CONFIRMED Aaron Ramsdale returns to the Lane

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Dont they still owe us £4m+ for Brooks, and take away the 15% sell on fee in Ramsdale to them contract...surely well pay around £12m??
 

On a different note , if Aaron & Wes get into the 25 , who will be the 3rd GK - Moore or Verrips or neither (ie : a new face) ?
 
Barney said:
Thought you weren't a big fan of him? Maybe I've got you mixed up with another poster.
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I think he's a pretty big downgrade on Henderson.
I also feel (at least from stat analysis, highlights vids etc.) that Cakir is the better goalkeeper & I was hoping we'd go for him.
But maybe I was applying a bit of a short-term view to things.

I do still worry that Henderson was worth an awful lot of points to us last season (taking into account he outperformed his XG by about 7 & the vast majority of our games were tight affairs) and we'll need to improve at the top of the field to compensate.

However, I understand why we've pursued Ramsdale.
I'm aware that statistically he's only an average goalkeeper at PL level - but, he's 23 years old - he's only just played out his debut season at this level and that's actually not a bad place to be at this stage of his development.
Add in that he knows this club inside out, Wilder clearly rates him as a player and a bloke & he (presumably) can only improve from here on in and I think he has the makings of an excellent signing...

Ultimately, I trust Wilder's judgement & I accept that I don't know anything with regards to our budget.
If he's pulled off some behind-the-scenes sorcery regarding writing off Brooks debt, the Ramsdale sell-on-fee etc. and he now knows he has an extra £5-10m to spend on a striker (relative to signing Cakir) then I think the deal makes sense.
 
makblade said:
And out of the woodwork the worms do cometh!

Give the lad a chance ffs
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That’s my biggest concern, some of our number no agreeing with the signing and on him as soon as there is a mistake dying to be proven right.
Once he signs the very least he should get is the same level support Hendo after a couple of his errors.
 
Ted Maul said:
Bit underwhelmed. Asked a Bournemouth fan about him:

"Fee is £18.5mil and your lot waiving the sell on fee of 15%, so £21mil to anyone else.
Yes, he won player of the year, but everyone (maybe except for Ake) had a shocker.
He’s an ok keeper, but not been that impressed with him. We have Travers who was fighting for the No.1 spot so really good fee tbh.
Not good in the air, or free kicks, ok shotstopper
Kerching!"
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He never fancied her. He thinks she’s fat and ugly and only bought her drinks all night and took her out a few times because he felt sorry for her.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
He never fancied her. He thinks she’s fat and ugly and only bought her drinks all night and took her out a few times because he felt sorry for her.
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You do have to factor in the residual bitterness caused by recent relegation with those comments. Obviously I hope he does brilliantly. He's had a decent season on a personal level and I think a big plus for him is that he's a strong character and a really good lad, something Wilder always looks for.
 
CoatesyBlade said:
I’ve a feeling he’ll win you over Kozzy... If you think Hendo is passionate then wait till you see Rambo giving it some!
You know he’s gonna give it is all every game. Couple that with Wardy developing his skills on a daily basis and we’re on to a winner here! UTB
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I really hope you're right mate - I'm not wanting to put a downer on things, I'm just really doubtful. I hope I'm wrong. I think it's a strong contrast though - anyone was going to have a real job on, replacing England's future number 1, but to go from that to someone who is far from the finished article is a big leap and I think we'll see the difference in quality (which we were always bound too, I just hope it isn't too staggering).
 
I think it was inevitable that we make this move and better on our terms and with a player Chris has confidence in.

On the fee, I'm sure it will come out eventually and will probably be based on many ifs and buts. However, how much have we paid for Hendo so far, and how much would this season cost? My guestimate:

Year 1 - 25k of his wages and say 1m loan fee = 2.3m
Year 2 - 55k of his wages and say 2m loan fee = 4.86m
*Year 3 - 100k of his wages and say 3m loan fee = 8.2m

So taking him for another year probably means 3 years of Hendo costs us 15.36m. At the end of 3 years he goes back to Man U and we get nothing for him and still face this problem next year. We also have the niggle about dropping our best keeper every time we play Man U.

For a similar amount of money, you can probably take Ramsdale on a 5 year deal in terms of fee, pay around 4.5m in wages, let's say, and after 3 years have either an asset on your hands that is worth 30m or you don't need to buy another keeper for the next 10-15 years.

Man U having us pay the vast majority of his wages worked when he was on his last contract, just about. But there comes a point when it's not so viable. If paying 80-100% of his wages is a 4-5m outlay and a loan fee on top, you're starting to talk about a decent amount of money for training someone else's asset. Their need to pay him more probably just takes it out of our hands.

On Ramsdales ability, it is easy to fall into the trap of comparing directly to Henderson this season. But there has to be a few caveats here:
1. Henderson at 22 was a Championship keeper playing against Championship level strikers.
2. Ramsdale at the same age has been a Premiership keeper playing against some of the best strikers in the world and already has a year of top flight football under his belt.
3. Ramsdale has been left exposed in front of a poor defence.
4. Hendo has been well protected by a strong defence.
5. Ramsdale is a year younger. He'll have a year more of development to catch up Hendo under Darren Ward and will have double the amount of Premier League experience compared to Hendo when he reaches the same age.

Objectively Henderson does have parts to his game that need improvement but overall been an excellent player, ambassador and guy.

The last loan signing that made such an important impact was probably Glynn Hodges.

Hendo leaves with his head held high. It also looks like Man U might want to send him overseas as well. Though maybe that story has surfaced because we have baulked at the proposed financial terms.

