Bugger off mr chairman!!!!

[gavtheblade]

:thumbdown::thumbdown:I dont know about you,but this surely cannot go on for much longer.The promise of funds over the last 12months hasnt materialised,and promise of investment hasnt either.I like gary speed and i think he COULD do well for us with good support from the chairman and his glove puppet mr birch.But if we keep up at this rate we will be staring into the unthinkable,and without fresh faces it may become harsh reality.The style of play maybe better,but the players are not good enough to address speeds way of thinking.We maybe a team of tryers but that attitudes begining to look a bit thin now,our players are simply not good enough barring a few of them.Its Gary speed who i feel sorry for.The only backing he gets is from us supporters,i just hope sooner rather than later he gets the backing he deserves.Board out.simple.utb and back speedo.:thumbup:

 

[Micalijo]

Spot on Gav.

When it turns nasty, and yesterday there were the first signs of discontent, I just hope the venom is centred on the directors box not the dug-out. Couldn't care less if the players get some stick. Has McCabe been turning up this term?

 

[boo radley]

Oh no the sky is falling the sky is falling

 

[Houso]

Yes, please take all the money we owe you and put us into admin; new investors are just queuing up to take over.

Newsflash - club owners are not the same as club managers.

 

[Foxy]

,and promise of investment hasnt either.

I don't recall anyone "promising" investment in the slightest? They merely said they were actively seeking it and have had positive talks with regards to a Malaysian sponsorship deal.

Who in the right mind would want to invest in us at the moment? Yes, on paper we are a much better investment than a number of options out there, but why would you want to come somewhere rapidly gaining a reputation for being impatient and hounding people out?

People wanted Blackwell out, he was outted. People wanted a change in style (however you rate our performances, it's hard to question there is an intent to change the way we play).

Now, because it's not immediately worked, we are discussing outting the board?

Who would want to actively buy into that climate? buying into a game where it's almost impossible to make significant money on your investment.

Board out.

Without the current board, we wouldn't have Speedo. The only way you are going to get rid of the current board is to buy them out, fancy doing that?

Oh, and as part of that, you'll have to take on the debts that the current owner isn't in the process of demanding back.

 

[Micalijo]

I've had an idea and I've ordered an initial batch of 500 bright green scarves with the words 'McCabe, F*** your property' on em - bit of a punt I must admit. Will be flogging em at £5 a time next home game, London Road. The protest starts here. 'Love United, hate McCabe.'

 

[gavtheblade]

Sorry to the board,im enjoying seeing our club going backwards at an alarming rate.MCCABES GOT MONEY,LOTS OF IT.WHY THE FUCK ISNT HE INVESTING IT IN THE TEAM,TELL YOU WHAT,FUCK IT,LETS ALL GO AND WATCH THE SYRIAN NATIONAL TEAM NEXT WEEK TO SEE ANOTHER ONE OF HIS TOTAL WASTE OF SPACE FUKIN INVESTMENTS.but were alright as we are arnt we.

 

[lenners]

Come on Foxy, this isn't about one bad performance on the pitch, this is about McCabe's whole reign.
And let's have less of the really tiresome guff about impatience. One year out of 17, soon to be 18, in the top flight cannot by any reasonable measure make us impatient.
As you said, who in their right mind would want to invest in us at the moment.
So why did we have that utterly pointless comment from Birch the other day? Maybe to soften us up for what's coming in the accounts pretty soon?

 

[Foxy]

Sorry to the board,im enjoying seeing our club going backwards at an alarming rate.MCCABES GOT MONEY,LOTS OF IT.WHY THE FUCK ISNT HE INVESTING IT IN THE TEAM,TELL YOU WHAT,FUCK IT,LETS ALL GO AND WATCH THE SYRIAN NATIONAL TEAM NEXT WEEK TO SEE ANOTHER ONE OF HIS TOTAL WASTE OF SPACE FUKIN INVESTMENTS.but were alright as we are arnt we.

I never said we were alright or going forwards. He's already put more money in than any of us could hope to have, but he gets critisised for that too, as he's apparently trying to rob us blind.

Would we all sell any property we own and throw it at the Blades? only to be critisised when it doesn't immediately work?

