Requirements for staying up

[lenners]

A new striker is an absolute must.
Offloading Evans would be a godsend and for his own sake he needs to go somewhere else to start again.
Getting someone else to pick up some of his wages would hopefully free up enough but either way we are going to have to get more mobility and goal threat.
In midfield we're going to have to look at getting someone in to play football with Britton. Monty and Ertl is one stopper too many.
The one rider is that those three may work better away from home.
Someone like Tonge who can pass with Britton would help.
At the back Morgs will come back in and you could toss a coin for which of Nozza and Bartley to drop.
Calve looks lightweight but might just squeeze by. Jordan looks steady enough.
A general point about Scunny. That is a genuinely well run football club which puts the likes of us to shame.
And why is it they can take punt on a lower league striker time and time again and we end up with the likes of Chedwyn at a total cost of £4m to £5m?

 

[raul]

Now you've seen them Leonard, how do the full-backs compare against the two Kyles?

 

[lenners]

Now you've seen them Leonard, how do the full-backs compare against the two Kyles?

Let's just say the penny will have dropped with one or two after tonight.
Naughton would be a great addition but presumably beyond us financially.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Three goals in seven games is a big problem, even though we're playing a bit better now.

I don't think we can keep playing Monty, Ertl and Britton centrally together. The fact that Monty is the one with the best goal record between them shows we need a player with more attacking attributes in there.

 

[JohnDenver]

A new striker is an absolute must.
Offloading Evans would be a godsend and for his own sake he needs to go somewhere else to start again.
Getting someone else to pick up some of his wages would hopefully free up enough but either way we are going to have to get more mobility and goal threat.
In midfield we're going to have to look at getting someone in to play football with Britton. Monty and Ertl is one stopper too many.
The one rider is that those three may work better away from home.
Someone like Tonge who can pass with Britton would help.
At the back Morgs will come back in and you could toss a coin for which of Nozza and Bartley to drop.
Calve looks lightweight but might just squeeze by. Jordan looks steady enough.
A general point about Scunny. That is a genuinely well run football club which puts the likes of us to shame.
And why is it they can take punt on a lower league striker time and time again and we end up with the likes of Chedwyn at a total cost of £4m to £5m?

I don't disagree with much there, but we're not relegation fodder and Calve doesn't exactly look lightweight to me.

Leon Britton eh? Fabulous footballer.

 

[Foxy]

Let's just say the penny will have dropped with one or two after tonight.
Naughton would be a great addition but presumably beyond us financially.

Penny dropped tonight, but not last Saturday?

Prey tell, why do we take this performance and not their last into consideration? Or is it because this is the one you saw?

 

[lenners]

Penny dropped tonight, but not last Saturday?

Prey tell, why do we take this performance and not their last into consideration? Or is it because this is the one you saw?

I was talking purely about Calve and the bizarre comparisons that were being made with Walker.
One other thing that shouted out tonight was for all the commendable attempts at playing football we badly miss dynamism and pace - something which a Walker or Naughton would have provided down one flank at least.

 

[Trigger Blade]

A new striker is an absolute must.
Offloading Evans would be a godsend and for his own sake he needs to go somewhere else to start again.
Getting someone else to pick up some of his wages would hopefully free up enough but either way we are going to have to get more mobility and goal threat.
In midfield we're going to have to look at getting someone in to play football with Britton. Monty and Ertl is one stopper too many.
The one rider is that those three may work better away from home.
Someone like Tonge who can pass with Britton would help.
At the back Morgs will come back in and you could toss a coin for which of Nozza and Bartley to drop.
Calve looks lightweight but might just squeeze by. Jordan looks steady enough.
A general point about Scunny. That is a genuinely well run football club which puts the likes of us to shame.
And why is it they can take punt on a lower league striker time and time again and we end up with the likes of Chedwyn at a total cost of £4m to £5m?

Look and learn Ollie, look and learn.

 

[puppet]

I was talking purely about Calve and the bizarre comparisons that were being made with Walker.
One other thing that shouted out tonight was for all the commendable attempts at playing football we badly miss dynamism and pace - something which a Walker or Naughton would have provided down one flank at least.

Walker is the Adrian Littlejohn of defending, a lot of pace but headless at times. makes too many mistakes and to be honest, I'd rather he didn;t iron out those creases with us before going on to becoming the player he threatens to.

UTB

 

[lenners]

Walker is the Adrian Littlejohn of defending, a lot of pace but headless at times. makes too many mistakes and to be honest, I'd rather he didn;t iron out those creases with us before going on to becoming the player he threatens to.

