Surprised and slightly disappointed

[Flatulent_Bob]

The cheese eating surrender monkeys own the freehold?????

 

[Ollessendro]

Better to try them in the reserves though than sign them up and then realise they are crap!

like we did with Ertl, France, Taylor, Evans and Kozluk. Oh hang on.

 

[bricktop]

like we did with Ertl, France, Taylor, Evans and Kozluk. Oh hang on.

All Kevin Blackwell signings.

It looks like Gary Speed is trying a different tack

 

[Ollessendro]

I am loving what Speeds doing with the club at the moment, dont get me wrong. I think were playing some nice stuff and even though the results arent there, the performances definately are!

Im very very surprised however, that we have added no players at all to this team over the last 10 days or so. Its obvious we need players and surely any old winger (for example) is better than none at all. Im not having a go at speed here, if he is restricted by finance then theres nothing he can do. Quality over quantity every time ofcourse, but we need someone and, at this stage, ANYONE will do. Everyone knows the problem positions as well as GS, just hope he gets someone in soon or our season could be dead before december!

why are you surprised Blader? This is SUFC and we've seen it time and time again. Last year Birch and McCabe promised not to rely on loan signings and now we are desperate for them. It's clear we have no money to spend and our chairman throws confetti on a string.

I'm disappointed Speed has signed 2 defenders and a reserve keeper. I am also disappointed he hasn't used this period to bring someone is. Disappointed yes, surprised no. Even with Speed as manger, who on earth would want to come to us? Get paid in skittles and pork scrathcings to be surrounding my talentless work horses and face the batlle of your life just to stay in the Championship.

I agree that we should bring some players in. Any winger would do, as we don't have anyone who can play out wide. Take a chance on someonbe for a month. If not (as Speed has chose to do) then get some players in from the youth team. Surely there must be someone who can cross a ball. I can cross a ball better than just about everyone in the first team except Calve. Speaking of him, get him on the right wing. He can cross, beat his man and has a little of the French je ne sais qua (flair).

Same owd, same owd I'm afraid. It will be the same in January, 'we tried to keep Ward and Britton, BUT', 'we tried to sign a few BUT those pesky agents scuppered our plans', 'next year we won't rely on loan signings'

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It looks like Gary Speed is trying a different tack

like not signing anyone at all.

(I've never made a bad singing either).

 

[Cool Clint]

The cheese eating surrender monkeys own the freehold?????

Thats the sunshine band. Whoops now i've done it.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

Have a look at what Dunc? 8 goals in 108 appearances, mainly in Scotland. What can we possibly learn in a short trial that will negate this?

It's the signing of (I know it's not made yet) pointless players who're no better (in this case surely worse) than what we have that has allowed us to squander all the Tevez / parachute payments. Is this really the best that's out there? Then let's not bother looking at him and leave the space open to Jordan Slew.

I'm happy to wait for the right players, as I said in my opening post.

UTB

No idea what the coaches saw in him, but they saw enough to give him an hour in a reserve game. Maybe thats enough and he's on his way. No harm done. As for CV's there is a player I could name who scored 8 goals in 51 games playing in the Championship, but subsequently went on to score 18 in 42 at another club. His name is Billy Sharp. I'm not saying the two are alike, but it is nice to keep an open mind and see for yourself rather than just relying on bare statistics, isn't it? I think that Slew looks a good prospect, but he's only just out the academy and its a lot to ask of the lad to come in and score goals for the first team. Still if Speed thinks he's ready then wheel him out and lets see what he can do.

You have surpassed yer sen on this string Duncs - very, very amusing. You cannot believe what you are typing can you?

What? What??? What is there to believe or not believe. What is wrong with taking a look at the guy. We haven't given him a contract, and who gives a flying one about what Brighton think. Maybe he was just asking too much money. It might help a bit if you open your mind a bit and loose the shackles that prevent you from contemplating possibilities beyond your own opinions. Thats all I've suggested...

