Sander Berge

[Chingo]

He’s that crap that someone will pay around 30-40m for him if he moves , fgs just cos you can’t have pop at mcburnie someone else cops it ... he’s a reyt player

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

He'd look great at Man City.

The problems I had about the transfer are that;

1. It didn't really solve a problem at the time.

2. It wasn't clear (and hasn't been judging by the different roles we've experimented with him in) what position he was to play in our system.

3. It was a 'shit or bust' allowance of the budget when we cried out for a defender, and still do.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

He's got players around him who were the 5th best team in England before lockdown though. He's got players around him who've proved they can perform in the Premier League. He's literally the only one who hasn't amongst our midfielders, so it doesn't really make sense to use that excuse.

I think we can all see our players were punching well above their weight prior to lockdown.
If we do go down which of our midfielders would Premiership clubs be after ?
Put him in Leicester's midfield and he would be a even better player than he has been so far with us.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

I honestly don't think Wilder signed him. He stands out like a saw thumb. He's going to be a quality player but doesn't fit into how we play. The wettest tall guy I've ever seen as well. Have he ever won a header?! We looked like he was trying to be more in their faces first half but looked like a headless chicken.

I suspect he will leave us before long. Arsenal seem interested and they need players.

I don't think Wilder signed him or wanted him, and he's had a massive monk on ever since.

 

[essexblade73]

The team was better before we signed him. Yes, there are other factors, but I genuinely don't think that it's 'clear' we should build our team around a player who has offered very little since he joined us.

You're either blind or stupid if you think Berge has offered very little.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Too good for us. He will be off at the end of the season. Wouldn't surprise me if he hasn't already instructed his agent to sound out some clubs.

Try January. I really think the kid would benefit from being in a better team. We on the other hand will finish off the season with a much more Championship tailored team. If a West Ham, Villa or Palace come sniffing around and the price is right.........I’d bite their fucking arms off.

 

[Working Class Hero]

I think we can all see our players were punching well above their weight prior to lockdown.
If we do go down which of our midfielders would Premiership clubs be after ?
Put him in Leicester's midfield and he would be a even better player than he has been so far with us.

Berge didn't do anything before lockdown either.

 

[Trafford]

Good players shine in poor teams, just look at Grealish last season, but my main issues with Berge are that he never seems to play for more than 15 minutes a game and, for the rest of the time, he doesn’t do much to help his team mates out. It’s no wonder that Fleck and Lundstram tire in games, they’re having to do most of his defensive work for him.

 

[Blade82]

The lad needs a season in the championship to toughen him up and will then be a world beater in the prem

 

[hidesbehindapseudonym]

In 3 years we will think 'fuck he used to play for us" how did we let him go

 

[Captain Obvious]

You're either blind or stupid if you think Berge has offered very little.

Genuinely interested to know what you think he has offered? He's been largely ineffective for me ever since he signed. He doesn't dominate the midfield, doesn't score and doesn't create chances. So, what has he offered?

 

[essyoueffsee]

One of the more mental threads of the day, surprisingly.

 

[alcoblade]

He’s that crap that someone will pay around 30-40m for him if he moves , fgs just cos you can’t have pop at mcburnie someone else cops it ... he’s a reyt player

I’ll have a very confident charity bet that nobody will pay £30m -£40m if we sold him.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

We need to change the system. Play Berge in the middle with a partner. If he's our best player we should be trying to get the best out of him, rather than trying to "shoehorn him in."

 

[Wards]

Genuinely interested to know what you think he has offered? He's been largely ineffective for me ever since he signed. He doesn't dominate the midfield, doesn't score and doesn't create chances. So, what has he offered?

Without checking the stats I believe that since he’s signed he’s scored more than Fleck, Norwood and Lundstram combined hasn’t he?

 

[essexblade73]

Genuinely interested to know what you think he has offered? He's been largely ineffective for me ever since he signed. He doesn't dominate the midfield, doesn't score and doesn't create chances. So, what has he offered?

Composure, technique, picks a pass, ability to ghost past players...none of the other midfielders we have can offer what he provides. Plus he is younger than all of them. Next...

 

[Nedski]

Sander is absolute quality but he needs better/more intelligent players around him to thrive. He's brilliant at creating space, he's hard to tackle when in full flight, he has quick feet for a big guy, but every he time moves forward with the ball he looks up to find his static teammates watching him, not making moves, not getting in to space, and hiding from the ball. That's not his fault. It's frustrating watching it happen time and time again, and he must be getting pissed off at having to turn and play it back to Bash, Egan or our holding midfielder after doing some good work.

Brewster's movement is levels above anyone else at the club; we need to get those two working together to get the best out of both of them.

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

We need to change the system. Play Berge in the middle with a partner. If he's our best player we should be trying to get the best out of him, rather than trying to "shoehorn him in."

At this stage of the season I don't see any value in sticking with a flat three midfield. We're narrowly losing games and it's time we tried to go for it as we are close to 'nothing to lose' territory.

I'd stick him behind the front two and my lineup would be

Ramsdale
Basham Egan Ampadu
Baldock Norwood Fleck Osborn
Berge
McBurnie McGoldrick

 

[essexblade73]

At this stage of the season I don't see any value in sticking with a flat three midfield. We're narrowly losing games and it's time we tried to go for it as we are close to 'nothing to lose' territory.

I'd stick him behind the front two and my lineup would be

Ramsdale
Basham Egan Ampadu
Baldock Norwood Fleck Osborn
Berge
McBurnie McGoldrick

Agree we should ditch the flat midfield 3

 

[Captain Obvious]

Without checking the stats I believe that since he’s signed he’s scored more than Fleck, Norwood and Lundstram combined hasn’t he?