UTB

Yeah, he's not in the same class as the right back who turned out for us tonight.
I reckon Harry will be in for Calve as soon as that window opens.

 

[raul]

Len,

Please can you understand there is no comparison between the £3m international and the capless loanee.

 

[alcoblade]

A new striker is an absolute must.
Offloading Evans would be a godsend and for his own sake he needs to go somewhere else to start again.
Getting someone else to pick up some of his wages would hopefully free up enough but either way we are going to have to get more mobility and goal threat.
In midfield we're going to have to look at getting someone in to play football with Britton. Monty and Ertl is one stopper too many.
The one rider is that those three may work better away from home.
Someone like Tonge who can pass with Britton would help.
At the back Morgs will come back in and you could toss a coin for which of Nozza and Bartley to drop.
Calve looks lightweight but might just squeeze by. Jordan looks steady enough.
A general point about Scunny. That is a genuinely well run football club which puts the likes of us to shame.
And why is it they can take punt on a lower league striker time and time again and we end up with the likes of Chedwyn at a total cost of £4m to £5m?

That's better lenny. A well constructed and reasonable post and I agree with most if not all of it. I'm happier with Calve than you are.

The main issue is our striker. At least give Boggy a chance, we've nothing to lose.

I was bizarrely pleased with the performance though it seems we've moved too much too fast on the footballing side to leave ourselves exposed. None of it will matter unless we start to score goals.

UTB

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Can someone explain why Ched is again getting the pelters when for most of the match he was outwide with Cresswell or Ward inside? Neither of the latter two did anything more than Evans last night and yet he is singled out from the performance.

 

[beightonblade]

were going nowhere but down the sh1tter while McCabe is in charge....a dis interested chairman is bad !

oh and i fear when watering the pitch is our main effort we have problems

back on topic ................. win sum games

 

[Moosie]

Can someone explain why Ched is again getting the pelters when for most of the match he was outwide with Cresswell or Ward inside? Neither of the latter two did anything more than Evans last night and yet he is singled out from the performance.

Maybe it's because he cost us the best part of £3m and people expect alot more from a player who cost that much?

As for the other two, they were picked up for pretty much next to nothing... Doesn't give them immunity to criticism though.

EDIT: Oh, and requirements for staying up... Win your home games, go back and look at teams that have gone down and most will have lost around 10 home games.

 

[alcoblade]

Can someone explain why Ched is again getting the pelters when for most of the match he was outwide with Cresswell or Ward inside? Neither of the latter two did anything more than Evans last night and yet he is singled out from the performance.

Because he's had 15 months of being shite. We know what the others can and can't do. All we know about Evans is what he can't do. The £3M fee and exorbitant wages only adds to the mess. The inclusion of the others wont cost us the season. The inclusion of Evans will.

UTB

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

The inclusion of the others wont cost us the season. The inclusion of Evans will.

UTB

OK we all know Ched struggled last season but we hardly played flowing football providing him with chance after chance. I can't see though why the likes of Ward and Cresswell seem exempt from criticism in the last few games. Jamie Ward for example has only scored 10 goals for us yet can seemingly do no wrong in most fans eyes. I realise he didn't cost anything like the same fee but does that excuse him from criticism ? There isn't much difference between Billy Sharp's record either yet we all know the god like status he had.

I still think Ched will come good if he gets a run in the team and we continue to play as we have in the last 3 games. Maybe I'll be proved wrong but to catagorically say we will struggle if he continues to play seems way off the mark to me.

 

[lenners]

Ward has a bit of pace, a bit of dynamism, is on the move and looks like he can fit in with a side that plays football.
Evans has no pace, no dynamism and most critically of all spends most of the match on his heels with little sign of anticipation.
It was something that Edwards highlighted on Saturday.
One moment in the second half summed it up. Someone got clear down the right, near the byline, and pulled it back towards Ched who allowed the centre half to get in first to clear when a sharp, intelligent striker would have been anticipating, on the move and been determined to get there first.
He's played something like 45 games now and scored 5 goals. But it isn't just his scoring record. His overall ability looks lacking in every area.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Ward has a bit of pace, a bit of dynamism, is on the move and looks like he can fit in with a side that plays football.

Not knocking Wardy and I agree but what about end product ? People are prepared to make excuses for Wardy yet the same reasons aren't apparently applicable to Ched because of the transfer fee which let's face it, has nothing whatsoever to do with him.

 

[lenners]

Not knocking Wardy and I agree but what about end product ? People are prepared to make excuses for Wardy yet the same reasons aren't apparently applicable to Ched because of the transfer fee which let's face it, has nothing whatsoever to do with him.

