which he has made the mistake of before) then made a smaller second save which pushed it in the path of the scorer. I've been in that situation and if you have a second chance within arms reach you dont push it away you pounce on the bugger and claw it back to your chest. He had time. Split second but he had time. Its when gut instinct of a keeper kicks in time seems to run slower and your hands just know where to get the ball from and move it to.

Apart from that he had a very good match. Just glad the one allowed mistake didnt cost us the match. Now needs to keep some clean sheets.

 

[toshack]

For their goal if you also look he made the first save but pushed/parried it into danger (which he has made the mistake of before) then made a smaller second save which pushed it in the path of the scorer. I've been in that situation and if you have a second chance within arms reach you dont push it away you pounce on the bugger and claw it back to your chest. He had time. Split second but he had time. Its when gut instinct of a keeper kicks in time seems to run slower and your hands just know where to get the ball from and move it to.

Apart from that he had a very good match. Just glad the one allowed mistake didnt cost us the match. Now needs to keep some clean sheets.

You've been in that situation? Sunday league or Tuesday night 5 a side no doubt. Hardly comparable.

Too many people fancy themselves as keepers and have no actual clue.

Wasn't a mistake, a decent save in which the rebound fell to a West Brom player.

 

[Varkanoid]

You've been in that situation? Sunday league or Tuesday night 5 a side no doubt. Hardly comparable.

Too many people fancy themselves as keepers and have no actual clue.

Wasn't a mistake, a decent save in which the rebound fell to a West Brom player.

He actually made two saves if you were watching closely and its the second one I had task with.

Tuesday and Thursday night 6 a side, college football (Sheffield Wednesday scouted us once, urgh) etc etc yes it is relevant. Doesnt matter whether its PL or Sunday league the technique and instinct is still the same. When I was on top of my form you had this instinct where you could see the ball would go you knew what to look for in a player, the way they looked, the body language. It stays with you from amateur to professional. Its like anything not just being a keeper. My 11yr old is a keeper he is a brilliant shot stopper much better than I was and we have already had Leeds, Man City and Bradford sniffing round but he is lacking in technique and this is being solved now by proper GK classes anyway we were talking one day and he said to me about how he could see where the ball is going before its kicked and described the instinct the exact same feeling I had when I played. Even yesterday he turned to me and said why did he push that away into danger and then push it even further he said to me second save he could have pulled towards him. Exactly what I was thinking. You are taught not to push it into danger.

So its not bullshit and we do have a clue as we both have been there. Have you ???

 

[toshack]

He actually made two saves if you were watching closely and its the second one I had task with.

Tuesday and Thursday night 6 a side, college football (Sheffield Wednesday scouted us once, urgh) etc etc yes it is relevant. Doesnt matter whether its PL or Sunday league the technique and instinct is still the same. When I was on top of my form you had this instinct where you could see the ball would go you knew what to look for in a player, the way they looked, the body language. It stays with you from amateur to professional. Its like anything not just being a keeper. My 11yr old is a keeper he is a brilliant shot stopper much better than I was and we have already had Leeds, Man City and Bradford sniffing round but he is lacking in technique and this is being solved now by proper GK classes anyway we were talking one day and he said to me about how he could see where the ball is going before its kicked and described the instinct the exact same feeling I had when I played. Even yesterday he turned to me and said why did he push that away into danger and then push it even further he said to me second save he could have pulled towards him. Exactly what I was thinking. You are taught not to push it into danger.

So its not bullshit and we do have a clue as we both have been there. Have you ???

Im afraid the level you play at has huge significance. Im surprised you only hit the dizzy heights of College football the way you describe your own instincts, sound like something from The Avengers.

Im sure your son will have a long and successful career.......

 

[Tonepone]

I would like to see some recent stats on Ramsdale with regard to Expected Goals. In other words, how many goals should he have been expected to concede when looked at in the context of where the shots against him came from, type of shot and where the shots were hit etc.

I haven't seen anything on this since the Chelsea game. That was our 8th game of the season. By the conclusion of that game we had conceded 14 goals in total. Our expected goals conceded was 13, so by that point in the season Ramsdale had conceded only 1 more goal than he should have been expected to concede. In other words, about average. Certainly not a disastrous performance up until that stage.

I don't know what the figures have been for the 11 matches played since then. We have conceded 18 goals in those matches, but I don't know what the figure is for Expected Goals conceded in those matches.

However, I do know that last season Dean Henderson's stats were very good. Over the course of the season he conceded between 8 and 9 goals fewer than he should have been expected to concede. Given how many single goal victories we had, coupled with how many matches we drew it is easy to see what a valuable player Henderson was to us and we were always likely to suffer without him. And that loss has been compounded by the loss of O'Connell.

Our current goals conceded is worse than our xGA by 1.11 goals. There are 8 teams worse off than that, suggesting that despite all the criticism Rammer is a mid table keeper (at least statistically)

 

[The Crab]

Give the lad credit....it was a fantastic save

One of those where if you spread yourself, as he did, you give yourself a chance. Instinctive rather than pre-emptive, but a fucking good save

 

[Balham]

On that double save, if you watch the highlights you'll see that Ramsdale sets himself for a first time shot from Diagne. He then doesn't have time to react again when Diagne takes a touch before scuffing that shot goalwards so he does well to get anything on it.

On a separate note, if anyone says they knew that firstly Diagne would take a touch and then that he'd mishit a shot off his ankle they're either omniscient or lying.