Villa ghost goal will cost us Europe

[XM657]

So if we'd have scored after 45 mins there's absolutely no chance that Villa would have scored in the 2nd half?

I've stated my thoughts on the situation, all the variables have been answered because the game was completed, so why keep bringing up more variables?
I will not change my thoughts on the issue, you may be better engaging someone who's not so sure of there thoughts on the subject.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I've stated my thoughts on the situation, all the variables have been answered because the game was completed, so why keep bringing up more variables?
I will not change my thoughts on the issue, you may be better engaging someone who's not so sure of there thoughts on the subject.

The game played out as it did because the events in the game unfolded as they did. If the events unfolded differently then it is physically impossible for the same outcome (I'm talking the result I'm talking the contingent events). It's really not that hard to grasp.

I suppose if you don't understand this basic concept then pretending you are right and that nothing can change your mind is the best option for you.

 

[Bladesman]

Not expecting to be given any points for that farce. But I'll 'move on' when the truth comes out.

The ref got a buzz at half time indicating that the GLT had just been switched on and as the previous poster says, apologised to Wilder.
Meanwhile Hawkeye released a statement apologising for an unprecedented occlusion meaning they didn't get any decent photos.

So which is it?

Hawkeye have refused to comment again since and have never published any evidence to back up their claim. Its a disgrace and I expect the facts of the case to come out before I am satisfied. I'm amazed at the apathy towards the cover ups and lies here given what is at stake.

What annoys me most is they could have corrected it easily at half time when they switched it back on. The goal was not given a few minutes before half time and the scoreline was 0-0. Nothing stopping the ref to correct the score or advising Villa to put the ball in their net.

Do I want the 2 points and possibly euro spot? Not sure because as others have said we wouldn't know how the match would have played out had the goal been given. Although if it does cost us a place higher in the league then we should at least be awarded the additional PL prize money of where we should have finished.

 

[XM657]

The game played out as it did because the events in the game unfolded as they did. If the events unfolded differently then it is physically impossible for the same outcome (I'm talking the result I'm talking the contingent events). It's really not that hard to grasp.

I suppose if you don't understand this basic concept then pretending you are right and that nothing can change your mind is the best option for you.

Believe you are losing something, you've turned to being personally insulting towards me, attempting to show you are intellectually superior to me instead of arguing a point.
Afraid it's a case of, we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Killamarshblades]

What annoys me most is they could have corrected it easily at half time when they switched it back on. The goal was not given a few minutes before half time and the scoreline was 0-0. Nothing stopping the ref to correct the score or advising Villa to put the ball in their net.

Do I want the 2 points and possibly euro spot? Not sure because as others have said we wouldn't know how the match would have played out had the goal been given. Although if it does cost us a place higher in the league then we should at least be awarded the additional PL prize money of where we should have finished.

The ref cant correct a score after a decision / non decision. My understanding is Villa wouldnt agree to let us walk a goal in. Hence the game played out as it did!

 

[Tarqs]

Id be more worried about the ghost goal if I were a Watford fan tbh. I do however think we should sue Hawkeye over this though, it may or may not cost us a European place (probably not and we really dont know what the end result would be) but if you assume that it would have allowed us go on and win the game which is a fairly big assumption as we were awful that day it will almost certainly cost us a few million in PL Merit payments.

TBH suing them isnt even about the money its about getting the truth of the situation out in the public domain. This occlusion excuse holds no water with me, unless I see proof. It stinks of lies and a cover up and we should sue to get to the truth of the situation. If the images were released and that was a legit statement fine its bad luck, you take your medicine, but the fact there are 2 different stories out there and no images, na not having it, sue for the truth we cant let them just produce a BS statement and walk away from it unscathed.

Can't sue hawkeye for the system not being turned on.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Believe you are losing something, you've turned to being personally insulting towards me, attempting to show you are intellectually superior to me instead of arguing a point.
Afraid it's a case of, we will have to agree to disagree.

Where is the personal insult?

 

[Dublinblade]

Can't sue hawkeye for the system not being turned on.

whats your legal basis for that ?

Besides the point they have released an official statement saying it was turned on, going to court will make them prove that, or show them up to be liers and untrustworthy and cause significant commerical shockwaves for them.

 

[Rochdaleblade]

If supposedly foolproof technology fails and ends up costing a business money, surely you would be entitled to compensation. e.g. if a shop is unable to take card payments due to a failure with the banking system, surely the bank is culpable for failing to provide the service that they have been contracted to do. There is a clear difference in this case from subjective, was his toenail 1cm offside decisions. It is a clear case of the technology not working as it is supposed to.

