Man Up

[Oreyt]

It's a football forum with a fast eroding sense of community Lenners.

I just get bored of the small minority that not only seem to enjoy the moaning, but to actually get off on ripping every single little thing the club does to shreds. Every purchase is met with dissapointment, every sale with derision and any strategy to improve things off or on the pitch with cynicism. It's dull as ditch water. How do they deal life outside SUFC?

 

[Bayingblade]

Derrywan,
It's a football forum, perhaps you're taking it a bit too seriously. You're free to be bored, disappointed, anything you like but I think perhaps you're confusing that with an inability to accept other people just see things differently and will consistently point out the inconsistencies and nonsense dripping out of the club.

Then why don't you contact the club and point out the "inconsistencies and nonsense dripping out" and help them out Len, as they clearly have a problem which you appear to be able to help them with?

After all, you seem to know the problems and appear to have the solutions. Given the time you spend on here, it appears that availability is not an issue so why not? If the club benefits from your wisdom, we all do.

 

[lenners]

play the ball not the man and no one has a problem

The irony is that I do play the ball but then find myself on the end of a reducer.
It doesn't bother me though, it's just a forum.

 

[shorehamview]

Derrywan,
It's a football forum, perhaps you're taking it a bit too seriously. You're free to be bored, disappointed, anything you like but I think perhaps you're confusing that with an inability to accept other people just see things differently and will consistently point out the inconsistencies and nonsense dripping out of the club.

Firstly this reply ISN'T intended as a dig specifically at lenners. But the first line of the quote applies to him and others.

....It's a football forum, perhaps you're taking it a bit too seriously.....

I think you are free to accept that whereas you see it as "consistently point[ing] out the inconsistencies and nonsense" some of us see it as "moaning all the bloody time". Derrywan is correct in one thing - this board has changed since the demise of BU. Most of it has been for the best, but there are some posters on here who think that because it's something they have said it should be above questioning.

We used to be able to take the mickey out of each other one here and it wouldn't get too far out of hand; it would certainly be taken in good spirit. Now it seems that if you dare to suggest that perhaps not everything is doom and gloom, or just disagree with one point of view on matters from football to, amongst others, humour, you are either a "seal", a "clapper", a "tit" or a "cunt".

These are all words that have been used by members on here towards others recently. Not a very nice way to suggest you might not agree with somebody. Especially the last one.

It's meant to be something we enjoy. Even if the club seems to be going down the wrong path, and flogging your best talent would encompass that, why the hell do some people insist on the view that they alone are right? That their opinion is the only one worth having, and if you disagree you are perceived to be a fool? If you want to come here and express your opinion, then be prepared to accept that some may disagree. That's a discussion, and that's fine. But if you are one of the select few who believe that they are correct simply because they say they are then do the rest of us - those who like a discussion rather than being dictated to - a big favour and take your narrow-minded view of the world elsewhere. Maybe Blades ReUnited, maybe somewhere else.

Those of us who have been posting on here for ages do so because we like the banter, and the "pub-style" witterings. We like the sort of discussion that has carried on to the Lion and other pubs in the real world. If your sort of discussion is the one where there is no discussion because you are always correct, because hey, it's you saying it, then you might be best suited to taking your soapbox down to Speaker's Corner where a whole procession of people will not want to talk to you but might listen for a few minutes.

Would you talk to anyone from this forum in person the way you do on here? "I'm always right, because I say so. It's me saying it, therefore it's right." If you were to approach any of the forum members at the Lion and talk at them in this manner then you might just get told to fuck off. In real life. If you are prepared for a discussion where some of the participants might not agree 100% with you then you are our kind of person, and might get bought a pint. Don't hold your breath with some of the tight buggers though. But if you aren't then please take your soapbox and go and bother somebody who is prepared to listen, because several of the members of this forum are getting a little bit pissed off with the constant superiority complex of a few posters.

I'm not saying one argument is better than the others here. I'm not supporting or attacking any aspect of the club. I'm not venturing an opinion on it. I'm merely saying that as this is a public forum you get all sorts, but you should be prepared to have The Gospel According To You challenged. If you don't like the criticism then keep your views to yourself, that way nobody will question them.