 

[alcoblade]

I'm disappointed Speed has signed 2 defenders and a reserve keeper. I am also disappointed he hasn't used this period to bring someone is. Disappointed yes, surprised no.

But you're determined to be disappointed aren't you. How can you be disappointed we signed these players when we're clearly weak there?

I'd share your disappointment about not signing a striker, but the two aren't linked. Maybe he hasn't found anyone who's better than what we have, at the right money. If that's the case then it's to be applauded.

UTB

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No idea what the coaches saw in him, but they saw enough to give him an hour in a reserve game. Maybe thats enough and he's on his way. No harm done. As for CV's there is a player I could name who scored 8 goals in 51 games playing in the Championship, but subsequently went on to score 18 in 42 at another club. His name is Billy Sharp. I'm not saying the two are alike, but it is nice to keep an open mind and see for yourself rather than just relying on bare statistics, isn't it? I think that Slew looks a good prospect, but he's only just out the academy and its a lot to ask of the lad to come in and score goals for the first team. Still if Speed thinks he's ready then wheel him out and lets see what he can do.

Fair points Dunc but I just don't agree. What if he'd scored 5? Would we then give him a wage and a place of the bench? At almost 25, with 8 goals in over 100 appearances at lower level football the stats are the best guide of all. The odds are far higher that we're wasting another wage and displacing another opportunity, whatever that might be. The worrying thing is that we're fishing in this pond at all, but let's not read too much into that until we see who we actually sign.

The comparison with Sharp doesn't hold. Sharp was prolific for long periods at about the same level this fella was a failure. Sharp had a season and a half of loss of form / wrong application. This chap has never done anything, period. He's nearly 25. Pointless, IMHO.

UTB

 

[blader]

why are you surprised Blader? This is SUFC and we've seen it time and time again. Last year Birch and McCabe promised not to rely on loan signings and now we are desperate for them. It's clear we have no money to spend and our chairman throws confetti on a string.

I'm disappointed Speed has signed 2 defenders and a reserve keeper. I am also disappointed he hasn't used this period to bring someone is. Disappointed yes, surprised no. Even with Speed as manger, who on earth would want to come to us? Get paid in skittles and pork scrathcings to be surrounding my talentless work horses and face the batlle of your life just to stay in the Championship.

I agree that we should bring some players in. Any winger would do, as we don't have anyone who can play out wide. Take a chance on someonbe for a month. If not (as Speed has chose to do) then get some players in from the youth team. Surely there must be someone who can cross a ball. I can cross a ball better than just about everyone in the first team except Calve. Speaking of him, get him on the right wing. He can cross, beat his man and has a little of the French je ne sais qua (flair).

Same owd, same owd I'm afraid. It will be the same in January, 'we tried to keep Ward and Britton, BUT', 'we tried to sign a few BUT those pesky agents scuppered our plans', 'next year we won't rely on loan signings'

Agree with that on the whole. Mainly my 'surprise' is that he doesnt appear to have taken a chance on someone for a month, anyone. seriously, ANYONE!

 

[DuncDisorderly]

Fair points Dunc but I just don't agree. What if he'd scored 5? Would we then give him a wage and a place of the bench? At almost 25, with 8 goals in over 100 appearances at lower level football the stats are the best guide of all. The odds are far higher that we're wasting another wage and displacing another opportunity, whatever that might be. The worrying thing is that we're fishing in this pond at all, but let's not read too much into that until we see who we actually sign.

The comparison with Sharp doesn't hold. Sharp was prolific for long periods at about the same level this fella was a failure. Sharp had a season and a half of loss of form / wrong application. This chap has never done anything, period. He's nearly 25. Pointless, IMHO.

UTB

I think we're pretty close in thinking Alco, its just how we are expressing it. Sure the kid has a bit of a chequered past, but fair play to the coaches if they thought they saw something in him. He is supposed to be decent playing wide, which might be why he hasn't scored a lot of goals. He might just be crap but he got picked up by Chelsea as a youngster and has played international U-21 so it suggests that he's not a complete mug. I still maintain the we have enough quality in our strikers but our delivery of the ball into the penalty area is one key area where some significant improvement is required.

