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ALERT!!! Whilst listening to the Chelsea V Liverpool match on Radio 5 last Sunday 20 September , the 'Geordy' commentator said the date was the anniversary of Stamford Bridge's first match in 1905(yes the pie man went there the same year). He also said that the game was the first ever use of BALLBOYS for an association football match.:mad:
Being what I am, I thought surely that cannot be right. Given the topography of the Lane and games being played there since mid nineteenth century, surely the Lane must be one of the first if not the first to use BALLBOYS.
Therefore S2 4SUer's can you throw some light on this subject, hopefully claiming another first for the Lane.:)
Before 1905 they used eunuchs.
 

Na cum on, nice retort but this is serious business, can't have smarmy Frank's FC, southerners, geti'n, one up on us.
Well it's an odd historical fact that he's quoted anyway. It can only be verified if all clubs kept records of their use of ball boys, starting with the very first time. I suppose you have to start with, "what does he mean by ball boys?". Do they have to have been paid to be counted as official? Or do they have to have been appointed by the club to do the job of retrieving the ball, even if they weren't being paid? Or does it have to be their only job during the game (rather than other staff doubling up)?
Being paid makes it easier, because clubs keep accounts. But if not, then it comes down to the efficiency and bureaucracy of the club.
At United, as you say, there will have been an inbuilt need for ball retrieval. They wouldn't have wanted spectators racing each other onto the cricket pitch as soon as a ball went a bit wayward, so either they left it to the players to run the length of the field to fetch their own ball - hard to imagine - or there was a system (however basic) in place.
The problem is, I can't see anyone recording it in an official document. So, a bit like the oldest football ground argument, it comes down to the first recorded use, which is quite possible and what he should have said.
 
ALERT!!! Whilst listening to the Chelsea V Liverpool match on Radio 5 last Sunday 20 September , the 'Geordy' commentator said the date was the anniversary of Stamford Bridge's first match in 1905(yes the pie man went there the same year). He also said that the game was the first ever use of BALLBOYS for an association football match.:mad:
Being what I am, I thought surely that cannot be right. Given the topography of the Lane and games being played there since mid nineteenth century, surely the Lane must be one of the first if not the first to use BALLBOYS.
Therefore S2 4SUer's can you throw some light on this subject, hopefully claiming another first for the Lane.:)
I was always understood, whether fact or fiction that the one and only Fatty Foulkes "invented" ballboy's because he couldn't be arsed to run after the ball when it went behind his net, so paid local lads to fetch it for him. Also, fact or fiction, the term "kept a clean sheet" is attributed to him because at an away game where the opposition played in red and white, they couldn't find an alternative jersey to fit him so they borrowed a large sheet from a local lodging house and wrapped it round him, he didn't let a goal in, so he kept a clean sheet!!
 
I think Silent Blade or Bert might know. were was the Grinders seats or stand at Bramall Lane.
Sasparilla they was a shop on langsett road that sold it in the sixties/seventies.
 
I was always understood, whether fact or fiction that the one and only Fatty Foulkes "invented" ballboy's because he couldn't be arsed to run after the ball when it went behind his net, so paid local lads to fetch it for him. Also, fact or fiction, the term "kept a clean sheet" is attributed to him because at an away game where the opposition played in red and white, they couldn't find an alternative jersey to fit him so they borrowed a large sheet from a local lodging house and wrapped it round him, he didn't let a goal in, so he kept a clean sheet!!
Nice info and now you mention it both stories ring a bell.
Unfortunately Foulkes, as I'm sure you know, played for both clubs so it could be Samford Bridge remembering the topography(dog track).
In 1902, Sept 6( W 1-0 Hedly) Blades played Bury at the Lane. Mitchell&Kenyon(on YouTube)filmed the event showing Foulkes, Thickett and Boyle defending then combining to take a goal kick. Boyle retrieves the ball from the crowd, placed it, and 'pieman' only took the kick. Trained his team mates well, so sounds about right about him organising ball fetchers first.
 
Well it's an odd historical fact that he's quoted anyway. It can only be verified if all clubs kept records of their use of ball boys, starting with the very first time. I suppose you have to start with, "what does he mean by ball boys?". Do they have to have been paid to be counted as official? Or do they have to have been appointed by the club to do the job of retrieving the ball, even if they weren't being paid? Or does it have to be their only job during the game (rather than other staff doubling up)?
Being paid makes it easier, because clubs keep accounts. But if not, then it comes down to the efficiency and bureaucracy of the club.
At United, as you say, there will have been an inbuilt need for ball retrieval. They wouldn't have wanted spectators racing each other onto the cricket pitch as soon as a ball went a bit wayward, so either they left it to the players to run the length of the field to fetch their own ball - hard to imagine - or there was a system (however basic) in place.
The problem is, I can't see anyone recording it in an official document. So, a bit like the oldest football ground argument, it comes down to the first recorded use, which is quite possible and what he should have said.
What a blessing to have such a tidy mind, obviously by birth but no doubt honed by your German residency. :)
Believe it would it be eligible if mention of ball boy use was in a journal of the time. Surely that would give credence, although, it would most likely only come to light when stumbled across and not sought.
 
What a blessing to have such a tidy mind, obviously by birth but no doubt honed by your German residency. :)
Believe it would it be eligible if mention of ball boy use was in a journal of the time. Surely that would give credence, although, it would most likely only come to light when stumbled across and not sought.
Thank you sir. Yes, I was going to mention journals or newspaper reports. The problem is, that would only signify the first mention of it, not when it was first done. It's an interesting one, because we take them for granted, yet there must have been a time before they existed. In the days of all standing, no fences and a crowd almost on the pitch, there probably wasn't much need - except at places like Bramall Lane. So what would make Chelsea see a need for them?
 
