CONFIRMED Oliver Burke

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Imagine if we signed Brewster AND Dennis. IMAGINE!
Success is going to be bad for my health. Maybe we should get relegated.

N.B. I know it's all conjecture and gossip, and a fair amount of BS in the media... But I am actually starting to think we might sign Brewster, which would be surreal... šŸ™ƒ
 

Revolution said:
selling someone on a long term deal for half of what we paid for him and getting someone who is no better on a loan Doesnā€™t jump out at me as great transfer business.
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WBA probably paid a fair whack on a loan fee last season. So we'll probably recoup the fee overall... Unless Burke is built in somehow.

Don't doubt Wilder and co!
 
brownblade said:
WBA probably paid a fair whack on a loan fee last season. So we'll probably recoup the fee overall... Unless Burke is built in somehow.

Don't doubt Wilder and co!
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It looks like WBA will get the better end of that deal.

And whilst Wilder is the best (or at worst second best) majƤger of my lifetime, he is not infallible. Last time I checked he was the one who signed Robinson in the first place.
 
Revolution said:
It looks like WBA will get the better end of that deal.

And whilst Wilder is the best (or at worst second best) majƤger of my lifetime, he is not infallible. Last time I checked he was the one who signed Robinson in the first place.
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CW has never sold a player he's bought for less than what he paid, I think that trend will continue with this deal, although we may not be privy to the details.
 
Revolution said:
selling someone on a long term deal for half of what we paid for him and getting someone who is no better on a loan Doesnā€™t jump out at me as great transfer business.

and Burke can do worse than Robinson. He can get no goals and no assists.
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In which case we send him back, on the other hand if he rips it up and scores 15 with 10 assists (yes I know - hyperbole) we get a Ā£15m player for Ā£5m. Hard to see a massive downside as weā€™ve not sent 10 goals plus from last season to West Brom
 
Revolution said:
It looks like WBA will get the better end of that deal.

And whilst Wilder is the best (or at worst second best) majƤger of my lifetime, he is not infallible. Last time I checked he was the one who signed Robinson in the first place.
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Iā€™m sure they do think theyā€™re getting the better part of that deal ā€“ theyā€™re getting rid of someone they donā€™t want, and getting someone they do want. Those are exactly the same reasons we surely have for agreeing to such a deal.
 
Charlieblade said:
Burkeā€™s best spell in an English side was when he was mentored by Dougie Freedman at Forest.
The lad just needs a manager who will give him some love and quality coaching. Step forward Chris and Alan.
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Coached by Jack Lester who also coached Matty Cash, Ben Brereton and Osborn I believe.
 
Revolution said:
We paid cash for all of them and got a lot less, or nothing, when we foisted them on another club (save Holmes, who retired).
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All of them either ran down their contracts or were released, plus we don't know how much was made in there loan fees. I'm talking about when we've actually sold a player. There has to be interest/bid from another club, for those there wasn't.
 
I think Loan is the best move for Burke, if it doesnā€™t work out send him back
 
Luke1993 said:
All of them either ran down their contracts or were released, plus we don't know how much was made in there loan fees. I'm talking about when we've actually sold a player. There has to be interest/bid from another club, for those there wasn't.
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which shows that your stat doesnā€™t mean much, because it only applies when we actually get cash for someone, rather than giving up on them and releasing them.

Wilder has done some fantastic business but no need to sugar coat it.
 
Revolution said:
which shows that your stat doesnā€™t mean much, because it only applies when we actually get cash for someone, rather than giving up on them and releasing them.

Wilder has done some fantastic business but no need to sugar coat it.
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I'm not sugar coating it, I agree that some have been poor signings. I'm saying that when we do sell, ie c. Robinson we've made money.
 
www.thesun.co.uk

Sheff Utd swapping Callum Robinson for West Brom's Oli Burke in shock transfer

SHEFFIELD UNITED are giving Oli Burke a chance to kick start his career in a surprise swap deal. Scotland forward Burke, 23, is joining the Blades from West Brom where he was left in the shadā€¦
www.thesun.co.uk www.thesun.co.uk

Nixon from just two hours ago never mentions a loan. Interesting. It doesn't clarify either way on whether its permanent or a loan in fairness, but surprised if it is a loan that it's not stated, Nixon has proved more reliable than most - hate saying that since he works for the Sun, which is a disgrace of a newspaper.
 

Revolution said:
which shows that your stat doesnā€™t mean much, because it only applies when we actually get cash for someone, rather than giving up on them and releasing them.

Wilder has done some fantastic business but no need to sugar coat it.
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Revolution, I think you may be nitpicking here, with all respect. Ched was signed by McCabe by all accounts, Hanson cost next to nothing and was important in the promotion bid at the time. Holmes and Carrurthers didn't come off but didn't cost much and Holmes had his injuries.

