kirkby blade
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i pray for top 6 finnish but i think we will be lucky to finnish there
we def be in top 10
we def be in top 10
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with cheap as chips at BDTBL and the squad we have today .........bottom half ...and thats optomistic !![]()
Relegation my arse. If you think the league is full of top weight squads all ready to stomp us into the dirt i suggest you look at the Championship movements tracker
http://www.sufc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10418~1999859,00.html
Who is buying quality, in fact who is buying anyone, really?
We might not have real stars, but we have got a good squad of decent quality and dependable pro's and some fast improving kids. We will be organised, we will be able to defend, we've got three proven 15+ scorers (until Hendo goes...) and we've been there before, too many times maybe, but there is a lot of really good experience around for when times are tougher. Whether we are good enough to make the top two, I dont know. i dont't think we've quite got enough but lets see who comes in this week.
At the risk of repeating myself. Relegation, my arse...
Too true duncs, too true.
The think that really made me smile about looking at our ins and outs is the bit highlighted in bold below
Ins
Nyron Nosworthy (Sunderland - loan)
Rob Kozluk (Barnsley)
Simon Walton (Plymouth Argyle - loan)
Steve Simonsen (Stoke City)
Leon Britton (Swansea City)
Johnny Ertl (Crystal Palace)
Daniel Bogdanovic (Barnsley)
Outs
James Harper (Hull City)
Sam Wedgbury (Macclesfield Town)
Billy Sharp (Sheffield United)
Jordan Stewart (Skoda Xanthi)
Ian Bennett (Huddersfield Town)
Paddy Kenny (QPR)
Gary Naysmith (Huddersfield Town)
Thank fuck for that.
Where did I state that I was worried about the situation? Blackwell is a yes man and I've accpeted that. But him bowing down to the board wanting to sell best players, decrease the wage bill and settle for mediocrity for the time being isn't a major issue for me. I've accepted it.
The big issue for me JD is KB's merits as a manager. I just don't think he is up to the job. His tactics are awful, his man management has been brought into question, his choice of players in usually poor, he never gets the best out of players and he never has a plan B. Some people will say that he has had one hand tied behind his back, but I still feel that with the resources he has had then he should have done better. Yes he's decreased the wage bill and been forced to sell good players, but he inherited a fantastic squad. He's also had numrous decent players who haven't performaned under him or who he has never given a chance. Some might say he has been unlcuky with injuries, but it was incredibly naive of him to have such a thin squad and no defensivce cover. He was lucky to inherit a very good team and over time (as he has made his mark on the team) then he has been shown to be out of his depth.
Really? A fantastic squad that was doing so well that all the kids were taking their shoes of in the car park?
A fantastic squad is about much more than football ability alone. Last seasons disasterous loan situations made it almost impossible for anyone to stand a chance of building a team with proper team spirit and whatever you think of Blackwell that was not his fault.
Do you think Blackwell negotiated Walker's contract and release clause himself? Would you blame him for that too?
I actually think KB did a decent job in very difficult circumstances last season and I think things are looking much better for next season.
All the noises coming out of BDTBL are very positive. You don't need to have the best players to win the league, you have to have thye best TEAM and I think in that respect we are much stronger than last year.
Top 4 for me.
Always good to start the week off with a good laugh, ta very much.
Totally amazing how you can somehow detach Blackwell fromn the shambles that was SUFC in 09/10. He is the bleedin manager, the most vital member of staff. The club revolves around its manager, he sets the tone, trains players, motivates them, picks the team and its tactics, he had circa £14m to spend on wages and produced mind-numbingly shocking performances week after week.
I cannot believe McCabe has let a situation develop where even before the term starts there are thousands of Blades who have no time at all for the manager of the club and who would happily see him dismissed
Blackwell Out.
Have I detached Blackwell?
He is responsible for all the things you say, BUT
He didnt have £14m to spend on wages, someone else had done most of that for him, and connected to that that many of the players that he did have were not his choices. His hands were tied by only having a very small portion of that £14m to spend himself and the restrictions on additional recruitment placed by the board.