Come on Foxy, this isn't about one bad performance on the pitch, this is about McCabe's whole reign.
And let's have less of the really tiresome guff about impatience. One year out of 17, soon to be 18, in the top flight cannot by any reasonable measure make us impatient.
As you said, who in their right mind would want to invest in us at the moment.

We currently have fans murmoring that Speed is a rubbish manager and a bad choice, that he's going to get us relegated... After how many games of his management career?

If that isn't impatience, I fear I've misunderstood it's definition.

Maybe to soften us up for what's coming in the accounts pretty soon?

We'll see won't we, will we read them all this time though? or just the bits we can use to critisise certain people?

 

[Micalijo]

Looking forward to learning what Trevor is on. These insolvency specialists do not come cheap.

You think chucking Blackwell out was a sign of impatience? It was a ridiculously long process, another cock-up by the board, as we are finding out now as Speed struggles with what he was left. AMazed he took the job actually because he is danger of ruining his career in management before it has started.

 

[lenners]

Foxy, you may recall that the club put out a statement pointing out we'd made a profit last time so I really do not think we have to take any lessons at all from the likely 'official version' that'll be put out soon.
So yes, we will read the accounts and we will see them for what they are - just like we did last time.
No-one knows how good a manager Speed is but he has so far insisted we are aiming for the play-offs in complete contrast to the performances/players on the pitch.
We have scored four goals in eight games since he took over and have produced one good 90 minute performance.
He'll be rightly judged by results if he really believes we are a play-off team.
If he acknowledges the truth and asks/demands help from the board - something he should have insisted upon when he took the job - then he deserves longer.

 

[Sean the Blade]

May I just point something out to everyone, on either side of the pro/anti McCabe divide.

It is frequently said, by fans and officials, that McCabe has "Put £50 million into the club". I don't deny this, but the way it is said, it is as if he has simply gifted the club this outrageous sum. We seem to forget that this money has been LOANED to the club. Unless we go into administration McCabe's £'s are safe, he will get his money back, more than can be said for some his property portfolio.

 

[gavtheblade]

The board have made more money in player sales in the last four years without much going back on the pitch.we got a nice hotel though.thats a sound investment,we all will get much enjoyment driving past the hotel entrance seeing the prawn sandwich brigade flash there cash around.

 

[Foxy]

Foxy, you may recall that the club put out a statement pointing out we'd made a profit last time so I really do not think we have to take any lessons at all from the likely 'official version' that'll be put out soon.

Are you suggesting that the official accounts will be falsified?

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The board have made more money in player sales in the last four years without much going back on the pitch.we got a nice hotel though.thats a sound investment,we all will get much enjoyment driving past the hotel entrance seeing the prawn sandwich brigade flash there cash around.

Where do you suppose we pay the wages and costs from? because season ticket sales don't cover it.

 

[gavtheblade]

speed Must be given time.if he manages to gets some cash out of daddy warbucks hes a real chance of getting us somwhere.but the IF is a massive IF,and thats the reason i started this thread,the ambition of the board has taken a nosedive.

 

[Micalijo]

Foxy, how about telling Monty and Cresswell and Quinn to stuff their new contracts and sign players we can afford. If we go down so be it but let's spend what we can afford, We are a well supported viable club in theory although the property debt complicates matters somewhat!

 

[lenners]

Nice try Foxy.
I said the club put out a statement saying we'd made a £6m profit.
When you examined how that was arrived at it was solely down to the Tevez money being accounted for up front.
We don't owe £50m to McCabe - that much was clear from the accounts. A large chunk is owed to the bank.
I can't be arsed to check at the moment but I'm pretty sure interest is at least on paper attached to loans.
As for Speed, frankly they maybe right rather than impatient. We've appointed a novice in a crisis situation.
I think it's too early to tell but I wouldn't be smugly thinking how impatient they are.
I thought Robson should have a bit of time but plenty of fans had him nailed before his first match.
Turned out they were right rather than impatient.

 

[gavtheblade]

So foxy,are we the only club that has to pay wages that are not covered by faltering season ticket sales??every club in the land is in the same boat.

 

[Foxy]

Nice try Foxy.
I said the club put out a statement saying we'd made a £6m profit.
When you examined how that was arrived at it was solely down to the Tevez money being accounted for up front.

Did it say anywhere in the accounts that they hadn't accounted for the Tevez money? if not, then I don't see where the accounts are incorrect?