The Billy example was a bit facile, this I agree. But Sharps record with us would tell you he wasn't really a striker that could cut it at this level, when of course he is doing exactly that at Donny. Billy has shown that with the right environment he can deliver, and so the same could be true of Morais (but it might not be)...

 

[Bramley]

But you're determined to be disappointed aren't you. How can you be disappointed we signed these players when we're clearly weak there?

I'd share your disappointment about not signing a striker, but the two aren't linked. Maybe he hasn't found anyone who's better than what we have, at the right money. If that's the case then it's to be applauded.

UTB

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Fair points Dunc but I just don't agree. What if he'd scored 5? Would we then give him a wage and a place of the bench? At almost 25, with 8 goals in over 100 appearances at lower level football the stats are the best guide of all. The odds are far higher that we're wasting another wage and displacing another opportunity, whatever that might be. The worrying thing is that we're fishing in this pond at all, but let's not read too much into that until we see who we actually sign.

The comparison with Sharp doesn't hold. Sharp was prolific for long periods at about the same level this fella was a failure. Sharp had a season and a half of loss of form / wrong application. This chap has never done anything, period. He's nearly 25. Pointless, IMHO.

UTB

I think the Portuguese lad is a winger

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why are you surprised Blader? This is SUFC and we've seen it time and time again. Last year Birch and McCabe promised not to rely on loan signings and now we are desperate for them. It's clear we have no money to spend and our chairman throws confetti on a string.

I'm disappointed Speed has signed 2 defenders and a reserve keeper. I am also disappointed he hasn't used this period to bring someone is. Disappointed yes, surprised no. Even with Speed as manger, who on earth would want to come to us? Get paid in skittles and pork scrathcings to be surrounding my talentless work horses and face the batlle of your life just to stay in the Championship.

I agree that we should bring some players in. Any winger would do, as we don't have anyone who can play out wide. Take a chance on someonbe for a month. If not (as Speed has chose to do) then get some players in from the youth team. Surely there must be someone who can cross a ball. I can cross a ball better than just about everyone in the first team except Calve. Speaking of him, get him on the right wing. He can cross, beat his man and has a little of the French je ne sais qua (flair).

Same owd, same owd I'm afraid. It will be the same in January, 'we tried to keep Ward and Britton, BUT', 'we tried to sign a few BUT those pesky agents scuppered our plans', 'next year we won't rely on loan signings'

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like not signing anyone at all.

(I've never made a bad singing either).

As above, I think Morais is a winger.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

In Speedos interview today, he said Morais had real talent but wasn't match fit and that isn't what he's looking for. He wants someone who can come in and make an immediate impact in the first team.

So there...

 

[broomhillblade]

In Speedos interview today, he said Morais had real talent but wasn't match fit and that isn't what he's looking for. He wants someone who can come in and make an immediate impact in the first team.

So there...

He also said he will try to find him a club...

Maybe S6?

 

[Ollessendro]

But you're determined to be disappointed aren't you. How can you be disappointed we signed these players when we're clearly weak there?

I'd share your disappointment about not signing a striker, but the two aren't linked. Maybe he hasn't found anyone who's better than what we have, at the right money. If that's the case then it's to be applauded.

What, a reserve keeper? Can you please tell me what value Wright has added to the squad? Oh he was marevellous in that reserve game the other night!?

Not better than what we've got?? Come on alco, you are a smart guy. Are you seriously telling me that Gary Speed couldn't get his hands on a striker that is not better than what we've got? You could get a fat ale house playing 5 a side on Wednesday nights at Pittsmoore who would probably do better than Ched and Cresswell. Still, Speed did manage to trial the only striker in the football who is worst than Evans!?

Agree with that on the whole. Mainly my 'surprise' is that he doesnt appear to have taken a chance on someone for a month, anyone. seriously, ANYONE!

