Outgoing? John Lunsdtram

[HeCanDoMagic]

Is that Nixon's full transfer rumour insight for us this weekend? Hardly earth shattering news that. I could have come up with that nonsense. A player in the last year of his contract might stay...as there's been no bids.... No shit sherlock.

Nixon does seem to have fuk all clue about who our targets are this window. All smoke and mirrors from the lad, and insinuations but not a lot of actual names.

Do you follow Nixon on Twitter?

 

[Niceguyeddie]

Bit in paper.

Good luck to him ,be on less money and out of position

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

This is the job of a football agent. Financially driven incentives. Zero loyalty, turn heads and move to a ‘better’ deal. But what is a better deal? Sitting on Everton’s bench with more cash in your pocket, playing in Scotland or holding out for your current club to pay more (annoying management and fans in the process). Wayne Rooney & Ronaldo did the same but so did Duffy....

That’s a bit naive and follows an inaccurate narrative which isn’t fair but totally dissolves the player any responsibility which suits everyone.
There are unscrupulous agents only out for themselves, of course they are, but they’re the huge minority, and why would players go to these guys unless money is also their primary aim?
The agents job is to look after their clients interests to ensure they have the best careers they can, and earn at much as they can against the market.
They can chase the money and highlight who’s willing to pay the most but thats not the only element. It’s also who they’re playing for, the coach, the style, the clubs chances of staying in the league and their ambitions. Ultimately at the end of every proposed deal the player signs on the dotted line and picks the move. They need to take responsibility for their decisions and stop using agents as their excuse.
If Lunny wanted to stay and sign this deal he would have, he isn’t a kid being easily led by the money. He obviously honestly believes he’s worth more, or can get more and that’s what he wants, or he wants a guaranteed starting place.
GLTTL, but he ain’t worth it to us after half a season of performances required, and as no ones coming in for him (as yet) we appear to agree with the market about his value.

 

[Bladesthorpe]

But made himself look a twat in doing so because he’s had nobody willing to pay a fee for him. Know your worth, if it wasn’t for Chris he’d still be swimming around L1 and at the very most the Championship.

I'm not a big fan of Lunny but it's just a job to him like most professional footballers. Once it's over how many of the hundreds of players that pass through our club do you think ever set foot in the place again. It's just a job to them and they will try to earn top dollar while they can.

 

[Chabuddy G]

I'm not a big fan of Lunny but it's just a job to him like most professional footballers. Once it's over how many of the hundreds of players that pass through our club do you think ever set foot in the place again. It's just a job to them and they will try to earn top dollar while they can.

But he’s alienated the fanbase, his manager, made himself look a big time Charlie and not got a new contract and no club is willing to sign him for a fee.

I think it’s hilarious.

 

[Weasel]

Do you follow Nixon on Twitter?

Never been on Twatter in my life pal. Its not for me.

 

[LondonBlade89]

But made himself look a twat in doing so because he’s had nobody willing to pay a fee for him. Know your worth, if it wasn’t for Chris he’d still be swimming around L1 and at the very most the Championship.

As soon as the pandemic hit, I thought the smartest thing Lundstram could do was sign the deal. Madness he hasn’t really. Fair enough back yourself, but don’t overrate yourself.

 

[Chabuddy G]

As soon as the pandemic hit, I thought the smartest thing Lundstram could do was sign the deal. Madness he hasn’t really. Fair enough back yourself, but don’t overrate yourself.

It’s still on the table now. Chris keeps calling him out in the press, either Lunny is too thick to notice it or thinks someone is going to come in for him. That clearly isn’t going to happen.

Shock horror he’s got Duffy’s agent though

 

[bertieblade]

Nixon knows as much as the guy in the pub about most transfers
I fully expect Lundstram to sign a new contract

signed
The guy in the pub

 

[BrisBlade]

I wouldn't be surprised if he waits until the end of the window and if no good offer materialises then signs the contract. If it's just money, he's gone over half a year without taking the rise infront of him. He may actually want to play football as well, so may need to think about where he'll get a game.