I'm not making excuses for Ward, I'm pointing out he brings more to the team with his overall play.
When it comes to excuses, I think the number applied to Evans have now run for over 12 months.

 

[Guesty]

Can someone explain why Ched is again getting the pelters when for most of the match he was outwide with Cresswell or Ward inside? Neither of the latter two did anything more than Evans last night and yet he is singled out from the performance.

1. Because he spent so much of the time wide, as you say, we he was meant to be the bloody centre forward
2. Because scuffed a golden opportunity for a equaliser right into the turf when alone at the back post.
and 3. Because he contributed the square root of fuck all since signing for big money well over a year ago.

That said I think Ward's contribution has been hugely over rated for a long time. Sometimes he's on it and tears a team a new one, most of the time his effect is marginal.

 

[Bladesman]

Walker is the Adrian Littlejohn of defending, a lot of pace but headless at times. makes too many mistakes and to be honest, I'd rather he didn;t iron out those creases with us before going on to becoming the player he threatens to.

UTB

Walker always looked solid to me.

If anyone is headless at times in our back 4 its Nossy or Bartley.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I'm not making excuses for Ward, I'm pointing out he brings more to the team with his overall play.
When it comes to excuses, I think the number applied to Evans have now run for over 12 months.

Do you think Wardy's 'delivered' this season so far ? Do you think 10 goals in close to 2 seasons is a fair return from him ?

 

[raul]

Is he a centre-forward Fleety?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

1. Because he spent so much of the time wide, as you say, we he was meant to be the bloody centre forward
2. Because scuffed a golden opportunity for a equaliser right into the turf when alone at the back post.
and 3. Because he contributed the square root of fuck all since signing for big money well over a year ago.

That said I think Ward's contribution has been hugely over rated for a long time. Sometimes he's on it and tears a team a new one, most of the time his effect is marginal.

1.) But that is the formation, when he pulled wide (and created some chances) Ward or Cresswell filled in, in the middle
2.) I don't think he was alone on the back post he didn't hit it clean but I'm sure it came off the challenging defender. I remember because we were screaming at the ref for not giving a corner.
3.) Fair enough, but the big money will always be contentious until he completes his contract.

 

[norfolkblade]

Understandably people are getting on Ched's back because of the fee we paid for him, but you can not hide from the fact that the potential is definitely there. The lad is just completely out of form at the moment and needs some goals to boost his confidence, let's not forget how chuffing good he was at Norwich, treated as their main source of goals and he performed wonders for them.

Yes it's all well and good us playing good football, and make no mistake I'm delighted we are, but the warning signs were there to see at Derby, we are not taking our chances and it really cost us last night, big time.

 

[Guesty]

He didn't complain about the corner, but then again given his demeanor and apparent lack of intelligence, maybe that's not surprising. On the big TV it looked like he just scuffed it, plus there we're all the ironic cheers from the Scunny fans.

You'll notice I didn't state a figure when I said big money. Whether we've paid just a third of his price or the full £3M, it's still far too much for a player who's scored, what, five goals in over a season?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

You'll notice I didn't state a figure when I said big money. Whether we've paid just a third of his price or the full £3M, it's still far too much for a player who's scored, what, five goals in over a season?

Sure, if he is being judged solely on his goalscoring that has been disappointing.

If he did miss that chance on his own it was a bad miss, although it wasn't a one on one when clean through though like Mr Cresswell missed.

 

[Guesty]

Sure, if he is being judged solely on his goalscoring that has been disappointing.

If he did miss that chance on his own it was a bad miss, although it wasn't a one on one when clean through though like Mr Cresswell missed.

Oh, and what else are we to judge him on? All those assists he has perhaps, or his abillity to hold it and bring others into play? Maybe his searing pace that turns defences so frequently. This sounds confrontational, I'm not having a go at you Bob but I completely fail to see all this supposed potential in Evans. He's dismally lacking in every area, bar that his shot is quite hard (but frequently off target, or blocked because he takes so long to get one away).

Not it wasn't and I criticised Cresswell for that too. However, he gets slack from fans on account of being our top scorer last year.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Potential, the good work he did last night, the good stuff we have seen from him away from scoring.

I realise most aren't going to agree with me about Ched and there are a few spunking over Wardy when he's not done that much either, but I think there is a really good player in there.

That said I have mentioned that we need to it more often this season if he is to succeed here.

Simple fact is he played better than Cresswell and Ward last night so for him to be talked of as getting dropped is quite unfair.