CONFIRMED Aaron Ramsdale returns to the Lane

[bertieblade]

Bruce who would your alternative be and for how much?

 

[Sean Thornton]

 

[MobileBlade]

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[Flatulent_Bob]

I think he's £10m at best

i agree and I think that’s in the ball park of what he’s cost us as I’m not buying this £18.5M, (which would actually closer to £15M when you factor in the sell on clause), and this has already been challenged as way too high by more local sources.
However for the sake of argument, if we can agree on £15m is the highest we’ve likely paid and in all likelihood it’s a fair bit lower, that’s half what was paid in the Premier League for a keeper with a similar season and experience behind him.
Pickford had his breakthrough season at Sunderland at 23 years old and he was highly rated although his side were relegated. He was signed for double the amount we’ve said is the highest we’ve rumoured to have shelled out. So purely from a market value perspective it’s a good deal comparatively.

From what we’re hearing now from the press its actually highly likely that we’ve actually signed him for a third of Pickford's cost to Everton and at that level it’s a steal for a player who’s a year younger.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

Ramsdale is a good keeper but we do appear to have bid over the odds. My main concern though is that if our budget is limited we should have been spending most of it on increasing our firepower up front. If we do still bring in a top quality striker I’ll be happy.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

i agree and I think that’s in the ball park of what he’s cost us.
I’m not buying this £18.5M, which would actually closer to £15M when you factor in the sell on clause, this has already been challenged as way too high by more local sources.
However for the sake of argument, if we can agree on £15m is the highest we’ve likely paid and in all likelihood it’s a fair bit lower, that’s half what was paid in the Premier League for a keeper with a similar season and experience behind him.
Pickford had his breakthrough season at Sunderland at 23 years old and he was highly rated although his side were relegated. He was signed for double the amount we’ve said is the highest we’ve rumoured to have shelled out. So purely from a market value perspective it’s a good deal comparatively.

From what we’re hearing now from the press its actually highly likely that we’ve actually signed him for a third of Pickford's cost to Everton and at that level it’s a steal for a player who’s a year younger.

I still think we are paying too much

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bruce who would your alternative be and for how much?

George Long

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I still think we are paying too much

Even at £10 Million?

 

[MobileBlade]

I still think we are paying too much

I don't. So are we or aren't we?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Even at £10 Million?

It isn't £10m. The sell on clause is null and void we are paying full whack.

 

[Seth Rollins]

In Wilder I trust. But £18.5m for Ramsdale makes me sit up and and wonder a bit.

All it makes me wonder is that we have alot more money to spend than alot of people think.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

It isn't £10m. The sell on clause is null and void we are paying full whack.

Ok so you believe we’ve paid £18.5million for him. Full price, no add ons even though local news sources are saying it’s simply not true? That would be odd but I guess it suits your argument so even if that price is right then he’s a record signing for our club isn’t he, so that would be announced as such once he signs wouldn’t it?
I still think you’re trying to claim the highest price in order to suit your argument but even if you are correct it’s still less than the market rate set several seasons ago.
At worst is slightly under the going rate at best it’s massively less.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Ok so you believe we’ve paid £18.5million for him. Full price, no add ons even though local news sources are saying it’s simply not true?
If that price is right then he’s a record signing for our club isn’t he, so that would be announced once he signs wouldn’t it?
I think you’re siting the highest price in order to suit your argument and even if you are correct it’s still less than the market rate set several seasons ago.

I don't give a toss about the fee pal. Just reading reports there is no pay back to us on the sell on fee.

He's a decent keeper, no where near Hendo though.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I don't give a toss about the fee pal. Just reading reports there is no pay back to us on the sell on fee.

He's a decent keeper, no where near Hendo though.

I guess we’ll see. I think he’s slightly behind Hendo but if we compare where Ramsdale is now and where Hendo was at the start of last season are they still no where near each other?
We couldn’t go right to the start of the season waiting on Man Utd and Hendo again and shelling out the fat end of £10M for a year, could we? That’s just too risky for us especially with the cost as well.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I guess we’ll see. I think he’s slightly behind Hendo but if we compare where Ramsdale is now and where Hendo was at the start of last season are they still no where near each other?

Look lets cut the BS we can't afford Hendo on loan anymore so we are paying a ridiculous fee (on cheap wages) for an inferior keeper. Hendo is far superior to Ramsdale, don't try and dress it up as we have all seen this with our own eyes.

 

[Guesty]

Come on Bruce, you wanted us to start showing the money.
Do you really think we’ve paid that, I mean really?