There are lots of members on here. Some lurk, some post a lot. Some disagree with others, but in a way that encourages the debate to continue. If you post with the view that you are 100% correct because you say so all the time then perhaps you could ask Linz or Foxy to lock every thread you contribute to, because if you are right all the time then there's no point in carrying it on, is there?


And in the words of lenners -

....It's a football forum, perhaps you're taking it a bit too seriously.....

That includes all of us. Not just some of us.

 

[lenners]

It's a football forum with a fast eroding sense of community Lenners. People feel part of it for a number of reasons, whether they've made friends here, see it as a connection to the club or just enjoy using the place. Some have also contributed towards it's continued running/future with donations. These reasons and many others make it more than just a football forum to some.

Believe it or not it isn't just a place to slag others off, proclaim they are stupid or blatantly wind them up.

It isn't anything to do with an inability to accept that others have different views, people have always had different views and continue to do so... It's to do with the biting, slagging and personal crusades that are creeping in.

I know, but I don't mind the other posters doing that. I'm used to it, don't feel protective on my behalf.

 

[Micalijo]

I just get bored of the small minority that not only seem to enjoy the moaning, but to actually get off on ripping every single little thing the club does to shreds. Every purchase is met with dissapointment, every sale with derision and any strategy to improve things off or on the pitch with cynicism. It's dull as ditch water. How do they deal life outside SUFC?

Strategy - what's that? Do you mean selling Kyle Walker for peanuts and not getting a true year long loan. As Brownie says, man up. I detest Blackwell as a manager. I don't detest everything about life. I laugh at Monty, I deride him, jeer him but often applaud him when it matters in the heat of battle. Get a sense of balance like you seem to say people like I should. I enjoy so much about SUFC, mainly memories at the moment obviously but everytime I drive down Bramall Lane into town there's still a buzz. Realise for once that people who are criticial of the club are not some lunatic fringe numbering twenty or so. Thousand upon thousands of Blades are fed up with alot of things. Hopefully it will change for the better soon.

 

[Micalijo]

Good stuff Len.

....or on my behalf Foxy/Linz.

 

[Foxy]

I know, but I don't mind the other posters doing that. I'm used to it, don't feel protective on my behalf.

I'm protective on everybodies behalf and would rather ensure the majority can continue to enjoy using the place.

I'd rather not put the time, effort and funds into somewhere that the majority no longer enjoy and have an additional responsibility to those who have kindly donated towards helping us do so.

The community is this place, this place is my baby, therefore I am protective whether you'd like me to be or not.

 

[shorehamview]

A man walks into a new pub, because his old one has closed. He immediately resumes his mission of badgering as many people as possible, telling them how only he knows the real truth that The Powers That Be are keeping to themselves.

Eventually, one of the old regulars tells the New Pub Bore to fuck off. New Pub Bore is astonished - why are they treating him like this? All he is doing is telling the truth.
At least, as he sees it. And he is right, because it's him seeing it. He Tells It Like It Is, or at least Like It Should Be. Or Might Be, Anyhow.

He can't understand why the pub regulars don't like being called wrong all the time, or simpletons, blinkered and naive. He can't even understand why they got so upset they shoved twelve pool balls up his arse and a cue down his throat before shoving him head-first into a wheelie bin.

After all, you'd think they would be grateful for having it pointed out that they are marine mammals. And cunts.

Honestly, some people.....

 

[Ollessendro]

A man walks into a new pub, because his old one has closed. He immediately resumes his mission of badgering as many people as possible, telling them how only he knows the real truth that The Powers That Be are keeping to themselves.

Eventually, one of the old regulars tells the New Pub Bore to fuck off. New Pub Bore is astonished - why are they treating him like this? All he is doing is telling the truth.
At least, as he sees it. And he is right, because it's him seeing it. He Tells It Like It Is, or at least Like It Should Be. Or Might Be, Anyhow.

He can't understand why the pub regulars don't like being called wrong all the time, or simpletons, blinkered and naive. He can't even understand why they got so upset they shoved twelve pool balls up his arse and a cue down his throat before shoving him head-first into a wheelie bin.

After all, you'd think they would be grateful for having it pointed out that they are marine mammals. And cunts.

Honestly, some people.....

Lmao. Very funny post and great analrgy!