He's scored one goal from open play and a penalty...forgive me for not doing cartwheels over those stats.

 

[Wards]

He's scored one goal from open play and a penalty...forgive me for not doing cartwheels over those stats.

Wouldn’t expect you to. We should expect more but I’m suggesting he’s not being helped at all by non-contributing midfielders around him. Why bother paying any attention to any of the other three when you can double up on Berge and negate our only threat from midfield. It’s too easy for teams to do that, but that is not his fault.

 

[essexblade73]

Wouldn’t expect you to. We should expect more but I’m suggesting he’s not being helped at all by non-contributing midfielders around him. Why bother paying any attention to any of the other three when you can double up on Berge and negate our only threat from midfield. It’s too easy for teams to do that, but that is not his fault.

Spot on. Sander makes a run, looks up, all have gone hiding, only maradona would be able to do something more constructive when his midfield team mates get vertigo anywhere close to the opponent's 18 yard box.

 

[SwissBlade]

The team was better before we signed him. Yes, there are other factors, but I genuinely don't think that it's 'clear' we should build our team around a player who has offered very little since he joined us.

The team was playing at its limits, we didn’t have the depth. But yes the team was fantastic.

Berge gets better every game and is probably the first name on the team sheet now. We’re in a transition period.

I’m not sure we’re building a team around Berge, but we should be playing to his strengths - which is getting the ball on the deck and playing through him and fleck

 

[finlaytheblade]

This lad obviously has more talent than the other players in the squad, but I think we are a worse team with him in it. Sadly he just doesn't fit our style, and no matter where we try and shoehorn him in the side it just doesn't quite work. I'd consider selling him in January, and reinvest the funds on a creative midfielder (assuming we can get our money back for him). In my opinion, he's a player who'd thrive in France or Spain where you get more time on the ball, not sure the Premier league suits him. I'm sure I'll get slated for this, but just my opinion.

You could be right he gets caught in possession too often for my liking.He's obviously got talent but not a natural athlete which with the game being as fast as it is at this level makes him look slow.
He might shine in a better team but all this talk of him going for 40 ish million is way off.
Our midfield was shocking today with Berge and Fleck seemingly playing for the opposition with the turnover of the ball culminating in Fleck caught losing control of the ( for the umpteenth time)ball and Vardy punishing us.
The way Vardy celebrated by deliberately smashing the corner flag shows he still has real fire in his belly (wasnt nice to see for us blades)we could do with a bit of that in our team as confidence is shot.

 

[AdamSufc1997]

You could say same thing about Brewster this style of play is not us but Wilder keeps saying the system isn't the problem...

 

[Mario1889]

If Berge were to be dropped, we’d go from being a poor side to a very poor side.

Had it been him who had the ball just before Vardy’s winner rather than Fleck, we’d all be talking about a decent point against a top side.

 

[Latters]

Wouldn’t expect you to. We should expect more but I’m suggesting he’s not being helped at all by non-contributing midfielders around him. Why bother paying any attention to any of the other three when you can double up on Berge and negate our only threat from midfield. It’s too easy for teams to do that, but that is not his fault.

Alternatively, if your stat that his couple of goals means he has scored more than the others combined is right, you could see it that his arrival has completely stifled the rest of our midfield. Wasn’t Lundstram one of, if not our leading scorer when Berge signed?

 

[Deadbat]

Composure, technique, picks a pass, ability to ghost past players...none of the other midfielders we have can offer what he provides. Plus he is younger than all of them. Next...

I think he can do all those things and shown he can but once or twice a game is nowhere near enough. He has ability but we do not see it. Second half he did absolutely nothing today. Apart from lose it twice, go backwards and now track his runners when they attacked.

Silly comparison maybe as different players but Grealish last year got on the ball and made things happen and got games by scruff of the neck.

Seems that games just pass this lad by. I think he is a good player and has qualities but doing one or two good things a game is nowhere enough.

Its ok having composure and technique and ability to pick a pass and go past players but if you dont do it very often or make things happen then being able to do it matters little.

I am not sure he is anywhere near to the pace of the top flight either. He may get there but not sure that many Prem teams will be queing up to sign him like many think. I can see him ending up in somewhere like France or Spain where the slower pace would suit him more but we will do well to get our money back in my opinion and each week we lost and he does not affect a game much his reputation takes a knock.

There are bigger problems than Berge at the moment but the notion that he is a brilliant player and everyone is letting him down with bad movement or he is too good for us - is not really an argument I am buying. He is a 6/10 most weeks in the team bottom of the league with one point and has scored one penalty and has one assist. We have let in goals every game too so the midfield is not protecting the defence either. Still its all down to Lundstram, Fleck and Norwood I suppose - yet this lad has played average every week but somehow fans seem to think he is too good for us? One I am puzzled by. He could make a great player but he is nowhere near that yet.

 

[Wards]

Alternatively, if your stat that his couple of goals means he has scored more than the others combined is right, you could see it that his arrival has completely stifled the rest of our midfield. Wasn’t Lundstram one of, if not our leading scorer when Berge signed?

It’s another way of looking at it for sure. But as I keep coming back to, Lundstram was running on fumes by January - so what was the alternative?

 

[Latters]

It’s another way of looking at it for sure. But as I keep coming back to, Lundstram was running on fumes by January - so what was the alternative?

Scout and sign a more like-for-like replacement who fit into our system at the time.

Edit: I’ll elaborate on that by saying that once we’d worked out our system worked in this league, surely all our signings should have been like for like in the roles they play, but improvements with Premier League ability. Maybe with one or two back up options who could come in and change the shape (I.e. Freeman.) The best way to build on what we had was to improve the individuals in the same system.