I think this shop may have been on Chesterfield Rd, slightly further out of town on the LHS passed the Red Lion.
My old man took me once.
It was 358 Langsett Road, well documented on a Sheffield History page, frequented by snortbeast players in the 60s. It also, unusually, had a neon Durex sign in the window. Leave you to do the jokes.
 
I think this shop may have been on Chesterfield Rd, slightly further out of town on the LHS passed the Red Lion.
My old man took me once.
This one is definitely Langsett Road, but as has been said, there were others dotted about the city. I certainly wasn't aware of the one on Chesterfield Road.
 

It was 358 Langsett Road, well documented on a Sheffield History page, frequented by snortbeast players in the 60s. It also, unusually, had a neon Durex sign in the window. Leave you to do the jokes.

I don't think it was too unusual for a sasparilla shop to sell jonnys. The shop mentioned by Woodwaaard on Chesterfield Rd was our goto shop when we were teenagers. As a youth the lady who always served us seemed to be well past retirement age. She would put the packet in a paper bag and throw in a few boiled sweets for good luck.

Unfortunately, unlike certain posters who would claim their teeth had rotted by the age of 17 due to sucking 2lbs of freeby acid drops a week, mine remained barely tarnished we'll into my 30s.
 
Used to be a shop on Sharrow Vale Road at Hunter’s Bar which had a square yellow lamp with a red clock - when I asked my dad what “sensitol lubricated” meant, he gave the question due consideration, then spent 30 seconds finding his pack of Players and his lighter, lit the fag and said “no idea”......
 
I don't think it was too unusual for a sasparilla shop to sell jonnys. The shop mentioned by Woodwaaard on Chesterfield Rd was our goto shop when we were teenagers. As a youth the lady who always served us seemed to be well past retirement age. She would put the packet in a paper bag and throw in a few boiled sweets for good luck.

Unfortunately, unlike certain posters who would claim their teeth had rotted by the age of 17 due to sucking 2lbs of freeby acid drops a week, mine remained barely tarnished we'll into my 30s.
Boiled sweet instead of a fag for after, never ever thought of that and sadly I'm too old to try.
What an astute old lady she was, she reconed you'd clean your teeth but could do 'nowt about lung cancer.
 
I don't think The Shack and the Himalaya existed at the same time. If we weren't at Heeley baths for our Saturday swimming session, it was Glossop Road followed by a 'frothy coffee' in The Shack. The Himalaya became our default Indian restaurant in the 70s, and I always remember the five star rating from Martin Dawes, the food critic from The Star, being in the window for many years, becoming browner and more brittle as time went by.
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Did the Himalaya become Nirmals ?
 
Apologies, forgot the photo. Trying to multitask, too old it seems.
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I lived upstairs in the Mailcoach for about 6 months in the early 70s ,it was my Uncle Micks pub ,he also had the Railway at Wincobank ,Nottingham house at Broomhill ,Turf Tavern at Handsworth and The Junction at Woodhouse.
 
No, Himalaya further up than Nirmals. They were both established certainly late 80's as I recall. Preferred Himalya.
I didn't like nirmals either, Mrs nirmal was supposed to be the be all and end all and she was a nice person but I didn't rate it. What was the one opposite the entrance to the old royal hospital called?
 
I didn't like nirmals either, Mrs nirmal was supposed to be the be all and end all and she was a nice person but I didn't rate it. What was the one opposite the entrance to the old royal hospital called?

Loved the Himalaya - went there for years.
Was it the New Bengal opposite the old hospital entrance?
It might not be - but I remember going in there several times. Was it the one with the metal spiral staircase up to the bogs? The downfall of many a drunken man those stairs.
 
Mrs Nirmal was just too overbearing, I once let it slip I mixed with some surgeons in my job , big mistake . Wouldn't leave me alone after that . Big on' up selling' her average chutneys too.

I can remember the one opposite the Royal but I can't recall the name. There was another on Rockingham St (?) or one of those cross streets that stayed open til 3am ish . Bombay? Bengal?

One of the waiters challenged my mate after a night there to a 100M race for a tenner at 2.30am. Mark won and promptly threw up over the front window. Never got his tenner. Memries.
 
Loved the Himalaya - went there for years.
Was it the New Bengal opposite the old hospital entrance?
It might not be - but I remember going in there several times. Was it the one with the metal spiral staircase up to the bogs? The downfall of many a drunken man those stairs.
I don't recall the name but that is the reason I remember it, the staircase :) I remember they did great lassi, but I was looked at as a bit of a puff for not staying on the beer
 
I don't recall the name but that is the reason I remember it, the staircase :) I remember they did great lassi, but I was looked at as a bit of a puff for not staying on the beer

I think between me & Paisley Blade might have narrowed down on the name - either the New Bengal or New Bombay.
I remember a lad I played football with going from top to bottom of those stairs & just got up & carried on like nowt had happened! 🤣🤣
I’ve never got the lassi thing but each to their own & can only imagine the stick you got.
 
I think between me & Paisley Blade might have narrowed down on the name - either the New Bengal or New Bombay.
I remember a lad I played football with going from top to bottom of those stairs & just got up & carried on like nowt had happened! 🤣🤣
I’ve never got the lassi thing but each to their own & can only imagine the stick you got.
Bombay ,Im convinced.
 

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