Just been reading through a few selected threads on here, and at the moment all it seems to be doom, gloom and loads of bitching and sniping at each others.

At the moment we have lost all the Premiership Parachute money and McCabe's fortune has taken a big hit in the global recession over the last 2 or 3 year, as a result as a club Sheffield United are not in a position to maintain one of the highest wage bills in this division, are not in a position throw million upon millions of pounds around in the transfer windows. With the budget the club now have, it is more sensible for us to budget in accordance with the money that we have got available rather than spending it all willy nilly on the never never in the vain hope that we might get back to the Premiership.

Take a look at what Neil Warnock did at various points during his last couple of years at the club, play United and Pompey off against each other in order to get himself a bigger contract, this was done at a crucial point in a promotion season where had began to wobble a bit. He was given money to spend and wasted it on luminaries such as Geoff Horsfield, Ade Akinbiyi, Luton Shelton, Ahmed Fathi to name four. He followed this up by actually admitting in his book that he felt let down during the week before the relegation showdown with Wigan, and that probably had a big implication on our survival chances and is a huge reason why we didn't stay up.

Step forward the clueless twosome of Terry Robinson and Bryan Robson, with one of the biggest wagebills available in the history of the club and a handsome warchest and a mandate for promotion, we appoint Robson, a manager with a chequered history, a penchant for getting pissed who with the exceptions of Naysmith, and Beattie completely and utterly blew it. Lee Hendrie, David Carney took home huge salaries for exactly what?

We had the chance to cement a place in the premiership and i think that we completely and utterly blew it and what are we left with..........

A football club that is on a bit of a decline and bottoming out, but i have seen us decline and drop back a good 5 or 6 times during my time supporting United, but then i have seen us bottom out and then make progress yet again and push forwards again in the future.

It's doesn't do anyone any good, to spend hour upon hour slagging anyone and everyone off, having pointless little bunfights about differences of opinions. Things aren't great at the moment but i can't see for a single second how things can be improved by people constantly bitching and sniping about everything and anything about the club. I think there are quite a few people who seriously need to step back, and look at the club from the perspective of the shape we are in with a bit of realism and common sense and accept that we are not in a position to spend wildly and to man up, because as soon as the slump bottoms out then we will get moving again and at some point we will make some real progress, it might not happen today or tomorrow, but there is a good time coming, we just all need to man up a bit, be patient and it will happen...... .....

Appreciate your sentiments Brownie and agree with a lot of what you say (particualrly about bottoming out) but this is a forum and it is made for debate. If everyone took the view of standing back and waiting for United to bottom out it would be really boring. The whole point of this forum is to debate United related issues. The situation is a little bleak at the moment and hence many people are negative. I do agree that the name calling, personal insults and swearing at others should be cut out. I'm not one to complain about negavitity and debating/arguing because it is part and parcel of the forum (as long as it stays within the rules).

I also agree with being patient and taking in the bigger picture. However that won't stop me from debating with someone who offers an opinion I disgree with. I am seen as a negative poster or 'knocker' but I haven't got too much to be postive about, in terms of supporting my club. I've also been criticised for being 'aggressive' and/or 'patronising' but I only make comments I'd be happy to say to someones face in the pub. That said we should all be careful and try to respect each other as words can be misinterpreted when they are read much more than when they are spoken.

 

[Eskimo]

It was a good post Brownie. Everyone is disappointed, having been so close to sustainable success only to blow it/be robbed etc etc etc and this comes out time after time in posts. Like others I've seen it many times before and it hurts. I do not agree with you about Warnock though - in the 8 years (was it?) he was manager he did much more good than bad and I wish we had him back. I always believed that we were improving Warnock and the results generally proved that. My worry now is that the club lacks character. I honestly do not know if Blackwell is a good football manager or not but he does not inspire. When we hit rock bottom and the 4th division there was a backs to the wall feel to the club and everyone rallied round even though the quality of players was poor. We need a bit of inspiration and enthusiasm now from the club which may well come if there is a good start to the season, but the danger is we start badly and all the disappointment and negativity comes out and we end up like Wednesday, Leeds, Man City Villa and the others who have had to drop further before bouncing back (except Wednesday - ha). Best tThink positive.

