A very sad day for all Blades

[lenners]

We were lucky that anybody was willing to pay a penny compensation for Speed given his appalling track record. If he hadn't walked we'd be looking at sacking him about now and paying him the £1M+ in wages left on his contract. The way I see that deal we're at least £1.5M to the good.

I'd rather have Adams for £150K than Sean "I wouldn't touch Sheffield United with a shitty stick" O'Driscoll for £1M? Now that would have been bonkers...pal!

Jeez, paying compo is down to luck?
Fair play pal, can't argue with that kind of logic.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

While I'd agree with your previous post, what we don't know if manager integrity. Did Speed threaten to resign therefore getting us nothing, did Adams say Vale must be compensated as Adkins did?
But on the face of it without all the facts it does seem strange the amount we paid.

 

[Micalijo]

Mainly because you have interpreted Birch not naming names as a plain war cry for O'Driscoll. Interpret it how you like, but saying that Birch named O'Driscoll is wrong. That's what you're getting stick for. Being wrong. You've just admitted Birch all but named SOD. You were telling us it was SOD.

Birch didn't name him. You said he did. Wrong. Sorry, but there you go.

As far as I know I have never said Birch named him. I aint daft and can read the statement. My point is he all but named him, can you not understand that?

 

[keenzy]

It's a sad day for all Blades who:

Value proper football;

Realised that here was a chance to change the ethos of our club;

Raged at the timid acquiescence that says SUFC aren't allowed to play football - that's for other clubs and other fans - we are not worthy of it;

Wanted an end to Blood and Thunder, battling, kick it long, kick it hard, kick it high, in your face, we're not good enough to play so we'll try hard, alehouse, Sunday League, aimless, turgid, neck-aching, mind-numbing, Neanderthal, agricultural, Nick Montgomerying, Dinosaur Bassetting, crowd-dropping, image-destroying, parochial, kick and rush, punt it up and chase it, awful bloody awful, HOOFBALL!

Well you've got your Dinosaur Bassett apprentice Micky the Hoof and his Hoofy Gang ally Cork. Incredibly some of you want the founder of hoofball, Dinosaur Dave, back to complete the package.

Here's to more of more of the same: Battling Blades, get stuck in, gerritupfield, the ball's a hand grenade, Monty first on the teamsheet, utter, complete, copper-bottomed garbage.

Hoofy is dead: Long live Micky the Hoof!

I despair.

Happy New Year.

What a cock end. Nice support for the club. Fuck off to meadowhall.

 

[Yossarian]

lenners, we can only pay what the club was asking. If they ask for £150k then great. We asked for far less than we were entitled to possibly to get rid of Speed.

Let's put it another way. If QPR rang up this afternoon offering £10 for Monty, what would be your response? Bearing in mind his contract is worth a lot more than that to us.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

Ok, a sad day for me. Here was I thinking Trevor was going to stamp his authority on matters. He basically issued a statement saying we want SOD. I dared to believe that surely if SUFC want Donny's manager he will be on his way, and very quickly.

Not a chance, McCabe bottles it after SOD requests a few 40k a year men come with him and we end up with Blackwell mark 2, only this time with a squad lacking in every single department.

All I ask Mickey is that unlike Blackwell you treat us loyal Blades with respect every time you open your gob. Do that and you have half a chance.

Anyway, here's to more years of Monty being the first name on the teamsheet and to more years of ugly, turgid, longball shite.

Would that be the SOD who has a very average management record - statistically not as good as Adams'.....who has only managed two small town clubs.....whose best ever achievement is getting a team to midtable in the Championship.....who the Donny fans wanted out because his football was tedious & he showed no passion?

I'm happy enough with Micky Adams. However, what we now need is for McCabe to back him in the Juanuary transfer window....unlikely, I know.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Bad example Yoss, selling Monty for a tenner would save us £3 Million in wages and bonus'. Plus I think with Adams in charge Monty might be anchoring the midfield.

 

[Rattly Noise]

What a cock end. Nice support for the club. Fuck off to meadowhall.

Good point. Well made. If anyone really doesn't like the club, who the manager is, who the players are, the way we play etc... then why bother going.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Despite the fact that Port Vale's manager would have very easily walked from there to Bramall Lane.
Just as with the whole management process, a complete set of clueless amateurs.

Even if Adams was willing to work for free, that should have absolutely no bearing on what we pay Port Vale to compensate them for their loss - and given the reaction of their fans, it's a substantial loss that they don't feel 150k covers.

Still, you're presumably reasonably happy that your 2nd choice for the job is going to be appointed?

 

[Ballinpigpubs13]

Why are certain people Having a go at bassett and the long ball he employed at the time? Surely he has been one of United's most successful managers ever?
There was never a dull moment eh?

 

[Micalijo]

These are two very different things. Please acknowledge that you realise this or give us reasons to think that you're not just an(other) attention-seeking drama queen who doesn't know what he's talking about.