 

[tomtheblade]

The fact is the game finished 0-0. One goal should've been added to United's total resulting in a 1-0 win. The rest is hypothetical; noise and nonsense if you will.
If United would've scraped this win, they'd have grown in confidence and won every game since and now be sat comfortably esconced in the Champions League place. See: easy isn't it.

Anything other than what actually happened is hypothetical. 0-0 is the only 'fact' here, no more.

You don't get to add goals to a scoreline after the game, that's not how it works, so 1-0 is just as hypothetical as anything else.

The game was 0-0, we got a point.

 

[blade too long]

I think we'll be more that two points away in the final reckoning.

Win tonight and we wont

 

[blade too long]

Hawkeye told the prem it's goal line technology was failproof.
Completely free of error and infallible.

Except at Villa Park where 7 that's seven cameras with unhindered views failed miserably to see a ball a full 90 cm over the line
.it failed to see a keeper holding the ball behind a post inside the goal
They had one task

. To see if a ball was in the net behind the line with enough technology to launch a space launch a space shuttle. But somehow failed to register on their all seeing digitally enhanced 3D tracking devise

 

[west_yorks_blade]

Hawkeye told the prem it's goal line technology was failproof.
Completely free of error and infallible.

Except at Villa Park where 7 that's seven cameras with unhindered views failed miserably to see a ball a full 90 cm over the line
.it failed to see a keeper holding the ball behind a post inside the goal
They had one task

. To see if a ball was in the net behind the line with enough technology to launch a space launch a space shuttle. But somehow failed to register on their all seeing digitally enhanced 3D tracking devise

Except if it wasn’t switched on. And as they won’t publish proof I know which explanation I favour. Tossers.

 

[CentralQuay]

The argument that 'it would have given the players confidence going into the Newcastle/Man United games' is nothing but hypocrisy.
Goals either change games, or they do not.....You can't argue that they only change games when they suit your own agenda.

To accept that a win at Villa may result in better performances afterwards, you must also accept that a goal at Villa completely changes the way both sides approach the whole second half.

Didn't VAR admit a few weeks back that every Sunday game had an incorrect penalty decision in them?
So Everton/Spurs/Villa can also sue right? Where does it end?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

He more or less nicked it from the bible.

 

[Sean Thornton]

The argument that 'it would have given the players confidence going into the Newcastle/Man United games' is nothing but hypocrisy.
Goals either change games, or they do not.....You can't argue that they only change games when they suit your own agenda.

To accept that a win at Villa may result in better performances afterwards, you must also accept that a goal at Villa completely changes the way both sides approach the whole second half.

Didn't VAR admit a few weeks back that every Sunday game had an incorrect penalty decision in them?
So Everton/Spurs/Villa can also sue right? Where does it end?

When your own team is presumably worrying about a CL place why do you care so much about us? A Leicester forum should be more relevant surely?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Not expecting to be given any points for that farce. But I'll 'move on' when the truth comes out.

The ref got a buzz at half time indicating that the GLT had just been switched on and as the previous poster says, apologised to Wilder.
Meanwhile Hawkeye released a statement apologising for an unprecedented occlusion meaning they didn't get any decent photos.

So which is it?

Hawkeye have refused to comment again since and have never published any evidence to back up their claim. Its a disgrace and I expect the facts of the case to come out before I am satisfied. I'm amazed at the apathy towards the cover ups and lies here given what is at stake.

Exactly. The match is over and done with, the points shared. It’s not unreasonable though for Hawkeye or the PL to be honest about it. If a genuine error like this needs a cover up, what else goes on in the background?

 

[Stevo]

Fuck me there's a lot of bickering, why not just put the kettle, have a cup of tea, calm down and remember where we were 4 years ago

 

[blade too long]

Hawkeye told the prem it's goal line technology was failproof.
Completely free of error and infallible.

Except at Villa Park where 7 that's seven cameras with unhindered views failed miserably to see a ball a full 90 cm over the line
.it failed to see a keeper holding the ball behind a post inside the goal
They had one task

. To see if a ball was in the net behind the line with enough technology to launch a space launch a space shuttle. But somehow failed to register on their all seeing digitally enhanced 3D tracking devise

Except if it wasn’t switched on. And as they won’t publish proof I know which explanation I favour. Tossers.

So they didnt have a back up pwer supply. And had no clue on football history
They didn't have any of the 7 cameras with it's own back up .battery .
They had never heard of floodlights failure ever happening in europcan football. Why did their technology fail yet sky sports suffered not one jot of a break in communication at the same ground. Are they admitting Stockley park has inadequate fail safe procedures. It's ability to monitor games over a distance is inadequate.
Or are they covering up a gross piece of human error.