You've examined how it was arrived at, which is what the document is to actually show is it not?

We don't owe £50m to McCabe - that much was clear from the accounts. A large chunk is owed to the bank.
I can't be arsed to check at the moment but I'm pretty sure interest is at least on paper attached to loans.

That is my entire point, however, the often repeated myth is that McCabe is charging us 10% on everything we owe. He simply isn't.

Foxy, how about telling Monty and Cresswell and Quinn to stuff their new contracts and sign players we can afford. If we go down so be it but let's spend what we can afford, We are a well supported viable club in theory although the property debt complicates matters somewhat!

We kept certain players as the clubs management decided it was key for us to hold down a spine of the team. Had we got rid of Cresswell for example (top scorer last year and joint top scorer so far this year) and brought in some unknown from the lower leagues then instead of "if we go down, so be it", it'd have been "once again, we've got rid of our top goalscorer because we have no ambition".

As for Speed, frankly they maybe right rather than impatient. We've appointed a novice in a crisis situation.
I think it's too early to tell but I wouldn't be smugly thinking how impatient they are.
I thought Robson should have a bit of time but plenty of fans had him nailed before his first match.
Turned out they were right rather than impatient.

I'm not being smug, nor am I saying anyone is wrong, I simply that it shows incredible impatience to be writing off a man after so few matches.

So foxy,are we the only club that has to pay wages that are not covered by faltering season ticket sales??every club in the land is in the same boat.

Of course we aren't, we have to pay them somehow. Some clubs choose to do this by witholding payments to the tax man and charities, we do it differently. I'm not sure how other clubs having to pay wages really effects how our money is spent though?

 

[SwissBlade]

So the last manager wasn't the problem and we can't have a go at Speed because everyone's giving him a chance so lets turn on the board... Whoopee!

Perhaps we'd be better off just turning on our own fans for not getting behind the club!

 

[sheffielder]

:thumbdown::thumbdown:I dont know about you,but this surely cannot go on for much longer.The promise of funds over the last 12months hasnt materialised,and promise of investment hasnt either.I like gary speed and i think he COULD do well for us with good support from the chairman and his glove puppet mr birch.But if we keep up at this rate we will be staring into the unthinkable,and without fresh faces it may become harsh reality.The style of play maybe better,but the players are not good enough to address speeds way of thinking.We maybe a team of tryers but that attitudes begining to look a bit thin now,our players are simply not good enough barring a few of them.Its Gary speed who i feel sorry for.The only backing he gets is from us supporters,i just hope sooner rather than later he gets the backing he deserves.Board out.simple.utb and back speedo.:thumbup:

What is your plan for when the chairman buggers off? Come on 'Gav' spill...

fooking ell

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The board have made more money in player sales in the last four years without much going back on the pitch.we got a nice hotel though.thats a sound investment,we all will get much enjoyment driving past the hotel entrance seeing the prawn sandwich brigade flash there cash around.

You sound the type who might come out with the following.. 'but he drives a fucking Bentley'

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I never said we were alright or going forwards. He's already put more money in than any of us could hope to have, but he gets critisised for that too, as he's apparently trying to rob us blind.

Would we all sell any property we own and throw it at the Blades? only to be critisised when it doesn't immediately work?



We currently have fans murmoring that Speed is a rubbish manager and a bad choice, that he's going to get us relegated... After how many games of his management career?

If that isn't impatience, I fear I've misunderstood it's definition.

We got to ride this one out and I'm far from being a Speed fan. We're stuck with both Speed and Mccabe, like it or lump it. We've got to ensure we don't go down the piggie route of changing our manager every 18 months, it's the route to the third if we do that.

 

[lenners]

Did it say anywhere in the accounts that they hadn't accounted for the Tevez money? if not, then I don't see where the accounts are incorrect?

You've examined how it was arrived at, which is what the document is to actually show is it not?



That is my entire point, however, the often repeated myth is that McCabe is charging us 10% on everything we owe. He simply isn't.




We kept certain players as the clubs management decided it was key for us to hold down a spine of the team. Had we got rid of Cresswell for example (top scorer last year and joint top scorer so far this year) and brought in some unknown from the lower leagues then instead of "if we go down, so be it", it'd have been "once again, we've got rid of our top goalscorer because we have no ambition".




