Our wing play

[Railway Blade]

Surely we have got to have a re-think in this area. Playing Williamson (I know he is suspended next game) and Cresswell on the wings is just madness.

I cant remember either of them getting a decent cross into the box for the strikers to have a go at. In fact I have seen Monty cross more balls in from the right when he is supposed to be in the centre of midfield.

Cresswell is too slow there and to me offers nothing.

Yeates is an option but he is very inconsistent and his crossing is quite frankly poor.

For me its either time to look at the lad Mcallister, or get someone in on loan.

 

[Grecian2000]

I was expecting that post to consist of the words "Is shit" and padding out to the requisite 10 character.

Oh, for what it's worth, we have been poor from wide since Hoofy decided the role of winger was actually auxilliary full back and we got rid of anyone who might threaten in their half and decided tracking back was the only function they served.

 

[Wards]

I'd be happy to stick Yeates out there. Inconsistent no doubt but find me a winger who isn't at this level.

 

[puppet]

I'd be happy to stick Yeates out there. Inconsistent no doubt but find me a winger who isn't at this level.

inconsistency can only be measured by a run in the side, its hard to say whether he is truly inconsistent or not really.... certainly has to be a better option than our most creative CM at right wing

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Yeates and Quinn is the best option at the moment IMO. Ward is not a winger.

I would like to say give Lowton a go on the right with Yeates on the left but we need a decent left sided player in on loan. Good sides have natural balance on either side with a right and left footer. Yeates and Quinn might not represent good delivery on crosses but give me another combination that could achieve any better with what we've got.

 

[puppet]

Good shout. Quinny showed a lot of promise in the PL season out left.... seemed to have the vision to cut inside and shoot when his options were limited too. His demise since being paired in the middle with Monty has been a slow, painful thing to watch!

 

[sheffielder]

Good shout. Quinny showed a lot of promise in the PL season out left.... seemed to have the vision to cut inside and shoot when his options were limited too. His demise since being paired in the middle with Monty has been a slow, painful thing to watch!

Do you have some software that sends you an email when Quinn's name is mentioned?

And personally I would have Quinn over Cresswell on the left any day of the week

 

[puppet]

Do your eyes connect to your brain? If so can you tell what is wrong about what I said?

 

[The One]

Yeates is a huge excuse of a winger. I'd rather put Monty on the wing.

 

[sheffielder]

I am not saying anything is wrong with what you said. Your just quick on anything Quinny

 

[puppet]

I am not saying anything is wrong with what you said. Your just quick on anything Quinny

AH SORRY THOUGHT I WAS BEING CYBER-BULLIED

didnt realise i was quick to post about squinny, i shall look at myself closely in future! think he should be out left though, defos.

 

[SwissBlade]

I think this is being rethunk all the time, you're right Willo and Cresswell are not ideal but who else is there?

Ward and Yeates? Two peas in a pod. All pace but no end product (see Cotterill), we need someone who can deliver a ball into the right places - where the striker wants it, not where he thinks the striker should be (most of the time anyway)

For that reason (and I assume that he's not fully fit for the centre mid) I can understand the reasoning for sticking Willo on the wing, because he has good feet.

Cresswell is a strange one, he plays as a support 3rd striker, but it doesn't really work, he'd be better playing in behind the front two for that.

I agree, try the likes of McAlister or a loanee, but another option is to play a midfield diamond

Monty
Willo Quinn/Doyle
Cresswell/ Ward​

Then get Parino and another full back, as attacking full backs.

Shite idea?

 

[SteelCity Blade]

I dont know why we haven't stuck with those two this season. To me its literally our only sensible option. A right footer with experience of playing on the right and a left footer with experience of playing on the left.....then we have.....no one else who can do either. Its a no brainer IMO.

 

[Railway Blade]

And personally I would have Quinn over Cresswell on the left any day of the week

Same here, in fact I think I would have Simonsen on the wing over Cresswell

 

[sheffielder]

After Williamson comes back this would be my starting 11

Simmo

Lowton Collins Lowry Jordan/or whoever
Yeates Williamson Monty or Doyle Quinn
Bent Evans

At least Quinn works harder than Cresswell. My only worry is Yeates who doesn't look like he wants to play for Adams/us.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Midfield should be:-

Yeates, Williamson, Ertl, Quinn

Good balance, good physical presence, can all pass the ball 5 yards.....sometimes even further!

 

[Grecian2000]

At the moment I would go

Simmo (reluctantly)
Monty Ertl Lowry Parrino (please let him have a left foot)
Lowton Williamson Doyle Quinn
Bent Evans

As much as I don't particularly like the look of it I can't see anything better!

 

[SteelCity Blade]

I would go:-

Simonsen
Lowton, Collins, Lowry, Jordan
Yeates, Williamson, Ertl, Quinn
Evans, Bent​

 

[Gareth]

I think for the next couple of games we're going to "go for it"...

Simmo

Parinno Collins Lowry Jordan

Ward Monty Doyle Creswell*

Bent Evans

* I say Cresswell as I don't think Yeates has done himself any favours when he's come on otherwise he would have gone in.

You've got to think that side is better than where we currently are. That side is nice and balanced, shouldn't get overrun in Midfield and should be creative enough to score the odd goal.

 

[sheffielder]

* Cresswell has not done himself any favours all season and he starts every game

 

[JohnDenver]

I think the reason successive managers have picked Cresswell on the left is because he scored a few goals from wide for Stoke. Not by trickery, but by appearing at the back post when the ball is on the opposite wing, and also from set plays. If he scored a goal every 3-4 games from that spot, then you'd forgive the lack of pace and creativity.