Overall, when you consider Wilder signed Fleck for nothing, JOC for Ā£300,000, Stevens for nothing, Baldock for Ā£500,000, Egan for Ā£3.5m and Norwood for Ā£1.5m I think he's done exceptionally and the likes of Chris Hussey doesn't even come into it in my view. The only reason that we haven't made huge profits on these lads is because we got promoted and have been able to keep them - thankfully!

Even Freeman and Robinson were relatively small buys by PL standards and if we do make a loss it won't be a big loss - not that you've mentioned them but others have, and when you buy in the level we are then its inevitable some won't come off. It's when you're spending Ā£20 - 30m on the likes of Wesleya and Joelinton that I'd be concerned!
 
Iā€™m into football, not business studies. Our primary objective is to finish as high in the league as we can, not to make as much money as we can by trading players. So, considering weā€™ve gone from 55th in the league to 9th, Iā€™m not overly concerned about the financial minutiae of every individual deal. Some you win, some you lose, thatā€™s life and thatā€™s football.
 
SUFCinks said:
West Brom loaned him out, he wasnt good enough to get in the same team robbo got in (quite a simple concept). in 31 games he managed 1 goal! In an attacking position.

for comparison robbo got 3 in 16 (6 in 32) in a superior league.
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Paul Coutts wasnā€™t good enough to get into the same team that Paul Coutts got into. ;)
 
Revolution said:
It looks like WBA will get the better end of that deal.

And whilst Wilder is the best (or at worst second best) majƤger of my lifetime, he is not infallible. Last time I checked he was the one who signed Robinson in the first place.
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So Wilder failed because he signed Robinson in the first place and he's had minimal impact, and now he's failing again because he's moving him on to another premier league team who are getting the better end if the deal.

Is your name Robinson by any chance?
 
From the outside looking in, it seems that the Burke transfer has turned into a loan so we will get a few and Burke on loan for Robinson. Has this changed because we are raising extra funds for a striker?
 
Eric_Brooks said:
From the outside looking in, it seems that the Burke transfer has turned into a loan so we will get a few and Burke on loan for Robinson. Has this changed because we are raising extra funds for a striker?
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Itā€™s not clear why yet, or if it is indeed a loan. WBA want to keep him? We donā€™t want to buy him? Player wonā€™t agree terms?
What is clear though, Wilder will not wake up the day after and realise heā€™s used his last loan slot up.
He is definitely aware of the rules. Will Liverpool loan Brewster? Only sell, but too high? Brewster doesnā€™t fancy coming? Again, we donā€™t know.
Maybe given a straight choice, Wildersā€™ got a few Brewster alternatives lined up - but he feels Burke is harder to replace.
Letā€™s assume Wilder knows the EPL rules and is given updates on Loan availability and player / club demands.
 
Booker4 said:
Revolution, I think you may be nitpicking here, with all respect. Ched was signed by McCabe by all accounts, Hanson cost next to nothing and was important in the promotion bid at the time. Holmes and Carrurthers didn't come off but didn't cost much and Holmes had his injuries.

Overall, when you consider Wilder signed Fleck for nothing, JOC for Ā£300,000, Stevens for nothing, Baldock for Ā£500,000, Egan for Ā£3.5m and Norwood for Ā£1.5m I think he's done exceptionally and the likes of Chris Hussey doesn't even come into it in my view. The only reason that we haven't made huge profits on these lads is because we got promoted and have been able to keep them - thankfully!

Even Freeman and Robinson were relatively small buys by PL standards and if we do make a loss it won't be a big loss - not that you've mentioned them but others have, and when you buy in the level we are then its inevitable some won't come off. It's when you're spending Ā£20 - 30m on the likes of Wesleya and Joelinton that I'd be concerned!
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"... It's when you're spending Ā£20 - 30m on the likes of Wesleya and Joelinton that I'd be concerned! ..."

Joelinton was supposed to be 40 million, and scored two league goals and two cup goals (one against Rochdale), that is a poor return on investment which ever way you look at it.

Mind you, he went nearly all season with just one league goal, then played against us and scored!
 
I wouldn't mind him signing permanently, but as a loan I think we can get better loanees from th he bigger clubs than Burke who's a work in progress.Tell em the deals off fuck em.
 
boss hog said:
I wouldn't mind him signing permanently, but as a loan I think we can get better loanees from th he bigger clubs than Burke who's a work in progress.Tell em the deals off fuck em.
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I don't agree, he's very much a gamble so rather gamble with a loan to buy arrangement at our discretion.

The striker is going to be from overseas and possibly another loan.
 

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