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Thought we were pretty languid and slow today, against a AVFC who were seemingly happy to either lump it long or try to feed Grealish so he could squeeze one in. That said, Villa played a lot better than I have seen them play before the shutdown. We just managed to facilitate that. Having Jack and Flecky out hasn't helped (strange how they are out two most revered and valued players, contract-trigger fans) but the replacements were passable and poor in that order.

Henderson 9/10: Simply excellent, and unflappable. If he's acrobatically turning McGinn's strike round the post one minute, he's plucking a dangerous cross off the toes of Samatta or flicking out a hand to deny Davis. We must sign this kid. Playing without him now is unthinkable.
Baldock 7/10: Did his typical 'full of energy' act but was seemingly unable to penetrate until late on in the 2nd half when he had Lunny over with him, and they could link with Bash and Didsy.
Basham 8/10: Another heroic performance and at times had Grealish tucked in his sock
Egan 6.5/10: Seemed to be on his heels a few times by the long punts and the spectre of a big centre forward leaning down on him. In mitigation, he was without his wingman and the communication seemed to be wanting
Robinson 7/10: Thought he did well for a first outing in Jacks boots. Some timely interceptions and interventions
Stevens 6/10: Thought he was pretty average today
Lundstram 6.5/10: First half was passable, improved when he went right in the second but still not really at his early season best. The second half of the MUFC game at home seems to have been his trigger fo slow descent, although he was 'okay' today
Norwood 6.5/10; Typical 'does what he does' outing. Played in the hole in front. Great goal however.
Berge 3/10: I thought he was pretty piss poor to be honest. First game back or not, there's no excuse as a PL footballer to look as unfit and disinterested as that when the club whose shirt you wear has broken its fucking transfer record on you. When I looked at his YT showreel, I thought he reminded me of Currie, drifting past players, making the space and basically being able to run the game. Currie may have had some middling games in red and white, but even in those he 'imposed'. Villa didn't even seem aware of his presence or scared by his ability. He was, today, barely at Championship level and that is bad. I pray Bruges haven't had our kecks down on this and he turns out to be a fucking waste of resources. Look at his contemporaries - look next match for example at Shelvey - and you'll see someone you wouldn't like to be up against in attack and in defence for ninety minutes. That is because he is Premier League standard. Berge - so far - isn't.
McBurnie 6/10: No real opportunities apart from the header from the corner and the intercepted pass. Really, he should have been a lot more imposing on what looked a shaky defence. He did graft though and endeavoured to win back possession
Sharp 6/10: Again, and I have written this before, this is only because the usual goal supply from MF and the R and LWBs was absent today. Last season, the bloke was supplied and he punished Villa hard. It's what Billy does. Today he had to go looking for it and that isn't his game

McGoldrick 4/10: Not a lot of chance to do anything TBH
Freeman 6/10: A far better LMF option than Berge IMHO. He actually looks like he is fighting for the call up
Mousett 4/10: Not really in the game

Like I say, as a game it was poor. Positives are 'we are back' and we didn't concede, but we also failed to attack properly and made Villa look threatening, when really they are far from it and on this showing, look likely to drop with Norwich.

The goal? Shocking, shoddy shambles of a decision, by one of the world's top refs. However, if the tech fails him and he gets no notification, what the tapdancing fuck appeared on those bellends' screens at Stockley? Did any of them not see it - the ball clearly over the line - and think 'the Hawkeye has failed. That's a goal.' Why not get the ref to check the monitor? Why not have the moral courage to buzz the ref and raise a concern? If this were Liverpool, Klopp would have dropped his kecks, forced Oliver's face between the cheeks of his arse and shat in his mouth. Then the players would have taken a knee, Sky TV would have melted down, Jamie Carragher would have run out of spittle and Boris Johnson would have put the nation back into lockdown. So why has everyone already stopped talking about our lost two points? Why is it suddenly 'Hawkeye has apologised, chin up, shit happens'? Has anyone made a count how many points we have lost through Lundstram's ten-foot foot, the ref dispossessing Fleck and now the Villa keeper sliding the ball back into play with a look on his face like he's shut his dick in his wife's underwear drawer and the whole world - and I mean 'planet earth' sat watching and thinking 'aw, that's shit that is.'

Typical United. Not 'typical United' as in four seasons ago, but typical of what we end up with.