 

[TheSwollengland]

All I know is that in my first full season 1968 we got relegated and apart from a few years in the early 70`s it was pretty shite there after .In the late 70s I started to get really into going home and away season after season and the thing that kept me going was the lads (sorry ladies but in those days it was nearly 100% blokes ) who I watched with week in week out ,close friends and 100`s of faces who I only new from the Lane and away ,many of whom I still only know to nod at in acknowledgment of shared experience.
I have had good times (the Bassett years will live with me till I die,and the Warnock sucesses ) but mostly I have been guilty of following a club which seems eternally doomed to failure and betrayal of it supporters .Would I have it any other way ?feck off ! The people I have met along the way have made it worthwhile
Supporting this club was until recently the realm of those of us who like to stick the rods up at those that like the more sedate side of the game , we were underdogs that bit,proud ,hard and up for it on and off the pitch.
Theres a new breed that seems to think we have a right to challenge with the big boys all the time and that any periods where we revert back and have to lick our wounds are something to be picked at and discussed in a way that does niether the club or us as supporters any good and lends ammunition to those that want to use it against us

I have been guilty myself at times but ultimately this club ,that shirt and the badge are worth my time ,effort and hard earned cash ,having done it already ,if they fall even further from grace I will still be there on a Saturday ,at the Lane at least as my travelling days are few and far these days .

Like Brownie says ,feckin man up ,stop feckin moaning for moanings sake (you knew what you were getting into when you joined ) and get behind what ever 11 turns out

FFS I have know kids that are pig fans all there lives ,so think yourselves feckin lucky

 

[Bramley]

No mention of the £20m brucie bonus there Brownie.
Funny how it almost doesn't exist anymore.
A Championship football club given £20m and yet we have posters falling over themselves not to question what the bloody hell has gone on at Bramall Lane.
£20m and we can't afford to keep either Kenny or Naysmith or a host of other players, never mind buy any.
I doubt the questions will be stopping any time soon.

They will for a couple of weeks if you go on holiday.

 

[Jimbo]

I have had good times (the Bassett years will live with me till I die,and the Warnock sucesses ) but mostly I have been guilty of following a club which seems eternally doomed to failure and betrayal of it supporters .Would I have it any other way ?feck off ! The people I have met along the way have made it worthwhile
Supporting this club was until recently the realm of those of us who like to stick the rods up at those that like the more sedate side of the game , we were underdogs that bit,proud ,hard and up for it on and off the pitch.
Theres a new breed that seems to think we have a right to challenge with the big boys all the time and that any periods where we revert back and have to lick our wounds are something to be picked at and discussed in a way that does niether the club or us as supporters any good and lends ammunition to those that want to use it against us

I have been guilty myself at times but ultimately this club ,that shirt and the badge are worth my time ,effort and hard earned cash ,having done it already ,if they fall even further from grace I will still be there on a Saturday ,at the Lane at least as my travelling days are few and far these days .

Like Brownie says ,feckin man up ,stop feckin moaning for moanings sake (you knew what you were getting into when you joined ) and get behind what ever 11 turns out

FFS I have know kids that are pig fans all there lives ,so think yourselves feckin lucky

Excellent post. Couldn't agree more.

 

[super_pig]

we'd bottom out a damned sight faster if we got rid of this clown blackwell and his cronies monty and quinn. there are two camps here.. pro blackwell.. oooh give the guy another chance.. the injuries.. suspensions.. wembley hangover.. yadda yadda and the anti blackwell (yeah ok i'm one of them) .. passions run high about this stuff.. but that is the reason that i dont' like blackwell. i've never seen anyone split the club as much as this man does.. not even robson.. i've seen people fighting in the stands over this guy ffs

>Theres a new breed that seems to think we have a right to challenge with the big boys all the time
what you on about 'new breed'.. i can remember bassett and warnock.. pfft.. i can remember harris mate.. i've been here since '73 .. i can remember when chelsea and man utd were in the old second division..

>you knew what you were getting into when you joined
no mate i was seven..
personally i get fed up of reading all of this crap about .. ooh stop moaning.. you're not a real fan because you moan and have opinions..

 

[Bramley]

Firstly this reply ISN'T intended as a dig specifically at lenners. But the first line of the quote applies to him and others.