 

[S15Blade]

The money he's passed up must outweigh any extra money he'd get up there. Obviously it's just rumour for now but imagine binning the prem off to go play in fooking Scotland. Scousers

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Rangers really, what a backward career step that would be to play in a league where even Connor Sammon looks decent.
Don't get me wrong I think Lundstram would score more goals than Sammon in that league.
Also can Rangers really afford to pay more than us ? If they can it looks like they haven't learned from their previous financial problems.

 

[bertieblade]

Think we will offer a deal for him to recover the increased salary that he passed on but either way I think the guy just wants to play football and be seen as a first choice option as opposed to a squad player

 

[Weasel]

Tbf to Lunny, if the interest from Rangers is true and not just a ploy from his agent, then he would be daft not to be very interested. Scottish football isn't all that agreed, but Rangers as a club are huge and genuinely have a world wide fan base.

Also, why would he sign a new contract at the end of the current window if he is still here? Makes no sense to me that. Not when he can sit tight for just 2 and a half months and then potentially talk to other clubs about a pre contract agreement in January.

Not saying he won't sign, but I think (if I was in his shoes) that I would keep my powder dry and wait til January. Nothing materialises in January, then I would be knocking on CWs door asking if that contract was still on offer...might not be then of course, but that's the gamble.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Shame we won’t be receiving a fee for him. Even say £4m now would be handy. That said it would probably cost more to replace him / his goals.

the lack of interest probably speaks to his dip in form. I don’t think he would be a starter or regular in many PL sides really. So it’s up to him whether he takes a pay rise and a PL role her or chases a bit extra elsewhere

 

[SilkyBlade]

But he’s alienated the fanbase, his manager, made himself look a big time Charlie and not got a new contract and no club is willing to sign him for a fee.

I think it’s hilarious.

I’m new here so will choose my words carefully but what a load of bollox. He hasn’t alienated his manager. Wilder just the other day said he has no issues with Lunny. I guarantee he will play a big part this season and I for one am delighted he is staying. He has all the attributes we need in the Prem, pace and power, and we don’t have the budget to guarantee replacing 5 goals/4assists from Midfield having missed a number of games. If he goes at the end of the season and banks a couple of mill Signing on fee then best of luck to him. He didn’t get much of a look in in Champ didn’t sulk, head down and was one of our strongest looking players on and off the ball last season...but of course because the bloke probably wants a deal at similar level to other top earners at club we cut our nose to spite our face call him a tosser, don’t support him and then lose his goals/assists and get no money....only one party starting to look like idiots and it ain’t Lunny

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Never been on Twatter in my life pal. Its not for me.

He’s very good and gets a lot of things right, he clearly has accurate sources.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Rangers really, what a backward career step that would be to play in a league where even Connor Sammon looks decent.

Steady on.

I’m new here so will choose my words carefully but what a load of bollox.

 

[Nah den]

I’m new here so will choose my words carefully but what a load of bollox. He hasn’t alienated his manager. Wilder just the other day said he has no issues with Lunny. I guarantee he will play a big part this season and I for one am delighted he is staying. He has all the attributes we need in the Prem, pace and power, and we don’t have the budget to guarantee replacing 5 goals/4assists from Midfield having missed a number of games. If he goes at the end of the season and banks a couple of mill Signing on fee then best of luck to him. He didn’t get much of a look in in Champ didn’t sulk, head down and was one of our strongest looking players on and off the ball last season...but of course because the bloke probably wants a deal at similar level to other top earners at club we cut our nose to spite our face call him a tosser, don’t support him and then lose his goals/assists and get no money....only one party starting to look like idiots and it ain’t Lunny

I agree. He's still our player. Wouldn't it be better to get behind a bloke that gave us some great moments last season rather than slagging him off for having the temerity to want what he probably considers parity with his team mates?