We've not paid owt yet, have we?

As we know from Robinson, there's a difference between having a bid accepted and completing a transfer.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

This signing has a decent chance of working out well. To get a young keeper with PL experience who is familiar with United and English football makes a lot of sense. Henderson has been excellent for us, but it is strange how often he has been criticised on here, and now that it appears his time at the Lane is over, his status has suddenly risen to legend.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

far superior

Only bit I'd disagree with. Better? Probably, but I'd like to have seen him behind the Bournemouth defence to be sure.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Only bit I'd disagree with. Better? Probably, but I'd like to have seen him behind the Bournemouth defence to be sure.

no comparisson

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

no comparisson

Care to forecast who gets in an England squad first?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Care to forecast who gets in an England squad first?

Trick question? Pope is better than the lot of them.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Trick question? Pope is better than the lot of them.

I agree but I said squad. There will be more than one place up for grabs

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I agree but I said squad. There will be more than one place up for grabs

Pope, Pickford, Hendo.

In that order.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Pope, Pickford, Hendo.

In that order.

If Henderson is fighting it out at Man Utd next season as 2nd choice and Ramsdale regularly playing for us I'm not so sure.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

If Henderson is fighting it out at Man Utd next season as 2nd choice and Ramsdale regularly playing for us I'm not so sure.

No way is Ramsdale an England feature right now. Pickford is wank so 1-0, Hendo better so 1-1, Pope better than them all so 1-2. Will he make the squad? No chance.

PS Alan Kelly was better than all of these kids put to together.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Much as I love Hendo this is the right move for us. We can’t afford him permanently, fee and salary are out of reach but in Ramsdale we have:-

1. Finally put in place a long term first choice keeper.

2. Signed someone young and talented with potential resale value.

I would have taken Hendo back on loan for another year but are we just delaying what we need to do? The more I thought about this transfer the more it made sense.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Look lets cut the BS we can't afford Hendo on loan anymore so we are paying a ridiculous fee (on cheap wages) for an inferior keeper. Hendo is far superior to Ramsdale, don't try and dress it up as we have all seen this with our own eyes.

We can afford Hendo on loan we just don’t see it at value for money. To say we can’t afford £10M when we’ve just agreed we’ve spent at least that on his replacement is obviously BS. We’ve chosen not to.
Hendo is far superior I think is a stretch but a matter of opinion. To say Hendo is a a better keeper would be fair, but was he at the start of last season? I think before a ball was kicked, looking at Hendos championship performances they’re comparable to where Ramsdale is now.
What is a fact is they performed as Premier League starters last season and the last time a highly rated young English keeper was sold upon being relegated it was for £30 million.

No way is Ramsdale an England feature right now.

Neither was Hendo at the start of last season, yet I’d say if Pope, Pickford or Hendo we’re injured Ramsdale would be next on the list.
Hendo wasn’t in that position before last year so maybe Ramsdale is actually ahead comparatively, purely in England pecking order terms.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

No way is Ramsdale an England feature right now. Pickford is wank so 1-0, Hendo better so 1-1, Pope better than them all so 1-2. Will he make the squad? No chance.

PS Alan Kelly was better than all of these kids put to together.

He has been noted by the England hierarchy. Few games for Henderson as No.2 and he will drop down the pecking order.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Think it's important to note that none of the stats people are quoting say Ramsdale is a bad keeper. They show he was round about middle of the pack for the whole Premier League last season. Henderson was a top 5 keeper on most metrics, but signing Henderson permanently is never going to be an option.

I always say that statistics and data are evidence not truth. They rarely exist in a vacuum, and can be filtered a myriad of ways and can often, somewhat paradoxically, display diametrically opposed ideas as being simultaneously true.

For example. I would say the following all appear to be true:
a) Ramsdale’s statistics show he is a mid-table (or average) goalkeeper in the PL
b) Mid-table performance for Ramsdale is significantly better than Bournemouth’s relegation placing, therefore he is significantly above average in comparison to the sum of his team.
c) Henderson’s performances put him in the top 5 keepers in the league.
d) However, Henderson was shielded by the third best defence in the league (of which he was a part, granted) therefore top 5 could be argued to be somewhat par for the course (harsh that one, but only used to illustrate the point).

 

[Seth Rollins]

Care to forecast who gets in an England squad first?

At this point i’d say Ramsdale. & no tin hat on. Pickfords shite,Pope’s good. Henderson’s in no mans land at the moment. Man Utd forced our hand. Wilder’s chosen Ramsdale. Good enough for me.