I think you are free to accept that whereas you see it as "consistently point[ing] out the inconsistencies and nonsense" some of us see it as "moaning all the bloody time". Derrywan is correct in one thing - this board has changed since the demise of BU. Most of it has been for the best, but there are some posters on here who think that because it's something they have said it should be above questioning.

We used to be able to take the mickey out of each other one here and it wouldn't get too far out of hand; it would certainly be taken in good spirit. Now it seems that if you dare to suggest that perhaps not everything is doom and gloom, or just disagree with one point of view on matters from football to, amongst others, humour, you are either a "seal", a "clapper", a "tit" or a "cunt".

These are all words that have been used by members on here towards others recently. Not a very nice way to suggest you might not agree with somebody. Especially the last one.

It's meant to be something we enjoy. Even if the club seems to be going down the wrong path, and flogging your best talent would encompass that, why the hell do some people insist on the view that they alone are right? That their opinion is the only one worth having, and if you disagree you are perceived to be a fool? If you want to come here and express your opinion, then be prepared to accept that some may disagree. That's a discussion, and that's fine. But if you are one of the select few who believe that they are correct simply because they say they are then do the rest of us - those who like a discussion rather than being dictated to - a big favour and take your narrow-minded view of the world elsewhere. Maybe Blades ReUnited, maybe somewhere else.

Those of us who have been posting on here for ages do so because we like the banter, and the "pub-style" witterings. We like the sort of discussion that has carried on to the Lion and other pubs in the real world. If your sort of discussion is the one where there is no discussion because you are always correct, because hey, it's you saying it, then you might be best suited to taking your soapbox down to Speaker's Corner where a whole procession of people will not want to talk to you but might listen for a few minutes.

Would you talk to anyone from this forum in person the way you do on here? "I'm always right, because I say so. It's me saying it, therefore it's right." If you were to approach any of the forum members at the Lion and talk at them in this manner then you might just get told to fuck off. In real life. If you are prepared for a discussion where some of the participants might not agree 100% with you then you are our kind of person, and might get bought a pint. Don't hold your breath with some of the tight buggers though. But if you aren't then please take your soapbox and go and bother somebody who is prepared to listen, because several of the members of this forum are getting a little bit pissed off with the constant superiority complex of a few posters.

I'm not saying one argument is better than the others here. I'm not supporting or attacking any aspect of the club. I'm not venturing an opinion on it. I'm merely saying that as this is a public forum you get all sorts, but you should be prepared to have The Gospel According To You challenged. If you don't like the criticism then keep your views to yourself, that way nobody will question them.

There are lots of members on here. Some lurk, some post a lot. Some disagree with others, but in a way that encourages the debate to continue. If you post with the view that you are 100% correct because you say so all the time then perhaps you could ask Linz or Foxy to lock every thread you contribute to, because if you are right all the time then there's no point in carrying it on, is there?


And in the words of lenners -



That includes all of us. Not just some of us.

I might even pop in the Lion and buy you a pint for that post. Top man.

 

[derrywan]

there are two camps here.. pro blackwell.. oooh give the guy another chance.. the injuries.. suspensions.. wembley hangover.. yadda yadda and the anti blackwell

This is where part of the problem is - I've seen almost no dyed in the wool Blackwell apologists on this forum in reality, but many of the most vocal on here have convinced themselves they have, and they treat people who are not virulently anti-blackwell as the enemy within. The relationship of the self appointed Anti-Blackwell Junta to other Blades who won't lick their arses is pretty much indistinguishable from their attitude to fans of any other club - "you're not a real blade, you're mugging yourself because you don't agree with me", basically. That has to be wrong.

 

[Ollessendro]

I might even pop in the Lion and buy you a pint for that post. Top man.

I'll second that.

Firstly this reply ISN'T intended as a dig specifically at lenners. But the first line of the quote applies to him and others.



I think you are free to accept that whereas you see it as "consistently point[ing] out the inconsistencies and nonsense" some of us see it as "moaning all the bloody time". Derrywan is correct in one thing - this board has changed since the demise of BU. Most of it has been for the best, but there are some posters on here who think that because it's something they have said it should be above questioning.