 

[Chabuddy G]

I’m new here so will choose my words carefully but what a load of bollox. He hasn’t alienated his manager. Wilder just the other day said he has no issues with Lunny. I guarantee he will play a big part this season and I for one am delighted he is staying. He has all the attributes we need in the Prem, pace and power, and we don’t have the budget to guarantee replacing 5 goals/4assists from Midfield having missed a number of games. If he goes at the end of the season and banks a couple of mill Signing on fee then best of luck to him. He didn’t get much of a look in in Champ didn’t sulk, head down and was one of our strongest looking players on and off the ball last season...but of course because the bloke probably wants a deal at similar level to other top earners at club we cut our nose to spite our face call him a tosser, don’t support him and then lose his goals/assists and get no money....only one party starting to look like idiots and it ain’t Lunny

Ok John Lundstram sr, how are you today?

Regarding him not alienating the manager you must be really naive. He’s not going to come out and say he doesn’t want him around the place. Leaves us dreadfully light and gives us an awful bargaining position with any prospective buyers (which don’t look very forthcoming)

You think we’re looking like idiots on this? Why do you think no one is interested in signing him, oh sorry, apart from Rangers

Do the maths - if he’d signed the deal we offered him he’d have an extra half mil in his bank account. Very silly.

 

[Chabuddy G]

I agree. He's still our player. Wouldn't it be better to get behind a bloke that gave us some great moments last season rather than slagging him off for having the temerity to want what he probably considers parity with his team mates?

Wilder will offer him what he thinks he’s worth. How do we know he hasn’t been offered parity with his teammates?

McBurnie is only on 20k a week basic, it was announced in the court case. Lunny won’t have been offered less than that

 

[Nah den]

Wilder will offer him what he thinks he’s worth. How do we know he hasn’t been offered parity with his teammates?

McBurnie is only on 20k a week basic, it was announced in the court case. Lunny won’t have been offered less than that

If he's demanding to be the highest paid player obviously that isn't/shouldn't happen, but id say if that is the case it's more to do with his agent being unrealistic and filling his head with nonsense. OK, players should take responsibility for their own path but this maybe a case of the agent doing him no favours.

Anyway, my point was less about the detail, more about supporting one of our players who is likely to get a decent amount of pitch time next season rather than slagging him off.

 

[bongleblade]

Think we will offer a deal for him to recover the increased salary that he passed on but either way I think the guy just wants to play football and be seen as a first choice option as opposed to a squad player

also there is every chance we will see Berge leave at the end of this season, if he has an amazing season whos to say every club wont be in for him and that we would not sell? So he could have the best shot at first team football here

Lunny should keep this in mind ala Hendo, bide his time instead of swanning off to the second best Scottish club on half the wages he has been offered by his current team

 

[SilkyBlade]

Ok John Lundstram sr, how are you today?

Regarding him not alienating the manager you must be really naive. He’s not going to come out and say he doesn’t want him around the place. Leaves us dreadfully light and gives us an awful bargaining position with any prospective buyers (which don’t look very forthcoming)

You think we’re looking like idiots on this? Why do you think no one is interested in signing him, oh sorry, apart from Rangers

Do the maths - if he’d signed the deal we offered him he’d have an extra half mil in his bank account. Very silly.

I’m well thanks Chabuddy G. I don’t wish to make a thing of it but please use ‘The Lord Snr’ in any future correspondence.

Let us agree that if he plays any part this season you donate £20 to my chosen charity and vice versa if he does not. My chosen charity is my Son as I had no idea he lost out on £0.5M although I guess this will be offset by the free agent signing on fee. How do you know what the new contract is worth? Regardless, surely Wilder only plays him to win not to protect resale value. Of course, we have no idea what interested parties were told re purchase price. If Say £10m and they get him on a pre-contract free potentially as early as Jan then It’s a no brainer. Look negotiating his contract is well above my pay grade. I fully support and agree with Wilders position As only his opinion matters. All I am saying is if the guy plays and wears the shirt he deserves our full support

 

[Champagneblade]

It’s still on the table now. Chris keeps calling him out in the press, either Lunny is too thick to notice it or thinks someone is going to come in for him. That clearly isn’t going to happen.

Shock horror he’s got Duffy’s agent though

Good old Agent eh? Far from showing Chris who's boss, he's in the process of mugging a second client off!