I think you will find that it was the players that produced shocking performances week in and week out. I'm certain that KB didn't send them out week after week with the instructions " I want another crap performance this week lads" and it is telling that although KB did defend the players at times last season, he didn't always.
Next season however is a whole new ball game. Last season more or less cleared the decks and there are no excuses left for a repeat performance next time round.
Personally I think we're in for a good season but if I'm wrong then I would agree that Blackwell should take responsibility because his days of trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear are now over.
Yes, I think you are doing exactly that in your earlier post and the above one as well.
Signing Bunn for example was a disgrace, Andrew Davies - pathetic, Taylor - pathetic, Camara - crock, Williamson - crock, Evans - joke. I could go on - you let him off way too easily in my opinion.
Have I detached Blackwell?
He is responsible for all the things you say, BUT
He didnt have £14m to spend on wages, someone else had done most of that for him, and connected to that that many of the players that he did have were not his choices. His hands were tied by only having a very small portion of that £14m to spend himself and the restrictions on additional recruitment placed by the board.
I think you will find that it was the players that produced shocking performances week in and week out. I'm certain that KB didn't send them out week after week with the instructions " I want another crap performance this week lads" and it is telling that although KB did defend the players at times last season, he didn't always.
Next season however is a whole new ball game. Last season more or less cleared the decks and there are no excuses left for a repeat performance next time round.
Personally I think we're in for a good season but if I'm wrong then I would agree that Blackwell should take responsibility because his days of trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear are now over.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Hi Maidenhead,
I agree with a lot of your first post, you certainly have a measured opinion of last season and its true there were a lot of issues way outside Blackwell's remit.
However, my main issue last season was his handling of matters, his personality didn't help and he was clearly under a lot of pressure so his outburst and complete arrogance to not even see his own failings were frustrating to say the least. He handled things badly, but then there were also circumstances and he was the fall guy. He was the yes man.
The club have gone through a lot of changes since our dramatic failure at Wembley more than a year ago.
Excuses aside, the team failed, Blackie failed, McCabe failed and as a club we failed.
But I am in agreement about this season. There is a new found optimism, Birch's role could be argued but one thing is sure in my mind, we're heading on the right direction again. Many of the issues I had towards the end of the season have been addressed or are getting addressed.
Is Blackie the right man for success? I'm not sure, but he seems to fit the bill for the senior management as they're supporting him with getting the right players in. Only time will tell if he can handle it.
I would like to say though that IF Blackie achieves success, then he deserves a lot of credit... but thats something i'm not worried about now, I just want the season to get underway and see if Blackie can get the team to play again...
It's not hindsight though. A manager has to be able to sign better players, they don't all work but Blackie's strike rate is a disgrace.
The point is in this debate that Blackwell is still in charge having signed a pathetic keeper and a joke striker plus a series of crocks and very weak players. This inspite of having a massive budget in CCC terms.
I think we can portion some of the blame on Blackwell for the £14m spent on players. If a manager comes into a club and see's one player on X wages another on Y wages, then surely you think to yourself, 'christ, we could pay for 4-5 with this cash, let's ship em out!'. Blackwell didn't he stuck with them and brought in mediocrity and loans. He's waited until we've suffered for consistency, through lack of numbers and the loan market, before getting rid of big earners such as Sharp and Naysmith.
Too little too late?
I think we can portion some of the blame on Blackwell for the £14m spent on players. If a manager comes into a club and see's one player on X wages another on Y wages, then surely you think to yourself, 'christ, we could pay for 4-5 with this cash, let's ship em out!'. Blackwell didn't he stuck with them and brought in mediocrity and loans. He's waited until we've suffered for consistency, through lack of numbers and the loan market, before getting rid of big earners such as Sharp and Naysmith.
Too little too late?
How did you know Bunn was 'pathetic', Williamson was a 'crock' and Ched would only score a handful of goals without hindsight ?
We know the history behind why he had to bring a keeper in and to be fair, Bunn was hardly a disaster. Willo got injured pre-season and I don't recall many saying Evans was a disatrous signing this time last year (although most questioned the fee).
