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Booker4 said:
Gallagher the only realistic option I would guess from that list based on our wage structure. How many times have I had to say this!!!! I've also said that I don't think Wilder could ever possibly have known that Norwood and Fleck would be in such bad form for so long, but I do think we needed another midfielder in the summer and now we're suffering bug style from that lack of competition, but maybe, again, Wilder couldn't bring in who he wanted; we only know of the failed pursuit of Swift.

Nothing personal against you, but I think we look at the likes of Aston Villa and even Fulham and say why can't Wilder bring in Robinson, or Loftus Cheek! Because they offer much higher wages! And if you don't believe me then check the wage figures for the PL.

Now we're totally in the poo it looks like the board are willing to make an exception with Lingaard, according to reports.
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Then we should look abroad. Pay way less for a player from Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue 1 or La liga. The limitation of the staff is why were in the mess we are
 



I think patience may be what is needed with Brewster, he may just be the quality striker his pedigree suggests.
Sadly he's landed into a situation that doesn't allow for the time and games he might need to embed him properly.

Some great comparisons with DCL... look where he's at!
 
LONDON_BLADE said:
I think patience may be what is needed with Brewster, he may just be the quality striker his pedigree suggests.
Sadly he's landed into a situation that doesn't allow for the time and games he might need to embed him properly.

Some great comparisons with DCL... look where he's at!
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comparing Brewster to DCL is chaulk and cheese. DCL is an athlete and had athletic attributes since the beginning as seen with the type of goals he scored on loan at Northampton. Brewster isnt that type of player. He lacks pace and strength, strength of course can be developed however pace cant be. He's more of a Sharp type player
 
Booker4 said:
Gallagher the only realistic option I would guess from that list based on our wage structure. How many times have I had to say this!!!! I've also said that I don't think Wilder could ever possibly have known that Norwood and Fleck would be in such bad form for so long, but I do think we needed another midfielder in the summer and now we're suffering bug style from that lack of competition, but maybe, again, Wilder couldn't bring in who he wanted; we only know of the failed pursuit of Swift.

Nothing personal against you, but I think we look at the likes of Aston Villa and even Fulham and say why can't Wilder bring in Robinson, or Loftus Cheek! Because they offer much higher wages! And if you don't believe me then check the wage figures for the PL.

Now we're totally in the poo it looks like the board are willing to make an exception with Lingaard, according to reports.
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agree with most of that. I think even with injuries had Norwood, fleck, lundstram etc played as they did last season we might have been in trouble but we would be closer to the pack.

But I do think we left massive holes in the squad. I will never know why we didn’t at least use both additional loans. It left us light in too many areas.
 
blades14 said:
Then we should look abroad. Pay way less for a player from Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue 1 or La liga. The limitation of the staff is why were in the mess we are
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Looking abroad is often offered as a solution as if it's so simple. As with signing players that are not desired by our rivals such as McBurnie and Brewster, Lowe, etc. we'd be shopping for the lesser known players. Some come off some won't. I do appreciate that abroad you have flair players who could add something to us in theory. But it doesn't mean that players can replicate that success instantly here. I would say it'll be similar to the Brewster signing, in that we have to be patient. Maybe we could have done that this summer but I don't see why shopping abroad guarantees success anymore than shopping here, it's just that you'll pay less for the risk, but arguably the chance of failure is greater because said players have to adjust to a new playing style (that's usually the biggest hurdle) a new culture/lifestyle and language and not knowing anyone. It's not as if Sheffield is cosmopolitan either but that's less of a factor.

The Scandinavians and Germans offer a higher chance of coming here and succeeding but how many at Norwich made the grade last season, but looked superb in the Championship? No one bought Buendia either, despite all the hype. There is a Pukki type out there somewhere, but I can't recall to many like that. I also would guess our scouting network is not as good as others yet as we've only been in the PL for 1.5 years. It's something we need to improve on in terms of the foreign market, but we've done well with the domestic market by in large in terms of getting us where we are.
 
j woolston said:
My god he's not good enough for us (Liverpool) so sell him to Sheffield United for 20 million plus yes 20 million plus if they can improve him we'll have him back this is a team in the same division you say Jones and Williams maybe they Will maybe they won't at the moment it's obviously Will who would you have Jones or Brewster it's a no brainer Ollie Watkins now Aston Villa just turned 25,Ivon Toney Brentford 24 Even Mitrovic Fulham 26 all obviously better our recruitment is an absolute joke if Aston Villa can get Watkins after the season they had nearly getting relegated why couldn't we because our recruitment is a shambles
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I mean Watkins and mitro we just can’t afford I’m sorry but that’s where we are financially as a club. We can wish it were different I wish money wasn’t a factor in our recruitment but it is an we as fans can’t change that.
 