I'm not being smug, nor am I saying anyone is wrong, I simply that it shows incredible impatience to be writing off a man after so few matches.



Of course we aren't, we have to pay them somehow. Some clubs choose to do this by witholding payments to the tax man and charities, we do it differently. I'm not sure how other clubs having to pay wages really effects how our money is spent though?

For goodness sake Foxy, I was making the point about the kind of impressions that the club tries to make - last year's accounts being an absolute prime example.
I didn't say they falsified the accounts, I said they bleated about making a profit when that was not within a million miles of the real story of the accounts - as you will very well know.
As for the interest payments, apart from whatever's charged by McCabe we're definitely getting charged interest by the bank on the £20m for the hotel.
I'm not quite sure what your point is. We owe lots of money to different people and get charged interest. Sounds pretty much like what happens when you borrow shedloads.

 

[Santos]

Sorry to the board,im enjoying seeing our club going backwards at an alarming rate.MCCABES GOT MONEY,LOTS OF IT.WHY THE FUCK ISNT HE INVESTING IT IN THE TEAM,TELL YOU WHAT,FUCK IT,LETS ALL GO AND WATCH THE SYRIAN NATIONAL TEAM NEXT WEEK TO SEE ANOTHER ONE OF HIS TOTAL WASTE OF SPACE FUKIN INVESTMENTS.but were alright as we are arnt we.

Better idea, why don't you pull your finger out and make millions out of business then you will have money, lots of it and you can fucking invest it in the team.


Love united, hate macabe? Get a grip you saddos.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Typical football fans. Things aren't going well so you look for one person to blame. Someone has to be put up on that crucifix dont they?

Instead of blaming one individual (one who has invested personal fortunes in the club), try looking at the bigger picture and you'll realise that our plight is down to the collective, not an individual. A culmination has led to where we are now. Far too much finger pointing as usual, rather than suggesting ways to move forward.

 

[Houso]

Some people go straight to the manager for someone to criticise.

Others, like Mic, store a constant disliking of owners/chairman.

The amusing thing is that if someone really wanted to buy us, they could have done by now. So all this bleating about getting McCabe out, is ridiculous in the extreme as if he suddenly DID want out, then we'd be in administration and on our way to play the pigs next season.

 

[Bramley]

I never said we were alright or going forwards. He's already put more money in than any of us could hope to have, but he gets critisised for that too, as he's apparently trying to rob us blind.

Would we all sell any property we own and throw it at the Blades? only to be critisised when it doesn't immediately work?



We currently have fans murmoring that Speed is a rubbish manager and a bad choice, that he's going to get us relegated... After how many games of his management career?

If that isn't impatience, I fear I've misunderstood it's definition.

We got to ride this one out and I'm far from being a Speed fan. We're stuck with both Speed and Mccabe, like it or lump it. We've got to ensure we don't go down the piggie route of changing our manager every 18 months, it's the route to the third if we do that.

Agree. We've got to show patience.

 

[Foxy]

For goodness sake Foxy, I was making the point about the kind of impressions that the club tries to make - last year's accounts being an absolute prime example.
I didn't say they falsified the accounts, I said they bleated about making a profit when that was not within a million miles of the real story of the accounts - as you will very well know.

They said they made a profit, including the handling of the "Tevez money" which was detailed in the very same document? Which is kinda the real story and only story?

Who's it fooled? it certainly didn't fool me.

As for the interest payments, apart from whatever's charged by McCabe we're definitely getting charged interest by the bank on the £20m for the hotel.
I'm not quite sure what your point is. We owe lots of money to different people and get charged interest. Sounds pretty much like what happens when you borrow shedloads.

My original point was that people read and regurgitate what they want to in order to suit their viewpoint/cause. Rather than taking things at actual face value and getting the facts of the matter straight before forming an opinion.

 

[lenners]

No Foxy, the real story was we needed to find £4m before we kicked off to ensure we would remain a going concern.
You must remember, it was in the statement...
I'd be surprised if the Tevez money was mentioned in the statement as well but I stand to be corrected.

 

[gavtheblade]

i thought the tevez money was promised for player investment.after reading some comments i seem to have hit a nerve with some people with how im pulling the chairman down,but i stand firm with my views of kevin mccabe and the board,if they showed more ambition in the football field than the off-field then i would have nothing to moan about.