As per usual Yoss, I aint got the foggiest what you are on about.

I think Birchy was talking about SOD - maybe he wasn't but it's hardly far fetched of me to believe he was talking about SOD.

 

[lenners]

While I'd agree with your previous post, what we don't know if manager integrity. Did Speed threaten to resign therefore getting us nothing, did Adams say Vale must be compensated as Adkins did?
But on the face of it without all the facts it does seem strange the amount we paid.

Wouldn't make any difference if he was going to walk or not.
I suspect that there was a clause in Speed's contract that triggered his departure for a year's compo or summat similar.
When most managers get sacked these days, they don't get a full pay-up - they get a contractually agreed amount less than that. Often six months or a year.
Which makes it very odd that Port Vale would be in a position to get anywhere near £150,000.
It would smack of panic on our part, in sync with the pretence that we were somehow sitting back until January - which was obviously bollocks.

 

[keenzy]

Good point. Well made. If anyone really doesn't like the club, who the manager is, who the players are, the way we play etc... then why bother going.

Nice.... Have a beer!!

 

[Rustyblade]

What a cock end. Nice support for the club. Fuck off to meadowhall.

So support is completely a one-way street, then? I'm sorry but I've had enough too. Until the club starts doing something to actually earn back my support, you know, like treating me with respect or summat - well, suddenly Meadowhall doesn't seem all that bad a prospect. At least there I usually get what I pay for.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Why are certain people Having a go at bassett and the long ball he employed at the time? Surely he has been one of United's most successful managers ever?
There was never a dull moment eh?

Because a percentage of the long term fans are fed up with the direct tactics and aren't going to matches.

 

[Yossarian]

As per usual Yoss, I aint got the foggiest what you are on about.

I think Birchy was talking about SOD - maybe he wasn't but it's hardly far fetched of me to believe he was talking about SOD.

Then don't create threads based upon that as if it's fact. Otherwise you end up looking like an attention-seeking drama queen. Which you've still yet to provide proof of otherwise.

 

[lenners]

Even if Adams was willing to work for free, that should have absolutely no bearing on what we pay Port Vale to compensate them for their loss - and given the reaction of their fans, it's a substantial loss that they don't feel 150k covers.

Still, you're presumably reasonably happy that your 2nd choice for the job is going to be appointed?

Eh? Compo is decided on the reaction of fans?
For me, it didn't really matter if it wasn't going to be SOD.
It's sad that they've misled the fans again but no surprise.

 

[Micalijo]

I'll do you a deal,Mic.

When this is all over,I will contact someone I know who is very high up at a local club(not The Blades) who has regular contact at Board level with United.

I have never asked him to find out any 'in the know' info before(although he voluntarily told ne about Argyll and Farnan leaving which I put in shoutbox a couple of days before it was announced)as i wouldn't want to jeopodise his position however i will ask him if he could find out if SOD was offered the job and if he was,why was it turned down.(I think he would tell me if SOD was interviewed put probably not be able to tell me the reason for turning us down if he has done so)

What I will say is that,if my contact cannot find this information out,and bearing in mind he has close contacts at the highest level at SUFC,there is not a chance that your 'sources' will have known any facts unless they are actually at board room level at the Blades. I will also find out who made the decision(i.e Birch or McCabe)...I suspect it will have been a joint decision.

I also think that if SOD had turned us down for the reasons stated,John Ryan would have made this public

Please do so, I'd love to find out. Whether SOD walked out before he was offered owt or whether he was offered it and said no, I need to bring em all with me, I don't know, but I am 100% certain we talked to SOD and whilst we'll never know, my take on it is that McCabe wouldn't push the boat out. Fair enough, its up to him and SOD should be able to compromise if he wants the job. Ultinmately, I am in a state of shock that we have Adams and Cork in charge at the end of it all when it is considered what Birchy has said.

 

[lenners]

Then don't create threads based upon that as if it's fact. Otherwise you end up looking like an attention-seeking drama queen. Which you've still yet to provide proof of otherwise.

For goodness sake, it's bleedin' obvious he was talking about SOD which was why he was first choice.

 

[keenzy]

So support is completely a one-way street, then? I'm sorry but I've had enough too. Until the club starts doing something to actually earn back my support, you know, like treating me with respect or summat - well, suddenly Meadowhall doesn't seem all that bad a prospect. At least there I usually get what I pay for.

Hurry... you might catch the end of the sales!!!

 

[Yossarian]

Bad example Yoss, selling Monty for a tenner would save us £3 Million in wages and bonus'. Plus I think with Adams in charge Monty might be anchoring the midfield.

It's not that far from what happened with Speed. Him leaving saved us his wages. We'd still have to replace him with someone who can do the job at a similar or better level. Apparently we should have held out for what he was worth, when in all honesty, Wales probably couldn't have afforded it and we'd still be stuck with him.