j woolston said:
My god he's not good enough for us (Liverpool) so sell him to Sheffield United for 20 million plus yes 20 million plus if they can improve him we'll have him back this is a team in the same division you say Jones and Williams maybe they Will maybe they won't at the moment it's obviously Will who would you have Jones or Brewster it's a no brainer Ollie Watkins now Aston Villa just turned 25,Ivon Toney Brentford 24 Even Mitrovic Fulham 26 all obviously better our recruitment is an absolute joke if Aston Villa can get Watkins after the season they had nearly getting relegated why couldn't we because our recruitment is a shambles
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I think you need to fix your keyboard. The punctuation marks don't appear to be working.:D
 
Yogi said:
I mean Watkins and mitro we just can’t afford I’m sorry but that’s where we are financially as a club. We can wish it were different I wish money wasn’t a factor in our recruitment but it is an we as fans can’t change that.
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Why carnt we attract Watkins 30 million shouldn't be out of our range if that keeps us up it's cheap
 
Whilst Brewster hasn't set the world alight, he's been playing in objectively one of the worst performing teams in football history. Judging him based on this isn't exactly the best proxy of ability. Whilst few and far between there's been the odd spark or glimpse of his potential ability.

Ultimately, 20 year olds who are scoring in the Premier league regularly or playing really well aren't going for £20m to a relegation threatened team. Also, a common narrative seems to be, he cost £20m therefore he must be very good. The amount paid has absolutely no bearing on a players ability.

Hindsight suggests a more experienced / established striker would have been better for this season - but the list of obvious and achievable targets isn't exactly long? The fact that he probably wasn't what we needed this year, and maybe a midfielder or LCB would have been better, this isn't his fault!

Like it or not, he's been signed for the long term, and if we go down and he replicates his Swansea scoring record again - these days £20m is pretty much the going rate for a 1 in 2 striker in the Championship (Watkins, Maupay, Mcburnie etc) and it becomes a 'fair' price.

Short version, judge him in 18 months.
 
JonnyD said:
Whilst Brewster hasn't set the world alight, he's been playing in objectively one of the worst performing teams in football history. Judging him based on this isn't exactly the best proxy of ability. Whilst few and far between there's been the odd spark or glimpse of his potential ability.

Ultimately, 20 year olds who are scoring in the Premier league regularly or playing really well aren't going for £20m to a relegation threatened team. Also, a common narrative seems to be, he cost £20m therefore he must be very good. The amount paid has absolutely no bearing on a players ability.

Hindsight suggests a more experienced / established striker would have been better for this season - but the list of obvious and achievable targets isn't exactly long? The fact that he probably wasn't what we needed this year, and maybe a midfielder or LCB would have been better, this isn't his fault!

Like it or not, he's been signed for the long term, and if we go down and he replicates his Swansea scoring record again - these days £20m is pretty much the going rate for a 1 in 2 striker in the Championship (Watkins, Maupay, Mcburnie etc) and it becomes a 'fair' price.

Short version, judge him in 18
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Good post so obviously our recruitment team needs looking at not a lot of ex players on it I constantly see a lot of obscure young people with laptops people who know the game don't need a laptop to know if a player can play or not
 
j woolston said:
Why carnt we attract Watkins 30 million shouldn't be out of our range if that keeps us up it's cheap
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Because it’s not 30 million in isolation we had to fund other transfers aswell. Also Watkins wages will be out of our reach grealish signed a new 74k a week deal this summer. Watkins as a high value transfer will be paid top tier money aswell it won’t match grealish but it will be in the ball park.

Allow me to preempt what I suspect would be your follow up response as to why don’t we pay those wages if it keeps us up it’s worth it. If we could guarantee remaining in the prem then yes we could in isolation afford it. However the response is two fold. Firstly if we do drop those kind of wages will cripple the club negating our ability to construct a squad using parachute payments within the first two years. Also due to those players being in demand we would have to offer competitive contract length aswell as wages circa 4-5 years. This would take us beyond the length of parachute payments and so in the later years of those contracts we’d be in serious financial trouble as ownership doesn’t have the funds to bridge the gap.

Secondly, we as a club are far behind the competitors we now face in terms of off the field infrastructure we have a poor training ground and academy complex with a none existent European scouting network. Improving these things costs money and ownership doesn’t have the funds to pay for them completely off their own bat therefore the club has to generate funds towards this. That means each yeah there needs to be a section of income diverted to this so wages cannot take up all the clubs income every year. Hence why we can afford comparatively large upfront fees with lesser financial commitments over the length of any contracts we sign.
 