More blind faith in Evans from Speed.

I think we're pretty close in thinking Alco, its just how we are expressing it. Sure the kid has a bit of a chequered past, but fair play to the coaches if they thought they saw something in him. He is supposed to be decent playing wide, which might be why he hasn't scored a lot of goals. He might just be crap but he got picked up by Chelsea as a youngster and has played international U-21 so it suggests that he's not a complete mug. I still maintain the we have enough quality in our strikers but our delivery of the ball into the penalty area is one key area where some significant improvement is required.

The Billy example was a bit facile, this I agree. But Sharps record with us would tell you he wasn't really a striker that could cut it at this level, when of course he is doing exactly that at Donny. Billy has shown that with the right environment he can deliver, and so the same could be true of Morais (but it might not be)...

More blind faith in Speed from the fans.

 

[Foxy]

Still, Speed did manage to trial the only striker in the football who is worst than Evans!?

Who would that be?

More blind faith in Evans from Speed.

...and yet he's the man who probably sees the most of him and who's job and reputation depends on his selections.

 

[beechblade]

More blind faith in Speed from the fans.

Why is it blind faith? People just want to support the manager and team, after a man who called and cried for a change so much you haven't even tried to support this change. Is this just part of your internet persona that you have created or have you totally lost faith in everything that is Red and White, everything that is SUFC? If you have I'd say your pretty much done with this industry or the team.

Yes we all know things aren't bloody perfect but we're trying and hoping that Speed brings around a change for the better of this club, the majority of us can see he's trying... but we are also under no illusions that his hands are tied as well. Do you really think anything would be any different with another manager brought in at the sametime as Speed? Because I don't, he has to work with what he's got and the funds available to him at present, try and back the man and the team you might enjoy it a bit more.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Why is it blind faith? People just want to support the manager and team, after a man who called and cried for a change so much you haven't even tried to support this change. Is this just part of your internet persona that you have created or have you totally lost faith in everything that is Red and White, everything that is SUFC? If you have I'd say your pretty much done with this industry or the team.

Yes we all know things aren't bloody perfect but we're trying and hoping that Speed brings around a change for the better of this club, the majority of us can see he's trying... but we are also under no illusions that his hands are tied as well. Do you really think anything would be any different with another manager brought in at the sametime as Speed? Because I don't, he has to work with what he's got and the funds available to him at present, try and back the man and the team you might enjoy it a bit more.

Well put beechblade. We definately have to remain aware of how difficult the job is for him. He's a young manager that has been given a big job and even though we are entitled to criticise we have to see the bigger picture and absolve those that do not deserve the blame. IMO the manager is the main one.....he's working with someone else's team and not a lot of room to manouvre.

Gary Speed was a fabulous player and although the jury is out on whether he will be as good a manager yet, the signs are that he can be and he talks a very good game in that context so lets just see. At the moment I think his main priority will be to get the team scoring goals and addressing the inconsistent home form for a start. Its very difficult for him to try and overhaul things and get his own ideas across when pressure is on to pick points up. With a bit of money and patience, I feel he can do it but it is very misguided to blame him for anything at this stage.

 

[Ollessendro]

Why is it blind faith? People just want to support the manager and team, after a man who called and cried for a change so much you haven't even tried to support this change. Is this just part of your internet persona that you have created or have you totally lost faith in everything that is Red and White, everything that is SUFC? If you have I'd say your pretty much done with this industry or the team.

Yes we all know things aren't bloody perfect but we're trying and hoping that Speed brings around a change for the better of this club, the majority of us can see he's trying... but we are also under no illusions that his hands are tied as well. Do you really think anything would be any different with another manager brought in at the sametime as Speed? Because I don't, he has to work with what he's got and the funds available to him at present, try and back the man and the team you might enjoy it a bit more.