Sadly, we get very few crosses of quality in, and we're poor from set plays. So Cress becomes a problem not a solution.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I think the reason successive managers have picked Cresswell on the left is because he scored a few goals from wide for Stoke. Not by trickery, but by appearing at the back post when the ball is on the opposite wing, and also from set plays. If he scored a goal every 3-4 games from that spot, then you'd forgive the lack of pace and creativity.

Sadly, we get very few crosses of quality in, and we're poor from set plays. So Cress becomes a problem not a solution.

Quinns scored plenty of goals from that position too

 

[Kenilworth]

I'd be happy to stick Yeates out there. Inconsistent no doubt but find me a winger who isn't at this level.

I would add at every level, even Giggs has his off days. Walcott is not on the ball every game, Nani is brilliant or pants, Jarvis at Wolves does not shine in every game but whilst they all work hard their job it is predominantly as an attacking force not a defensive one. It's unreasonable to ask a creative winger to be a better defender than they are an attacker and in urging them to maintain a disproportionate level of defensive cover you nullify their forward threat.

There is a lot of bollocls talked about Cotts still. When Cotts was off his game - he was off his game and he was subbed, so what? That's what you have a bench for. When he was on his game, though, he could destroy teams and virtually won us points where no one else could because as a creative winger he made that vital difference in those games (e.g. Pigs home last season - first half he was unplayable). Now we have got rid of most of our creative, pacey players it's not surprising that we cannot create anything from wide positions and we are the lowest scorers in the league. If you don't play with wingers then you need the full backs to bomb forward and provide width. We have absolutely nothing in that department so we are stuffed both ways.

Yeates is inconsistent but he is the only option we have. He must be played as much as possible and if he is having an off day then change it. Ward used to have pace but seems very reluctant to play wide and take players on. He doesn't work very well in the centre without a striking partner to fend off from and if you are playing 4-5-1 (Blackwell and Speed) then there is no point Ward even being in the squad.

We need a tall, athletic central midfielder (Doyle too similar to what was there already unless someone is being offloaded) with some real presence (a player like Olafinjana at Cardiff e.g.) - Willo is not that player - who can take the game by the scruff of the neck and control it. We need some quality out wide (a player like Sinclair at Swansea) who can make things happen either on their own, on the break, or by feeding quality into the forward pair. We still need some pace at full back or we will keep on conceding becuase we cannot stop crosses reaching the six yard box. We also still need someone who can put the ball in the back of the net (assuming the ball gets there) someone like Kevin Phillips, an experienced head who still has it to offer at this level (Bent was probably all we could afford I suspect).

Lastly - we need a fookin miracle.

 

[oldblade]

Yeates and Quinn is the best option at the moment IMO. Ward is not a winger.

I would like to say give Lowton a go on the right with Yeates on the left but we need a decent left sided player in on loan. Good sides have natural balance on either side with a right and left footer. Yeates and Quinn might not represent good delivery on crosses but give me another combination that could achieve any better with what we've got.

Lowton might be a possibility..

 

[Barney Rubble]

I'd agree with this option of putting Quinn back on the left. Plenty of promise when played in this position but lost his effectiveness like Michael Tonge when he was moved inside.

I think Adams has Doyle and Monty as first choices for the centre, but recognises Willos quality so has tried to make a place for him. For me, Willo's got to start in the centre and then fill our central midfield with one of the other two alongside him.

Yeates is far too inconsistent for the role down the RHS but we have very poor alternative options. This must be the priority for bringing in another player on loan.

All we want is someone who can beat a man, deliver a decent cross, contribute to the goals tally, possess lightning pace and help protect our fragile defense. Problem solved.

 

[puppet]

Barney are you Godfrey who used to write to the Green Un a lot?

 

[Sothall_Blade]

The Norwegian prospect Tonne apparently played left midfield in the "behind closed doors" friendly.
At £45K he's also our most expensive purchase of the transfer window!
Surely he's worth a try given the lack of other options?

Quote from "Killblade" on another thread:-

Tonne:ca. 185 cm/76 kg, serious sensitive left foot. Scored over 15 goals this season for Strindheim from left back position....very good skills, good pace, good stamina, brilliant passes.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Barney are you Godfrey who used to write to the Green Un a lot?

Sadly (? ) not, although I do remember Godfrey in Dad's Army, who used to pee a lot.

For me, Willo's got to start in the centre and then fill our central midfield with one of the other two alongside him.

Also I'd be proposing a midfield contaning Doyle, Monty and Quinny, which doesn't bear thinking about.

BTW I thought Kenilworth's post made whilst I was typing out my reply contained some sensible suggestions for solving our midfield problem, and many of the other weaknesses of the current team but since it requires 4/5 quality signings I'll just have to joi him in his prayers for that 'fookin miracle'. In fact two miracles really - that we stay up this season and McCabe finds his chequebook.

 

[muttsnuts]

I would go:-

Simonsen
Lowton, Collins, Lowry, Jordan
Yeates, Williamson, Ertl, Quinn
Evans, Bent​

Simonsen
Lowton, Collins, Lowry, Jordan
The wife, Williamson, Ertl, Daughter
Evans, Muttsnuts

 

[DP8789]

i remember parping up about our dreadful wing play at the beginning of the season and saying it was highly important we sorted it, we didnt, with many other things. and thats why were league 1 bound.