Still, whatever he eventually gets you can subtract all that he's missing out on by sticking on his old wage for about 15 months and counting...

 

[Chabuddy G]

I’m well thanks Chabuddy G. I don’t wish to make a thing of it but please use ‘The Lord Snr’ in any future correspondence.

Let us agree that if he plays any part this season you donate £20 to my chosen charity and vice versa if he does not. My chosen charity is my Son as I had no idea he lost out on £0.5M although I guess this will be offset by the free agent signing on fee. How do you know what the new contract is worth? Regardless, surely Wilder only plays him to win not to protect resale value. Of course, we have no idea what interested parties were told re purchase price. If Say £10m and they get him on a pre-contract free potentially as early as Jan then It’s a no brainer. Look negotiating his contract is well above my pay grade. I fully support and agree with Wilders position As only his opinion matters. All I am saying is if the guy plays and wears the shirt he deserves our full support

Of course he’s going to play a part this season. He’s one of 2 cover players we have for 3 positions. But he’s clearly going to be out of favour and will have to bend over backwards and then some to usurp Berge or Norwood when we know he’s leaving next season anyway. He’s certainly not going to be a first teamer unless one of those two is dreadfully out of form or gets injured.

 

[Harrisblade]

That’s a bit naive and follows an inaccurate narrative which isn’t fair but totally dissolves the player any responsibility which suits everyone.
There are unscrupulous agents only out for themselves, of course they are, but they’re the huge minority, and why would players go to these guys unless money is also their primary aim?
The agents job is to look after their clients interests to ensure they have the best careers they can, and earn at much as they can against the market.
They can chase the money and highlight who’s willing to pay the most but thats not the only element. It’s also who they’re playing for, the coach, the style, the clubs chances of staying in the league and their ambitions. Ultimately at the end of every proposed deal the player signs on the dotted line and picks the move. They need to take responsibility for their decisions and stop using agents as their excuse.
If Lunny wanted to stay and sign this deal he would have, he isn’t a kid being easily led by the money. He obviously honestly believes he’s worth more, or can get more and that’s what he wants, or he wants a guaranteed starting place.
GLTTL, but he ain’t worth it to us after half a season of performances required, and as no ones coming in for him (as yet) we appear to agree with the market about his value.

Do you really think that agents (especially those of the 'top' players) really want their clients to 'take responsibility for decisions'?
Nothing is more certain to stop the gravy train in its tracks.

 

[Chabuddy G]

Good old Agent eh? Far from showing Chris who's boss, he's in the process of mugging a second client off!

Still, whatever he eventually gets you can subtract all that he's missing out on by sticking on his old wage for about 15 months and counting...

Exactly. He could’ve just insisted on a release clause like any person with a brain would rather than being a stubborn idiot.

Wilder is a fair enough bloke. He would definitely agree to that.

‘Right ok Chris if you aren’t going to give me what I want that’s fine, I’ll sign on for an extra 2 years but I want an agreed release fee in my contract if anyone wants to buy me’

‘Ok John, no problem’

Handshake, John doubles his wages and then some, gets a choice to leave for a fair price if someone comes in, we protect our asset. Everyone’s happy.

 

[tincan]

Millionaires negotiating with millionaires about what multi-millionaires will pay them, for a few years, to entertain us plebs. It's irrelevant who gets paid what.I don't pay to watch paychecks runaround a field, I support the team the club's manager puts on the pitch to entertain and hopefully win a few games. Be it in the fourth division or top of the league , the players salaries are the millionaires problem not ours. Lunny is fundamental to the squad, if not the team. Why some can't see that and think some second division wannabe will be better is a mystery.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

McBurnie is only on 20k a week basic, it was announced in the court case. Lunny won’t have been offered less than that

You think that McBurnie’s 20k a week, presumably offered the wage because he was expected to be a starting centre-forward, won’t be more than what we’ll have offered back-up midfielder Lundstram? He’ll have probably been offered something nearer Osborn’s wage, not McBurnie’s. And, based on what their role is likely to be for the next season, rightly so.