Speed has showed little to warrant that he is the right man for the job. Results are poor, performances and no better and we are really struggling. His transfer market dealing have been questionable, jis tactics extremely negative, his formations dubious and his blind faith in talentless players a concern. Hence, in my opinion, fans who are 100% behind him, completely ignoring the facts, hoping that he will turn things around (even when the evidence suggests otherwise) are showing blind faith.

Have I lost faith in everything Red and White? Well, the hotel looks good and Chengdu got promoted last year.

Do I think that another manager could be doing better. Absolutely. Mark Robbins turned round a poor Barnsley side immediately, Kendall got us playing well quickly in 1996 and I'm sure there are many other examples of new managers having an immediate impact. Don't get me wrong, Speed has a real tought job on his hands. Blackwell left him an awful set of resources and he is facing an uphill battle. But to answer the to your question is yes imo.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Hence, in my opinion, fans who are 100% behind him, completely ignoring the facts, hoping that he will turn things around (even when the evidence suggests otherwise) are showing blind faith.

I'm guilty of "blind faith" then, Olle.

Actually, my (our) eyes are wide open and we know what the score is. I have the patience to give the guy a chance and I think jumping on the guy's back - and the fans that have "blind faith", after a handful of matches, is totally puerile

 

[Bramley]

Speed has showed little to warrant that he is the right man for the job. Results are poor, performances and no better and we are really struggling. His transfer market dealing have been questionable, jis tactics extremely negative, his formations dubious and his blind faith in talentless players a concern. Hence, in my opinion, fans who are 100% behind him, completely ignoring the facts, hoping that he will turn things around (even when the evidence suggests otherwise) are showing blind faith.

Have I lost faith in everything Red and White? Well, the hotel looks good and Chengdu got promoted last year.

Do I think that another manager could be doing better. Absolutely. Mark Robbins turned round a poor Barnsley side immediately, Kendall got us playing well quickly in 1996 and I'm sure there are many other examples of new managers having an immediate impact. Don't get me wrong, Speed has a real tought job on his hands. Blackwell left him an awful set of resources and he is facing an uphill battle. But to answer the to your question is yes imo.

Next time I'm seeking advocacy Ollie, I'll sack off the £265 p/h barrister and appoint you. You construct a compelling and reasoned argument.

 

[Ollessendro]

Next time I'm seeking advocacy Ollie, I'll sack off the £265 p/h barrister and appoint you. You construct a compelling and reasoned argument.

once again, you can't construct and argument so your resort to sarcasm. How very boring.

I'm guilty of "blind faith" then, Olle.

Actually, my (our) eyes are wide open and we know what the score is. I have the patience to give the guy a chance and I think jumping on the guy's back - and the fans that have "blind faith", after a handful of matches, is totally puerile

So you think that all Blades should completely get behind Speed, not question his judgement, not criticise him (not matter how bad it gets), be patient and give him time?

How long should we give him before we can start questioning his decisions, tactics, player choices, etc etc?

 

[alcoblade]

How long should we give him before we can start questioning his decisions, tactics, player choices, etc etc?

Are you asking a serious question here Olle? Lets face it, if it's in red and white stripes you'll be "questioning it" from the off.

You've got intelligence and opinion. Why on earth you spend the whole 100% of it "hating the club you love" is beyond me. You can tell by my posts that I'm far from happy with everything at BDTBL. But I can still find plenty of positives.

I was just about to end with a "why do you bother" line, but was reminded that other than hundreds of endless posts on here, you don't actually bother. It is rather strange, isn't it?

UTB

 

[Ollessendro]

Are you asking a serious question here Olle? Lets face it, if it's in red and white stripes you'll be "questioning it" from the off.

You've got intelligence and opinion. Why on earth you spend the whole 100% of it "hating the club you love" is beyond me. You can tell by my posts that I'm far from happy with everything at BDTBL. But I can still find plenty of positives.

I was just about to end with a "why do you bother" line, but was reminded that other than hundreds of endless posts on here, you don't actually bother. It is rather strange, isn't it?