We used to be able to take the mickey out of each other one here and it wouldn't get too far out of hand; it would certainly be taken in good spirit. Now it seems that if you dare to suggest that perhaps not everything is doom and gloom, or just disagree with one point of view on matters from football to, amongst others, humour, you are either a "seal", a "clapper", a "tit" or a "cunt".

These are all words that have been used by members on here towards others recently. Not a very nice way to suggest you might not agree with somebody. Especially the last one.

It's meant to be something we enjoy. Even if the club seems to be going down the wrong path, and flogging your best talent would encompass that, why the hell do some people insist on the view that they alone are right? That their opinion is the only one worth having, and if you disagree you are perceived to be a fool? If you want to come here and express your opinion, then be prepared to accept that some may disagree. That's a discussion, and that's fine. But if you are one of the select few who believe that they are correct simply because they say they are then do the rest of us - those who like a discussion rather than being dictated to - a big favour and take your narrow-minded view of the world elsewhere. Maybe Blades ReUnited, maybe somewhere else.

Those of us who have been posting on here for ages do so because we like the banter, and the "pub-style" witterings. We like the sort of discussion that has carried on to the Lion and other pubs in the real world. If your sort of discussion is the one where there is no discussion because you are always correct, because hey, it's you saying it, then you might be best suited to taking your soapbox down to Speaker's Corner where a whole procession of people will not want to talk to you but might listen for a few minutes.

Would you talk to anyone from this forum in person the way you do on here? "I'm always right, because I say so. It's me saying it, therefore it's right." If you were to approach any of the forum members at the Lion and talk at them in this manner then you might just get told to fuck off. In real life. If you are prepared for a discussion where some of the participants might not agree 100% with you then you are our kind of person, and might get bought a pint. Don't hold your breath with some of the tight buggers though. But if you aren't then please take your soapbox and go and bother somebody who is prepared to listen, because several of the members of this forum are getting a little bit pissed off with the constant superiority complex of a few posters.

I'm not saying one argument is better than the others here. I'm not supporting or attacking any aspect of the club. I'm not venturing an opinion on it. I'm merely saying that as this is a public forum you get all sorts, but you should be prepared to have The Gospel According To You challenged. If you don't like the criticism then keep your views to yourself, that way nobody will question them.

There are lots of members on here. Some lurk, some post a lot. Some disagree with others, but in a way that encourages the debate to continue. If you post with the view that you are 100% correct because you say so all the time then perhaps you could ask Linz or Foxy to lock every thread you contribute to, because if you are right all the time then there's no point in carrying it on, is there?


And in the words of lenners -



That includes all of us. Not just some of us.

Excellent post SV. Spot on! We don't always see eye to eye, in fact I think that we often have differing opinions, but I agree with all your sentiments.

 

[shorehamview]

We don't always see eye to eye, in fact I think that we often have differing opinions, but I agree with all your sentiments.

We don't have to see eye to eye about the trivial shit, and when it all comes down to it, the chairman, manager and players while contributing to the immediate success or failure of the club are basically not what makes a football club. They are, to a greater or lesser degree, the trivial shit. Sometimes they are important trivial shit, but it's like having a car. They are the metallic paintwork, the leather upholstery, the sat nav and the cd player. We are the running gear - the chassis, the wheels, clutch, gearbox, and the other bits that make it go and stop. Without the fancy shit the car still goes. Without the engine, the car goes nowhere. We are the engine. We make it go. They make it either a Rolls Royce or a Ferrari, a rusty but still classy Capri or a battered Cavalier.

It's us, the fans. We are the important bit. Sure, without good players, management and board we might not do well, but without anybody to watch and support the team it doesn't matter if we have eleven blokes in comas or nick Barcelona's team, without us to support them they are nothing. And it doesn't have to be blind support, but if we all stay at home they'll soon lose interest and the club will fold.

So don't worry if we don't see eye to eye. We don't have to. But it's so much nicer if we can be nicer.

The car may be a bit past it's best and in need of some TLC, but as long as the wheels are all turning the right way it doesn't matter if the paint peels a bit, or if the seats smell faintly of wee.