Yogi said:
Because it’s not 30 million in isolation we had to fund other transfers aswell. Also Watkins wages will be out of our reach grealish signed a new 74k a week deal this summer. Watkins as a high value transfer will be paid top tier money aswell it won’t match grealish but it will be in the ball park.

Allow me to preempt what I suspect would be your follow up response as to why don’t we pay those wages if it keeps us up it’s worth it. If we could guarantee remaining in the prem then yes we could in isolation afford it. However the response is two fold. Firstly if we do drop those kind of wages will cripple the club negating our ability to construct a squad using parachute payments within the first two years. Also due to those players being in demand we would have to offer competitive contract length aswell as wages circa 4-5 years. This would take us beyond the length of parachute payments and so in the later years of those contracts we’d be in serious financial trouble as ownership doesn’t have the funds to bridge the gap.

Secondly, we as a club are far behind the competitors we now face in terms of off the field infrastructure we have a poor training ground and academy complex with a none existent European scouting network. Improving these things costs money and ownership doesn’t have the funds to pay for them completely off their own bat therefore the club has to generate funds towards this. That means each yeah there needs to be a section of income diverted to this so wages cannot take up all the clubs income every year. Hence why we can afford comparatively large upfront fees with lesser financial commitments over the length of any contracts we sign.
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Watkins coming from Brentford won't be any where near Grealish money
Villa got a player from Brentford we got a player from Liverpool what I see is Villa did there homework we didn't
As for the training ground it's more than good enough for god sake a Paul Scholes quote"if there's a pitch that's enough"maybe there lies the problem Brentford have a forward Toney proven goal scoring record our recruitments not good enough stop looking at stats on a laptop stop listening to agents get out of your nice warm office and go have a look maybe take an ex player with you I'm sure someone like Tony Currie knows a player when he see's one
 
I think he still turns up for training in his full Liverpool tracksuit.
 



blades14 said:
comparing Brewster to DCL is chaulk and cheese. DCL is an athlete and had athletic attributes since the beginning as seen with the type of goals he scored on loan at Northampton. Brewster isnt that type of player. He lacks pace and strength, strength of course can be developed however pace cant be. He's more of a Sharp type player
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Fair enough B14, they are different kinds of striker, but it was not so much to compare abilities as such... more to compare the fact that both were young internationals that were bought without top league experience.
Robbie Fowler and Michael Owen were very different on the athleticism scale, but both were great strikers.
DCL has had, what... 2 or 3 years to mature? Brew... 2 or 3 months so far.
I genuinely didn't think DCL would do as well as he has, who knows with Brew??
 
j woolston said:
Watkins coming from Brentford won't be any where near Grealish money
Villa got a player from Brentford we got a player from Liverpool what I see is Villa did there homework we didn't
As for the training ground it's more than good enough for god sake a Paul Scholes quote"if there's a pitch that's enough"maybe there lies the problem Brentford have a forward Toney proven goal scoring record our recruitments not good enough stop looking at stats on a laptop stop listening to agents get out of your nice warm office and go have a look maybe take an ex player with you I'm sure someone like Tony Currie knows a player when he see's one
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Watkins will be on more money than Brewster as Brewster was on a youth team contract and unlike Chelsea Liverpool don’t pay youth player absolutely sky high wages. Watkins as you point out is 25 and will have asked for a first team starting contract at Villa it will not be a cheap contract.

The training ground isn’t so much an issue in that players can’t be taught or made better there of course they can as that is dependent on coaching. The issue is it holds us back from achieving the highest levels of categorisation this is because of the rules have been shifted to favour large clubs leaving us open to exploitation. Also the building itself is old and due for at least a refurb if not a complete rebuild. If we’re doing that then it makes sense to move it to give us the chance to achieve higher categorisation and this manipulate the system ourselves.
 
j woolston said:
Watkins coming from Brentford won't be any where near Grealish money
Villa got a player from Brentford we got a player from Liverpool what I see is Villa did there homework we didn't
As for the training ground it's more than good enough for god sake a Paul Scholes quote"if there's a pitch that's enough"maybe there lies the problem Brentford have a forward Toney proven goal scoring record our recruitments not good enough stop looking at stats on a laptop stop listening to agents get out of your nice warm office and go have a look maybe take an ex player with you I'm sure someone like Tony Currie knows a player when he see's one
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I think we’ll always have different opinions on Brewster and I’m not saying he’s the best player out there we could’ve got for the money just that financially we can’t compete with villa.
 
Send him to the under 23s and don’t let him back into the first team until he’s scored a Hat Trick.

He’s not going to suddenly start scoring in the premier league, and the FA Cup opposition is only going to get harder. He needs time away from the first team to rediscover where the net is.
 
The lad needs taking out and get games and goals at u 23 level ,he's completely lost .
Richard cadette springs to mind .
 



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