Back the bid?

[SteelCity Blade]

I think England will get it for the simple reason that it will make FIFA the most money in the time of a global recession.

Sheffield won't be chosen because the ground is shite and they can't afford to do it up. Therefore Leeds will get it for Yorkshire whereas I think if Bramall Lane was chosen we would of had a great chance of hosting it.

Agree with all of that Bob. I said a similar thing myself last week about FIFA choosing England.

The fact that FIFA's visit didn't include Hillsborough is no coincidence either. If England gets it (and Sheffield is chosen) I wouldn't even be slightly surprised for the committee to come crawling for Bramall Lane.....at which point I would tell them to feck off and go have it at Oakwell!

FIFA have the final say over stadiums dont they?

 

[dj_uk_1234]

Agree with all of that Bob. I said a similar thing myself last week about FIFA choosing England.

The fact that FIFA's visit didn't include Hillsborough is no coincidence either. If England gets it (and Sheffield is chosen) I wouldn't even be slightly surprised for the committee to come crawling for Bramall Lane.....at which point I would tell them to feck off and go have it at Oakwell!

FIFA have the final say over stadiums dont they?

I honestly don't see what all you Blades see in Bramall Lane. It is nothing special and never will be. Hillsborough is no Bernabau but it certainly isn't any worse than your ground.

When you have taken off the Red and White spectacles you may see it. It really isn't this beautifull stadium you seem to think it is.

 

[sitwell]

You use the same opticians as Blunkett ?

 

[axel smeets]

I honestly don't see what all you Blades see in Bramall Lane. It is nothing special and never will be. Hillsborough is no Bernabau but it certainly isn't any worse than your ground.

When you have taken off the Red and White spectacles you may see it. It really isn't this beautifull stadium you seem to think it is.

It's a decent championship/lower half prem stadium. It would have to be upgraded in many areas for a world cup bid: the kop would require a cantilever roof, the additional tier would be put onto the south stand and of course the facilities on the kop would require upgrading.

I don't think any blade thinks we have some sort of Old Trafford of South Yorkshire, but look at Hillsborough now. It is truly mutton dressed as lamb. Hillsborough's south stand is quite admirable, but the cantilvered stand really shows it age, and as for the Leppings Lane end.....jesus h christ, where do you begin?
The whole damn stand should have been bulldozed after 1989, and rebuilt. There's still that single tunnel down there, and upstairs it's just crammed every time we visit, you can't move and it looks severley dated inside. Plus there's the pillars that fail to offer an unobstructed view of the pitch.

 

[TAMUS]

I honestly don't see what all you Blades see in Bramall Lane. It is nothing special and never will be. Hillsborough is no Bernabau but it certainly isn't any worse than your ground.

When you have taken off the Red and White spectacles you may see it. It really isn't this beautifull stadium you seem to think it is.

Oh you thick grunter , now is not the end product , knob .

 

[dj_uk_1234]

Oh you thick grunter , now is not the end product , knob .

I'd be careful, thats the sort of thing i got kicked off about, but hey i'm not fussed about the abuse and won't report like others when they threw there teddies out.

I completely agree, Hillsborough does need some massive improvements and if we get the stadium decision (which i don't think we will for the record) it would certainly need a lot doing to it, however my point is your stadium is nothing special. And as for the leppings lane end, I haven't been in there for a long time but your away end is certainly nothing special.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

I honestly don't see what all you Blades see in Bramall Lane. It is nothing special and never will be. Hillsborough is no Bernabau but it certainly isn't any worse than your ground.

When you have taken off the Red and White spectacles you may see it. It really isn't this beautifull stadium you seem to think it is.

No one said it is. What we're pointing out is that its more modern and has the ability to expand its capacity through the club's own funding. Hence it can be further improved prior to the World Cup despite being more pleasing on the eye already.

I'm sure I dont need to mention its central location as well. 5-10 minutes walk from the train station and near to all major bus routes. There is also an abundance of accomodation near by. But Hillsborough is clearly a better choice because it has the tram, how could I forget

Hillsborough is a tired old ground and apart from having a big enough capacity to stage World Cup games it doesnt offer a lot else. To be totally honest (and I am being 100%) I never wanted the World Cup here in the first place.....for a few reasons. The sty can have it.....it just makes very little sense when you think about it.

As Bob said, Sheffield is unlikely to get it anyway and I couldn't care less if it does or not.

 

[TAMUS]

I bet its not 3 minutes extra Tram to lane , from Granville road stop , than Tram to sty .