PS: All of the above is 'my take' not 'how you saw it'. If you disagree, do it with dignity, eh? I'm not calling you a cunt or killing your cat.

pommpey
 



If this were Liverpool, Klopp would have dropped his kecks, forced Oliver's face between the cheeks of his arse and shat in his mouth. Then the players would have taken a knee, Sky TV would have melted down, Jamie Carragher would have run out of spittle and Boris Johnson would have put the nation back into lockdown. So why has everyone already stopped talking about our lost two points? Why is it suddenly 'Hawkeye has apologised, chin up, shit happens'? Has anyone made a count how many points we have lost through Lundstram's ten-foot foot, the ref dispossessing Fleck and now the Villa keeper sliding the ball back into play with a look on his face like he's shut his dick in his wife's underwear drawer and the whole world - and I mean 'planet earth' sat watching and thinking 'aw, that's shit that is.'

Thanks for this bit, I was struggling to voice my feelings on it accurately and you've done it for me. Perfect.
 
Totally agree Pommps. We weren't at our best, it's the best Villa have been against us for a long time, but they still couldn't beat us, and we were undone by "outrageous misfortune" (take that any way you like, I'm keeping calm and don't want to get banned from S2).
 
According to this link we are the most affected premier league team by VAR decisions/overturns... before tonight's diabolical decision/injustice...


Hard to believe it's all above board
 
In keeping with other posters, the score for Berge is more a reflection of unreasonable expectations than objective performance. If Berge was a 3 we need to deduct 4 from Norwood on the scale you appear to be using.

Someone wake me up when we've forgotten how much Berge cost and we're judging him objectively.
 
Thought we were pretty languid and slow today, against a AVFC who were seemingly happy to either lump it long or try to feed Grealish so he could squeeze one in. That said, Villa played a lot better than I have seen them play before the shutdown. We just managed to facilitate that. Having Jack and Flecky out hasn't helped (strange how they are out two most revered and valued players, contract-trigger fans) but the replacements were passable and poor in that order.

Henderson 9/10: Simply excellent, and unflappable. If he's acrobatically turning McGinn's strike round the post one minute, he's plucking a dangerous cross off the toes of Samatta or flicking out a hand to deny Davis. We must sign this kid. Playing without him now is unthinkable.
Baldock 7/10: Did his typical 'full of energy' act but was seemingly unable to penetrate until late on in the 2nd half when he had Lunny over with him, and they could link with Bash and Didsy.
Basham 8/10: Another heroic performance and at times had Grealish tucked in his sock
Egan 6.5/10: Seemed to be on his heels a few times by the long punts and the spectre of a big centre forward leaning down on him. In mitigation, he was without his wingman and the communication seemed to be wanting
Robinson 7/10: Thought he did well for a first outing in Jacks boots. Some timely interceptions and interventions
Stevens 6/10: Thought he was pretty average today
Lundstram 6.5/10: First half was passable, improved when he went right in the second but still not really at his early season best. The second half of the MUFC game at home seems to have been his trigger fo slow descent, although he was 'okay' today
Norwood 6.5/10; Typical 'does what he does' outing. Played in the hole in front. Great goal however.
Berge 3/10: I thought he was pretty piss poor to be honest. First game back or not, there's no excuse as a PL footballer to look as unfit and disinterested as that when the club whose shirt you wear has broken its fucking transfer record on you. When I looked at his YT showreel, I thought he reminded me of Currie, drifting past players, making the space and basically being able to run the game. Currie may have had some middling games in red and white, but even in those he 'imposed'. Villa didn't even seem aware of his presence or scared by his ability. He was, today, barely at Championship level and that is bad. I pray Bruges haven't had our kecks down on this and he turns out to be a fucking waste of resources. Look at his contemporaries - look next match for example at Shelvey - and you'll see someone you wouldn't like to be up against in attack and in defence for ninety minutes. That is because he is Premier League standard. Berge - so far - isn't.
McBurnie 6/10: No real opportunities apart from the header from the corner and the intercepted pass. Really, he should have been a lot more imposing on what looked a shaky defence. He did graft though and endeavoured to win back possession
Sharp 6/10: Again, and I have written this before, this is only because the usual goal supply from MF and the R and LWBs was absent today. Last season, the bloke was supplied and he punished Villa hard. It's what Billy does. Today he had to go looking for it and that isn't his game

McGoldrick 4/10: Not a lot of chance to do anything TBH
Freeman 6/10: A far better LMF option than Berge IMHO. He actually looks like he is fighting for the call up
Mousett 4/10: Not really in the game

Like I say, as a game it was poor. Positives are 'we are back' and we didn't concede, but we also failed to attack properly and made Villa look threatening, when really they are far from it and on this showing, look likely to drop with Norwich.