The reasons for the loans is a well troddened path and whilst you'll never admit that Blackwell had more than his fair share of bad luck last season, like many others, I think it's fair to give him a decent run at it this season with a settled squad. He has shown that he can get results in this division with a settled team regardless of his faults.
Really? A fantastic squad that was doing so well that all the kids were taking their shoes of in the car park?
A fantastic squad is about much more than football ability alone. Last seasons disasterous loan situations made it almost impossible for anyone to stand a chance of building a team with proper team spirit and whatever you think of Blackwell that was not his fault.
Do you think Blackwell negotiated Walker's contract and release clause himself? Would you blame him for that too?
I actually think KB did a decent job in very difficult circumstances last season and I think things are looking much better for next season.
All the noises coming out of BDTBL are very positive. You don't need to have the best players to win the league, you have to have thye best TEAM and I think in that respect we are much stronger than last year.
Top 4 for me.
Hi Maidenhead,
I agree with a lot of your first post, you certainly have a measured opinion of last season and its true there were a lot of issues way outside Blackwell's remit.
However, my main issue last season was his handling of matters, his personality didn't help and he was clearly under a lot of pressure so his outburst and complete arrogance to not even see his own failings were frustrating to say the least. He handled things badly, but then there were also circumstances and he was the fall guy. He was the yes man.
The club have gone through a lot of changes since our dramatic failure at Wembley more than a year ago.
Excuses aside, the team failed, Blackie failed, McCabe failed and as a club we failed.
But I am in agreement about this season. There is a new found optimism, Birch's role could be argued but one thing is sure in my mind, we're heading on the right direction again. Many of the issues I had towards the end of the season have been addressed or are getting addressed.
Is Blackie the right man for success? I'm not sure, but he seems to fit the bill for the senior management as they're supporting him with getting the right players in. Only time will tell if he can handle it.
I would like to say though that IF Blackie achieves success, then he deserves a lot of credit... but thats something i'm not worried about now, I just want the season to get underway and see if Blackie can get the team to play again...
A very well balanced response Swiss. You see Maidenhead Swiss was defending Blackwell at the start of last season, but after week in week out dire performances and poor results he started to change his mind. Micalijo and I have been trying to tempt him over the othe dark side for some time and he is pretty close.
Regardless of all this debate, we are stuck with King Kev. So time will tell Maidenhead. If KB takes us to top 4, I'll swallow my words and but you a pint ....... in fact I'll bow down infront of you and say I'm not worthy. So this year it's shit or bust for Blackwell. I don't want to hear any more excuses about decreasing wage bills, best players being sold, injuries, no money and la de da. If Blackwell is to get any credit (from me) I want to us to go out there and try to win every game. Attack teams and play to our strengths. Play 4-4-2 away from home and stop this negative nonsense. If he does this then I'll give him credit. But above all we expect results. Some are predicting play offs, but I say that we'll be nowhere near!
How did you know Bunn was 'pathetic', Williamson was a 'crock' and Ched would only score a handful of goals without hindsight ?
But that's all we have to go on, whereas the club has a scouting network that stops us signing such players. Or maybe we don't, maybe Blackwell just picks up the Daily Star, sees what the latest is on Jordan then turns to the "sports" pages and signs players on the strength of that.
You're more intelligent than you sometimes appear Jimbo, take off the blinkers, stop defending the indefensible take a deep breath and admit that sometimes the club doesn't do itself any favours with the fans![]()
Mic will say Blackwell is crap because Bunn was pathetic, Ched was crap etc etc. My argument is that when we signed Bunn, it was potentially a decent signing, as was Ched, the fact the latter has failed to live up to the potential so far is not Blackwell's fault entirely.
You say there's a problem with the scouting network, is that Blackwell's fault ?
I agree entirely that there's problems with the club and Blackwell's made mistakes, what I will argue against is when the likes of Mic put the blame for everything at Blackwell's door when sometimes, just sometimes, it isn't![]()
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