 

[axel smeets]

I'd be careful, thats the sort of thing i got kicked off about, but hey i'm not fussed about the abuse and won't report like others when they threw there teddies out.

I completely agree, Hillsborough does need some massive improvements and if we get the stadium decision (which i don't think we will for the record) it would certainly need a lot doing to it, however my point is your stadium is nothing special. And as for the leppings lane end, I haven't been in there for a long time but your away end is certainly nothing special.

If Hillsborough were to be awarded games in 2018, I should like to ask a serious question: Where will the money come from for the upgrades? It could be from a central government grant, but do you think that with all the cuts the bastards coalition are making, there would be money made available?

It could come from the city council, but with the council under no overall control, would either Labour or the Liberals wish to give funding to one football club over the other? Especially when the central government grant to the authority is to be cut, and there are local government elections next May. Imagine what would happen if 3 or 4 independent councillors were elected on the basis that NO public money is to be given to either Sheffield club, and they would refuse to vote through the city council budget?

That scenario could happen at either end of the city. Anyway, back to the question at hand.. Is the money going to come from Strafford? Hulley? Cooke? Addy? Grierson?Allen?The Co - Operative bank?A fans whipround?The fair in Hillsborough park?

It's going to need at least £10m, surely, to get it upto standard?

 

[TAMUS]

A lot more than 10million Alex , i dont think you can have stands with poles blocking views , and the rear of the south stand has a tinny wooden floor thats not safe Leppings lane end , should have been condemded years ago , you cannot walk all way round the ground , but if they get it i hope the floods come that month .

 

[TAMUS]

AXEL not Alex sorry.

 

[axel smeets]

AXEL not Alex sorry.

No worries. Yes, I think £10m is going to be the absoloute minimum required, it will probably be more like £15m. Of course it could come from investment in the club, but assuming that co - op write off a certain amount of the debt, say £12m, that leaves any potential investor needing £5m to buy out the current board, at least £5m to get them to championship play off level, and £15m to do up the ground. That's £25m just there.

 

[TAMUS]

I dont understand the co-op , on one hand talking about writing off debut ,while on the other giving them more wonga to waste .

 

[axel smeets]

I dont understand the co-op , on one hand talking about writing off debut ,while on the other giving them more wonga to waste .

It was something that was mooted last year, I think, a debt write down in exchange for say £15m being pumped in. I imagine this would then be used to take them to the promised land, and once they had a season in the prem, the remaining £15m bank debt would be paid off. I'm also guessing it would be one of the only ways they would ever see their debt repaid, even if it was only say 60% of it. Because no investor is going to walk in, pay £5m to the existing board, pay off the bank in full, plus the other creditors, and then give father ted £15m to spend on players. Are they?

 

[Balham]

It was something that was mooted last year, I think, a debt write down in exchange for say £15m being pumped in. I imagine this would then be used to take them to the promised land, and once they had a season in the prem, the remaining £15m bank debt would be paid off. I'm also guessing it would be one of the only ways they would ever see their debt repaid, even if it was only say 60% of it. Because no investor is going to walk in, pay £5m to the existing board, pay off the bank in full, plus the other creditors, and then give father ted £15m to spend on players. Are they?

The Co-op is the institution closest to the actual position of SWFC and they're willing to lose 50% of their investment in order to realise the other 50%. Says it all, really.

Cost of buying SWFC:
Board: £5m
Bank: £15m
This season: £3m
Getting the ground up to WC standard: £20m
Players & wages: c£7m

£50m to buy a League 1 team and get them to Championship standard. You're having a laugh, there are more viable options at Championship and lower Premiership level.

 

[JohnDenver]

You missed a line Balham:

Cost of buying SWFC:
Board: £5m
Bank: £15m
This season: £3m
Getting the ground up to WC standard: £20m
Players & wages: c£7m
Lee Strafford: Priceless

 

[Balham]

You missed a line Balham:

That is the end of a long day typing. Even Ched might have converted that opportunity...!

 

[grafikhaus]

***********

 

[axel smeets]

Where's that thank you button......

 

[bartman]

The Co-op is the institution closest to the actual position of SWFC and they're willing to lose 50% of their investment in order to realise the other 50%. Says it all, really.

Cost of buying SWFC:
Board: £5m
Bank: £15m
This season: £3m
Getting the ground up to WC standard: £20m
Players & wages: c£7m

£50m to buy a League 1 team and get them to Championship standard. You're having a laugh, there are more viable options at Championship and lower Premiership level.

there has been a meeting of the Sheffield 2018 world cup bid tonight at Creative Sheffield. Nick Parker has told the meeting that they have got a grant from Europe for the upgrade of the ground....looks like they've been bailed out again.