We've been fortunate to have Hendo 2 consecutive years and it is rare for a loan to go into 3 years. But I know a lot were gutted when we had to sacrifice Ramsdale. He's gone away and made himself a top level keeper, so if he's Chris's choice then let's get behind him.
 
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Guesty said:
Paddy Kenny's incompetence at the highest level is a huge reason behind our relegation in the Prem under Warnock.
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First time I've ever seen this view to be honest. I don't remember anyone digging Paddy out when we went down. Not withstanding the whole Tevez affair, our inability to replace Hulse is what sent us down. The Jan transfer recruitment, a few silly goals, key moments like missed pens vs Blackburn home, Tonge fouling Blackburn away and them scoring with the free kick, Jags handball, Jags not getting a foul at the other end moments before be Wigan. Literally never heard Paddy mentioned.
 
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Champagneblade said:
First time I've ever seen this view to be honest. I don't remember anyone digging Paddy out when we went down. Not withstanding the whole Tevez affair, our inability to replace Hulse is what sent us down. The Jan transfer recruitment, a few silly goals, key moments like missed pens vs Blackburn home, Tonge fouling Blackburn away and them scoring with the free kick, Jags handball, Jags not getting a foul at the other end moments before be Wigan. Literally never heard Paddy mentioned.
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Dropped a simple catch at home to Everton leading to their penalty
 
Silent Blade said:
Dropped a simple catch at home to Everton leading to their penalty
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I don’t recall any other error in the season and even then the penalty still needed scoring. Nothing anywhere near the error Henderson had for example vs Liverpool. I thought Kenny had an excellent season, and he was badly missed when Gerrard deputised.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
I'm aware that statistically he's only an average goalkeeper at PL level - but, he's 23 years old
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Not even that – he only turned 22 earlier this year and is nearly a year younger than Henderson. That should probably be factored in when comparing their development – Ramsdale is the less experienced of the two despite both having played 1 PL season.
 

LoughboroBlade said:
Not even that – he only turned 22 earlier this year and is nearly a year younger than Henderson. That should probably be factored in when comparing their development – Ramsdale is the less experienced of the two despite both having played 1 PL season.
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Another aspect that no one seems to consider, and the stats don’t cover, is the psychological difference of being a keeper in a side shipping chances and goals regularly and a side still in the games with everything to play for. It must be mentally knackering to be putting it in game after game and still losing soundly, because your team are shit so you’re facing multiple shots when the games already gone.
I dare say he’s learnt more this year to aid his development at 21 then most keepers learn in a fair few seasons. A season behind a solid organised defence could make a huge difference to his stats and standing, and if we do need couple of backs to the walls performances he’s had a whole season of experience in trying to face adversity.
 
I seem to remember at the time we got him on a free from bolton, they released him as preferred jaaskalienens son and maybe mark howard
 
I’m really pleased with this signing. We aren’t shopping in the bargain bin any more and £18.5m is about right. At 22 we are getting at least 5 years out of him.

LoughboroBlade said:
I don’t recall any other error in the season and even then the penalty still needed scoring. Nothing anywhere near the error Henderson had for example vs Liverpool. I thought Kenny had an excellent season, and he was badly missed when Gerrard deputised.
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There was the Lampard free kick as well but even so there is no way Paddy can be factored into the reasons for relegation that season. Earned us more points than he cost us.
 
In Wilder I trust. But £18.5m for Ramsdale makes me sit up and and wonder a bit.
 
Champagneblade said:
First time I've ever seen this view to be honest. I don't remember anyone digging Paddy out when we went down. Not withstanding the whole Tevez affair, our inability to replace Hulse is what sent us down. The Jan transfer recruitment, a few silly goals, key moments like missed pens vs Blackburn home, Tonge fouling Blackburn away and them scoring with the free kick, Jags handball, Jags not getting a foul at the other end moments before be Wigan. Literally never heard Paddy mentioned.
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I remember someone on here saying a few years after the event that they wished they'd gone on the the pitch to slap Paddy Kenny against Everton, because he was acting such a clown and they knew it would cost us (this was before they scored) . They said they'd regretted not doing so ever since. I can't remember who the poster was but they were pretty strident that Kenny was a big part of the reason we went down.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Come on Bruce, you wanted us to start showing the money.
Do you really think we’ve paid that, I mean really?
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We sold him for £800k under Wilder, I would ask why are we buying him back for so much if I was the boss.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
We sold him for £800k under Wilder, I would ask why are we buying him back for so much if I was the boss.
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Because we sold him as teenager who’d never made a professional appearance for the market rate for the level we were at and we’re buying him back as a Premier League starter who's just been awarded player of the year at his club and who’s also a possible member of next seasons senior England squad.
How much would you pay for that player, and again, honestly how much do you think we’ve paid for him? It ain’t going to be £18.5million is it?
 
Bruce Wayne said:
We sold him for £800k under Wilder, I would ask why are we buying him back for so much if I was the boss.
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If I were the boss I would reply saying that I had to raise funds to invest in the team
I did such a good job of this that we now have a club about to enter the second year in the premiership and my abilities have made you a considerable amount of money
So let me get on with it!
 

Flatulent_Bob said:
Because we sold him as teenager who’d never made a professional appearance for the market rate for the level we were at and we’re buying him back as a Premier League starter who's just been awarded player of the year at his club and who’s also a possible member of next seasons senior England squad.
How much would you pay for that player, and again, honestly how much do you think we’ve paid for him? It ain’t going to be £18.5million is it?
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I think he's £10m at best
 
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