 

[Dkc]

I hate all this "we don't deserve anything because we played bad" stuff. We had the same reaction after the Tevez fiasco. This is football, you can play bad and still score goals and win games.

Spot on. I'm sick of people saying that we were relegated from the PL because we failed to beat Wigan. Iif the punishment for dodgy on player registrations had been applied fairly, we wouldn't have needed anything from the Wigan game. Over a season there will always be a few games where you deserve to get something from the chances you create (like Wigan home) but the ball doesn't run for you. We were nervous that day, and we shouldn't have been. We should have already been safe.

 

[Guesty]

Win tonight and we wont

Mmm hmm.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Anything other than what actually happened is hypothetical. 0-0 is the only 'fact' here, no more.

You don't get to add goals to a scoreline after the game, that's not how it works, so 1-0 is just as hypothetical as anything else.

The game was 0-0, we got a point.

What happened was one legitimate goal was scored in a game that was completed to its conclusion - ergo the team with the goal should've been awarded the three points. Anything else is hypothetical and excuse making for an inefficient and possibly corrupt system.

 

[blade too long]

Mmm hmm.

Yes a rather lack lustre effort

Looked like this rushed calendar has worn them down
Not the only ones though
Been some unusual efforts from clubs with bigger budgets
Man Utd were very poor v chelsea
Leicester fell apart at spurs

I can't get angry . . Only lost 1-0
So unless we ship 6 st Southampton will be best defensive effort by a promoted club in the prem
I'd have took that in august

 

[Gimli]

Well we can forget about the ghost goal at last - I still think it will prove significant for Villa and Watford on the last day.

 

[bladesmanluke]

We should still take them to court for blatantly lying

 

[Houston_Blade]

Spot on. I'm sick of people saying that we were relegated from the PL because we failed to beat Wigan. Iif the punishment for dodgy on player registrations had been applied fairly, we wouldn't have needed anything from the Wigan game. Over a season there will always be a few games where you deserve to get something from the chances you create (like Wigan home) but the ball doesn't run for you. We were nervous that day, and we shouldn't have been. We should have already been safe.

I blame the Villa away game for our relegation last time. We set up to lose that game and did. If we’d have scored a goal or conceded one less we’d have stayed up.

 

[Oldun]

Yes a rather lack lustre effort

Looked like this rushed calendar has worn them down
Not the only ones though
Been some unusual efforts from clubs with bigger budgets
Man Utd were very poor v chelsea
Leicester fell apart at spurs

I can't get angry . . Only lost 1-0
So unless we ship 6 st Southampton will be best defensive effort by a promoted club in the prem
I'd have took that in august

Hahaha, that’s brilliant. Chasing Champions League, then Europa, then best finish by a newly promoted team, now most clean sheets by a newly promoted club!! Of course you would have taken that at the start of the season. Who wouldn’t! Haha. I’ll be cheering that on Sunday. Hope we don’t miss out on that or we will have to hope for greenest pitch or something.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

My understanding is Villa wouldnt agree to let us walk a goal in. Hence the game played out as it did!

Personally I would have refused to take to the pitch until matters were dealt with properly. Refusing to give a goal in those circumstances is nothing less than twattish behaviour. I hope they're relegated.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Didn't VAR admit a few weeks back that every Sunday game had an incorrect penalty decision in them?
So Everton/Spurs/Villa can also sue right? Where does it end?

VAR got decisions wrong. VAR is simply a referee looking at a screen giving his opinion on a foul or an offside.

VAR isn't 'foolproof technology'.

But the fact VAR wasn't allowed to overrule that technology on such a blatantly obvious incident is ridiculous. They're watching the game live as well. 'Protocol' takes precedent, and that precedent is technology trumping human eye.

It's madness.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Every Blade knew that the ghost goal would come back to haunt us ,not only are we bottom of the VAR table but we have the absolute mockery of being cheated out of two points . Yes it has been one hell of a season but this could be our best chance of a European place for many a year ( I have been waiting since Birmingham 1974 to come close ) but i will feel bitter and twisted if we miss out.

We won't play in Europe because we lost vital games since the lockdown ended. It's nothing to do with a perfectly good goal being ruled out at Villa. There's no guarantee that we'd have won that game if the goal had stood either.

I totally agree that decision was a travesty of justice. But let's try and avoid this "victim" mentality shall we? Let's just be honest with ourselves. We've had a right good bloody go at this Premier League lark. We should be buzzing with pride about our team. Not lamenting some of the odd decisions that went against us and using those as some sort of justification for not finishing higher in the table.