The goal? Shocking, shoddy shambles of a decision, by one of the world's top refs. However, if the tech fails him and he gets no notification, what the tapdancing fuck appeared on those bellends' screens at Stockley? Did any of them not see it - the ball clearly over the line - and think 'the Hawkeye has failed. That's a goal.' Why not get the ref to check the monitor? Why not have the moral courage to buzz the ref and raise a concern? If this were Liverpool, Klopp would have dropped his kecks, forced Oliver's face between the cheeks of his arse and shat in his mouth. Then the players would have taken a knee, Sky TV would have melted down, Jamie Carragher would have run out of spittle and Boris Johnson would have put the nation back into lockdown. So why has everyone already stopped talking about our lost two points? Why is it suddenly 'Hawkeye has apologised, chin up, shit happens'? Has anyone made a count how many points we have lost through Lundstram's ten-foot foot, the ref dispossessing Fleck and now the Villa keeper sliding the ball back into play with a look on his face like he's shut his dick in his wife's underwear drawer and the whole world - and I mean 'planet earth' sat watching and thinking 'aw, that's shit that is.'

Typical United. Not 'typical United' as in four seasons ago, but typical of what we end up with.

PS: All of the above is 'my take' not 'how you saw it'. If you disagree, do it with dignity, eh? I'm not calling you a cunt or killing your cat.

pommpey

mostly agree but I would have given Norwood a 7 and I didn't think it was Basham‘s best game A 6 for me.
 
Berge was absolutely fine Sky rated him 6/10 thats fair.

McBurnie got a 5 and that was also correct.
 
Man Utd will take Deano soon, i think will will have him for one more season. He looks awesome , that stop he made he just swatted it like a fly , we will miss him when he goes .
 
In keeping with other posters, the score for Berge is more a reflection of unreasonable expectations than objective performance. If Berge was a 3 we need to deduct 4 from Norwood on the scale you appear to be using.

Someone wake me up when we've forgotten how much Berge cost and we're judging him objectively.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect Berge to be better. We signed Brayford for £2m on 'expectations' and he turned out to be bobbar in the end.

When you spend eleven times that amount on what is essentially a midfield playmaker and he struggles to maintain connectivity with the game against the second worst team in the league, you stroke your chin and wonder exactly what the fuck we have done. There isn't really enough time to wait for players to turn up in this league, which is why players like Robinson and Morrison don't even get a sniff. The objectivity is there when he is struggling to catch Grealish, when he faffs about on the far touchline not giving players around him any angles or options and can't carry the ball ten metres before being able to be shut out and stopped. For twenty two million he looks like his value in terms of gained advantage is practically nil. Villa just bypassed him today.

pommpey
 
I don't think it's unreasonable to expect Berge to be better. We signed Brayford for £2m on 'expectations' and he turned out to be bobbar in the end.

When you spend eleven times that amount on what is essentially a midfield playmaker and he struggles to maintain connectivity with the game against the second worst team in the league, you stroke your chin and wonder exactly what the fuck we have done. There isn't really enough time to wait for players to turn up in this league, which is why players like Robinson and Morrison don't even get a sniff. The objectivity is there when he is struggling to catch Grealish, when he faffs about on the far touchline not giving players around him any angles or options and can't carry the ball ten metres before being able to be shut out and stopped. For twenty two million he looks like his value in terms of gained advantage is practically nil. Villa just bypassed him today.

pommpey

You're obviously entitled to that opinion and I was a bit sharp yesterday evening in part out of frustration with what had happened with our 'goal', but I still (respectfully) disagree.

We've been here before a good few times in Wilder's reign with players - either taking a while to get to their potential or 'proving us wrong' as fans where we've written them off.

I'm just surprised how quickly we are back to this again in Berge's case when to my eye (been to all but one game he's played in), and considering his pedigree, PLUS our relatively 'no pressure' situation - I thought he'd have a longer grace period with our fans.

All of that aside, in this one particular game - he was not a 3/10 and as I've already said, if that is your benchmark we'd better take a few marks each off of at least half the team. It was a generally uninspiring performance.
 
In keeping with other posters, the score for Berge is more a reflection of unreasonable expectations than objective performance. If Berge was a 3 we need to deduct 4 from Norwood on the scale you appear to be using.

Someone wake me up when we've forgotten how much Berge cost and we're judging him objectively.

And yet to play him in the position he did in Belgium
 



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