UTB

Morning alco. Yes, the question is very serious. The question was aimed at Bornon Shoreham, but it is open to everyone. People are giving me stick for questioning Speed. Apparently I'm inpatient and unrealistic. So, I want to know how long people are going to give Speed? Is it Novemeber? Christmas? February? April? Or League One in May?

For all the reasons in my last pot I DO NOT see any green shoots. If I did, then I'd give Speed a break. Other than outplaying a lacklustre Derby I've seen nothing to warrant Speed being given my devoted blind faith. I'm a cynic and until showed otherwise (by attacking performances, players looking comfortable on the ball, crisp passing and results) then I am not going to get all happy clappy. I have laid down a challenge to many, but have not been given a satisfactory answer. I'll say it again if people can show me evidence of why Speed things will turn things around then I'll listen.

As for the why bother bit. Well I'm glad you've not posted telling me to keep my opinions to myself. There's been plenty of speculations about why I post like I do and a few have got warm (though some are very cold). Perhaps there should be a thread delving into it!?

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Oh fuckinghell the skys falling in booooooooo McABE OUT SPEED OUT BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Cool Clint]

Simple question Olle Do you want Speed sacked? who do you want to replace Him? Please no long drawn out Bla bla bla.

 

[Ollessendro]

Simple question Olle Do you want Speed sacked?

No.

Just because I am not showing blind faith doesn't mean that I want Speed to be sacked. As a fan I reserve the right to criticise if I think he gets it wrong. He is definately getting it more wrong than right at the moment (imo).

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

So you think that all Blades should completely get behind Speed, not question his judgement, not criticise him (not matter how bad it gets), be patient and give him time?

How long should we give him before we can start questioning his decisions, tactics, player choices, etc etc?

Yes - I can think what I like behind closed doors but on match day he has my total support as do the lads in red and white.

A damn sight longer than you're prepared to give him. How many matches is it now he's had? 9? How about another 40 odd?

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People are giving me stick for questioning Speed.
QUOTE]

No! We are giving you stick for being an "I want it now" fan.

Ain't gonna happen, never will, get real.

 

[Ollessendro]

Yes - I can think what I like behind closed doors but on match day he has my total support as do the lads in red and white.

A damn sight longer than you're prepared to give him. How many matches is it now he's had? 9? How about another 40 odd?

Is that not whaht I am doing? It hardly like Speed will be reading my comments and getting worried. And what's to say that when I am at the games (when I'm not fixing this bloody shed) that I am not behind the teams.

Personally I don't want us to get relegated. That 40odd period could easily see us being taken to League One. If Speed's team keeps us this forum then we could get relegated. Are you seriosuly telling me that you won't start questioning the manager if we are still playing like this after 20 more games and we are in the bottom 3 in March?

 

[alcoblade]

Is that not whaht I am doing? It hardly like Speed will be reading my comments and getting worried. And what's to say that when I am at the games (when I'm not fixing this bloody shed) that I am not behind the teams.

Personally I don't want us to get relegated. That 40odd period could easily see us being taken to League One. If Speed's team keeps us this forum then we could get relegated. Are you seriosuly telling me that you won't start questioning the manager if we are still playing like this after 20 more games and we are in the bottom 3 in March?

Questioning after 30 games and 6 months is different to 3 games and 3 weeks.

UTB

PS - was it a good session?

 

[Ollessendro]

Questioning after 30 games and 6 months is different to 3 games and 3 weeks.

UTB

PS - was it a good session?

yep, when we are already relegated. It's been 9 games and we look worst than under Blackwell. Look at the stick Hodgson is getting at the Scousers and he has had the same amount of games in charge as Speed.

 

[alcoblade]

yep, when we are already relegated. It's been 9 games and we look worst than under Blackwell. Look at the stick Hodgson is getting at the Scousers and he has had the same amount of games in charge as Speed.

LOL - you represent everything that's wrong about the modern football fan. Thank fuck you've found Meadowhall.

UTB