 

[silverfox]

We don't have to see eye to eye about the trivial shit, and when it all comes down to it, the chairman, manager and players while contributing to the immediate success or failure of the club are basically not what makes a football club. They are, to a greater or lesser degree, the trivial shit. Sometimes they are important trivial shit, but it's like having a car. They are the metallic paintwork, the leather upholstery, the sat nav and the cd player. We are the running gear - the chassis, the wheels, clutch, gearbox, and the other bits that make it go and stop. Without the fancy shit the car still goes. Without the engine, the car goes nowhere. We are the engine. We make it go. They make it either a Rolls Royce or a Ferrari, a rusty but still classy Capri or a battered Cavalier.

It's us, the fans. We are the important bit. Sure, without good players, management and board we might not do well, but without anybody to watch and support the team it doesn't matter if we have eleven blokes in comas or nick Barcelona's team, without us to support them they are nothing. And it doesn't have to be blind support, but if we all stay at home they'll soon lose interest and the club will fold.

So don't worry if we don't see eye to eye. We don't have to. But it's so much nicer if we can be nicer.

The car may be a bit past it's best and in need of some TLC, but as long as the wheels are all turning the right way it doesn't matter if the paint peels a bit, or if the seats smell faintly of wee.

My big end has gone and my drive shafts have seen better days!

 

[shorehamview]

And if you agree with any of my witterings and want to pop into the Lion because I'm fucking ace and you want to buy me a pint, don't.
Even though I am.
Save your money for something more worthwhile.

Right at the top of this page there is a "Donate" button. Click on that. Donate, even if it's only a quid. Don't buy me a beer, because at my time of life it's not in me too long, and in the end you'll just be paying for me to wee.

 

[TheSwollengland]

we'd bottom out a damned sight faster if we got rid of this clown blackwell and his cronies monty and quinn. there are two camps here.. pro blackwell.. oooh give the guy another chance.. the injuries.. suspensions.. wembley hangover.. yadda yadda and the anti blackwell (yeah ok i'm one of them) .. passions run high about this stuff.. but that is the reason that i dont' like blackwell. i've never seen anyone split the club as much as this man does.. not even robson.. i've seen people fighting in the stands over this guy ffs

>Theres a new breed that seems to think we have a right to challenge with the big boys all the time
what you on about 'new breed'.. i can remember bassett and warnock.. pfft.. i can remember harris mate.. i've been here since '73 .. i can remember when chelsea and man utd were in the old second division..

Then you should know these are not the bad days ,weve had worse and we`ll have worse


>you knew what you were getting into when you joined
no mate i was seven..
personally i get fed up of reading all of this crap about .. ooh stop moaning.. you're not a real fan because you moan and have opinions..
then youve had enough time to see it and pack in and if its that shit move on and where did i question anybody "real fan" status ?
pesonally I am sick of reading some dumb f*ck moan as if we as a group of supporters have any option other than to put up with or ..feck off and get into DIY matchdays

or words to that effect

 

[bladeinlondon]

I agree we have some cause for optimism despite the disappointment of players like Kenny and Naysmith who have sponged and then followed the money. We have a good rump of players Morgs Monty Ward Cresswell Willo Yeates etc. We need a few more in and we will be ok. We have been there or thereabouts since relegation despite all the crises of the last season and I expect the same next season
UTB

 

[gavtheblade]

We don't have to see eye to eye about the trivial shit, and when it all comes down to it, the chairman, manager and players while contributing to the immediate success or failure of the club are basically not what makes a football club. They are, to a greater or lesser degree, the trivial shit. Sometimes they are important trivial shit, but it's like having a car. They are the metallic paintwork, the leather upholstery, the sat nav and the cd player. We are the running gear - the chassis, the wheels, clutch, gearbox, and the other bits that make it go and stop. Without the fancy shit the car still goes. Without the engine, the car goes nowhere. We are the engine. We make it go. They make it either a Rolls Royce or a Ferrari, a rusty but still classy Capri or a battered Cavalier.

It's us, the fans. We are the important bit. Sure, without good players, management and board we might not do well, but without anybody to watch and support the team it doesn't matter if we have eleven blokes in comas or nick Barcelona's team, without us to support them they are nothing. And it doesn't have to be blind support, but if we all stay at home they'll soon lose interest and the club will fold.

So don't worry if we don't see eye to eye. We don't have to. But it's so much nicer if we can be nicer.