(he also mentioned that he expects a take over of the Pigs within 6 weeks...didn't say to what they investors were putting in thou)

 

[axel smeets]

More bullshit from Hillsborough again then?

 

[super_pig]

>expects a take over of the Pigs within 6 weeks
presumably by the labour party?

 

[Studge]

there has been a meeting of the Sheffield 2018 world cup bid tonight at Creative Sheffield. Nick Parker has told the meeting that they have got a grant from Europe for the upgrade of the ground....looks like they've been bailed out again.

(he also mentioned that he expects a take over of the Pigs within 6 weeks...didn't say to what they investors were putting in thou)

God they must be quick in approving grants in Europe as i was told by a passing tramp that applications for grant funding had only been submitted last week

 

[TAMUS]

Where football is concerned , Grants must be like free money , ie say i own a club worth nowt , do it up with say a 20 million grant , funded by you , [thankyou ] can i then sell my club for 20 million , without giving you anything back , or could i go into admin and buy it back for next to nowt ? or do you have to be an MP to do any of that ?.

 

[grafikhaus]

England World Cup 2018 bid team's fears over BBC's Panorama

The controversial BBC Panorama programme on the World Cup bidding campaign, which England 2018 are desperate to stop, is concentrating its attention on the England host cities.

All 12 cities and towns which have stadiums earmarked for the 2018 tournament in England have been contacted by Panorama investigators wanting access to their copies of the detailed bid book that was presented to FIFA last May.

Panorama have been asking questions over the confidential £300million worth of Government guarantees agreed last year surrounding tax exemptions for FIFA and visa waivers for all involved in the World Cup.

The Government information was kept out of the England bid book highlights published on line, but is understood to be similar to their guarantees for the London 2012 Olympics.

The worry for England 2018 is not so much the contents of the Panorama programme, but the fall-out from an English-produced TV documentary upsetting the FIFA ExCo voters so close to their decision on December 2.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...-teams-fears-BBCs-Panorama.html#ixzz10o8QCG00

 

[TAMUS]

Hows the did going :? seen the posters outside the Town Hall saying " Back the Sheffield bid " money well spent .

 

[DuncDisorderly]

Well I never. The WC2018 bid is gathering pace, along with it the bullshit (lovingly crafted by the Chief Grunter on the Stir) about wonderful Hillsborough and its fantastic 'history'. Seems we've forgotten one bit of history which should bar it from any selection. Leaning on its links to 1966, well I suppose that was the last time it was painted. Makes me cringe.

I so want this whole thing to fail, sorry...

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sportheadlines/How-Sheffield-leads-2018-World.6600787.jp

 

[Highbury_Blade]

How embarrassing is that the better ground will be the training ground in Sheffield?

 

[Toronto Blade]

If the selectors and the bias shown by the council towards the unclean don't think the Lane was good enough fine it is not good enough to be used period.No training allowed etc.,lets keep our pitch in good condition we don't need it chewed up all summer and left with a poor surface for our players.
Let them find a green space near swillsboro to chew up.

 

[grafikhaus]

"England 2018 have opened up a Russian front with their formal complaint to FIFA, while also being in escalating conflict at home over the Panorama World Cup bid documentary.

The England campaign have been fearful from the start that the fall-out from the BBC programme, that is expected to be broadcast in the week leading up to the December 2 vote, will seriously harm their chances.

This unease has been heightened by inevitable grumbling among FIFA ExCo voters in Zurich this week about the dreaded English media after the Sunday Times cash-for-votes revelations that led to two committee members being suspended.

Tensions have been further raised by Panorama, who have shown no inclination to pull the plug despite pleas at the highest level, now making accusations through third parties that England 2018 have been provocative with their aggressive attempts to silence them.

Panorama’s requests for the campaign team to answer a set of questions were swiftly rebuffed. The BBC investigators also asked to talk to FIFA ExCo members, citing the need for the organisation’s high command to be transparent.

England 2018 believe the programme is going to rehash the Sunday Times findings without much fresh material. Their worry is that aggravating FIFA powerbrokers so close to the decision will be that much more damaging if there are no genuine revelations of wrongdoing."

Better ask Blunkett, Betts & Richards, then.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...bid-battle-hots-home-front.html#ixzz13aFTD2sw