 

[bricktop]

It's a sad day for all Blades who:

Value proper football;

Realised that here was a chance to change the ethos of our club;

Raged at the timid acquiescence that says SUFC aren't allowed to play football - that's for other clubs and other fans - we are not worthy of it;

Wanted an end to Blood and Thunder, battling, kick it long, kick it hard, kick it high, in your face, we're not good enough to play so we'll try hard, alehouse, Sunday League, aimless, turgid, neck-aching, mind-numbing, Neanderthal, agricultural, Nick Montgomerying, Dinosaur Bassetting, crowd-dropping, image-destroying, parochial, kick and rush, punt it up and chase it, awful bloody awful, HOOFBALL!

Well you've got your Dinosaur Bassett apprentice Micky the Hoof and his Hoofy Gang ally Cork. Incredibly some of you want the founder of hoofball, Dinosaur Dave, back to complete the package.

Here's to more of more of the same: Battling Blades, get stuck in, gerritupfield, the ball's a hand grenade, Monty first on the teamsheet, utter, complete, copper-bottomed garbage.

Hoofy is dead: Long live Micky the Hoof!

I despair.

Happy New Year.

For fuck sake Dinosaur Dave, Dinosaur Bassett. He took us from being a skint third division club who couldn't pay its way to being a skint top flight club who couldn't pay its way. For 2 years Unitedites turned up at the Lane knowing we would probably win, and usually did, and even if it was hoof, we won games and got promotions. He kept us in the top flight for 4 years where we put a lot of noses out of joint and punched well above our weight considering some of the boardroom shenanighans that went on.

 

[Yossarian]

It's sad that they've misled the fans again but no surprise.

"Although I think it doubtful that we would go for a first-time manager or someone without experience of managing in the Championship, it would be wrong to rule anyone out at this stage.

"If we take away all issues of finance, experience and availability, it is getting the right man that really counts. We would naturally prefer a quick appointment so that the new man can make a start on the job, but we won't rush into a knee-jerk appointment just for the sake of it. If we have to wait a while, so be it.

"We are looking for someone who is filled with the passion to do the job and, judging by the level of applications and expressions of interest we have already had, it is apparent that this is a sought-after post.

"There isn't much money in football at the moment and we have recently reported losses but overall we are in good shape - this will be a great job at a great club which is why so many applicants have contacted us already.

"Yes, it will be a tricky decision, balancing the short and long term needs, and the ideal candidate will need to be in tune with out strategies regarding recruitment and Academy development, but we are determined to make the right decision.

In what way does that not describe Micky Adams?

 

[Micalijo]

Then don't create threads based upon that as if it's fact. Otherwise you end up looking like an attention-seeking drama queen. Which you've still yet to provide proof of otherwise.

This coming from the person who uses disgusting foul and abusive to get his point across and goes for a wank when the going gets tough. Drama Queen, attention seeking etc etc.

Still not a clue what you are on about. I've said on many occassions that Birchy did not mention SOD by name.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Eh? Compo is decided on the reaction of fans?
For me, it didn't really matter if it wasn't going to be SOD.
It's sad that they've misled the fans again but no surprise.

You said that it shouldn't have been that much because Adams was so desperate for the job - I'm saying that is completely irrelevant from Port Vale's point of view.

As for you not really bothering about other candidates, you felt bothered enough at the time Adams and SOD were mentioned to say that Adams would be a decent choice.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

wrong quote Yossi. Mica is right that Adams doesn't fit all the criteria Birch gave out originally and SoD was are main target.
For whatever reason we couldn't land him and ended up with Adams.

 

[Yossarian]

This coming from the person who uses disgusting foul and abusive to get his point across and goes for a wank when the going gets boring. Drama Queen, attention seeking etc etc.

Still not a clue what you are on about. I've said on many occassions that Birchy did not mention SOD by name.

And you're the one that's based a whole rant on this. Nice one.

 

[lenners]

You said that it shouldn't have been that much because Adams was so desperate for the job - I'm saying that is completely irrelevant from Port Vale's point of view.

As for you not really bothering about other candidates, you felt bothered enough at the time Adams and SOD were mentioned to say that Adams would be a decent choice.

Yup, I didn't believe the board about the change in culture and if you're sticking with the Blades Way it was unlikely to be anyone other than Adams.
In general, it'll make bugger all difference. Thousands more are going to walk in May, fed up with the double-talk and bullshit.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

In what way does that not describe Micky Adams?

'Passion for the job' is front and centre in that Birch statement. Of all the candidates we interviewed (allegedly) I'm confident that Adams will have shown more passion than the rest. That shouldn't be the be all and end all, but clearly important to Birch.

 

[Micalijo]

How come you didn't get banned by the way?

I still find it hilarious that you want to argue that Birch was not talking about SOD.