The car may be a bit past it's best and in need of some TLC, but as long as the wheels are all turning the right way it doesn't matter if the paint peels a bit, or if the seats smell faintly of wee.

and yes rich,yours does smell of wee wee

 

[bricktop]

Having left this thread for 24 hours i've decided to have a look at the responses were, and how people have reacted and half of me is pleased that it has a reaction and the other half of me is disappointed that it is the same old crap from the same old protagonists.

What is essentially a place to discuss United tends to veer off in to the same old dull and tedious argument between the usual suspects, and no new debate is ever formed but old mud is raked over and over again and after a while i wonder what is the point of spending time and energy in joining the debate when the debate is like groundhog day. I read this forum and where are the nostalgia threads, the obscure debate about 1980's youth team players, the irreverent stuff, the comedy stuff, and its not there and for me this forum is not as readable or as enjoyable as it used to be. If i want to here the usual suspects having the usual boring argument then i will turn my radio on to Football Heaven, but for the same old arguments i'm rapidly losing the will to use this (or other) Sheffield United forums as there is never anything new to debate about, or any new avenues of debate persued. To see a group of people who seem hell bent on getting themselves involved in all this tedious crap and petty point scoring that its now starting to get boring. I know i've been guilty of spending too much time on these forums and i have been a regular for near on a decade, and at times i have let myself get worked up over the debates and arguments that have raged, but now they seem to have gone from interesting and informed to being a series of petty and repetitive arguments. Other aspects of my life have changed in that time meaning that i have less time and less inclination to get myself too involved and worked up in what goes off on a football message board to the extent that i can take it or leave it, and if there is nothing left worth reading then i'll leave it alone until there is something worth getting involved with which has become rarer and rarer nowadays

The people i feel sorry for are Foxy and Linz who have tried to make this place a friendly place for informed chat, but when they see some of the garbage that gets regurgitated on here then sometimes i bet they feel like banging their heads against a brick wall. I feel for the more established poster who have been around for years on some of these places but hardly bother posting because they are browbeaten due to the amount of crap posted and what they post gets caught up in the whirlpool of crap.

It's not writing this as a clapper but as a loyal and long time supporter who has seen better days but very pertinently seen a hell of a lot worse.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Where's that bloody thanks button!!!!!!!!!

 

[TheSwollengland]

Sorry to disapoint oldboy

 

[lenners]

Brownie,
For goodness sake, United are a load of shite at the moment, losing good players, left, right and centre, we're in bucketloads of debt, we've ruined our opportunity to build for a generation, we've chucked away the young players who came through our ranks, no-one really trusts what the club says etc, etc
We can natter about the whereabouts of David Frain or Mark Blount or consider whatever happened to that left back with the latin name that Neil brought on at Gillingham for the last three minutes or hark back to the identity of the zone man or wonder at Steve Thompson's mesmeric half-time teamtalk at Old Trafford and the tactical brilliance of an attacking ploy which consisted only of 'get it to Quinny' but to me it all seems hollow at the moment.
Beneath all the money bollocks, the examination of balance sheets, the pros and cons of how much we got for selling the latest out the door and so on, the bottom line is that we have lost our soul.
Where's the great memories in last season? It's just a statistical exercise in trying to remember as many of the 40 names as you can. Only a few of them feel like real United players to me.
I look at next season and we're going to have the guts of Morgan and Monty and not much else. Sharp, who I'm not convinced about anyway, will probably go so we'll have no players at all that have come through the ranks.
The football will be dire, there'll be a lack of joy in the way we go out to play, little imagination and next to no flair.
We can all enjoy going for a few beers along the way but the football itself has less and less to recommend itself for.
Blackpool have showed how it can be done. Burnley likewise the season before. If only we could inject some real purpose or imagination into what we're trying to do - simply go out there and give it a go.
For me, all the gubbins about who's a good poster, who's a bad poster, why the forum's bad or not as good as it used to be is really only a symptom of what everyone really feels about the state of our football club at the moment. We badly need a sprinkling of stardust.

 

[JohnDenver]

Brownie,
For goodness sake, United are a load of shite at the moment, losing good players, left, right and centre, we're in bucketloads of debt, we've ruined our opportunity to build for a generation, we've chucked away the young players who came through our ranks, no-one really trusts what the club says etc, etc
We can natter about the whereabouts of David Frain or Mark Blount or consider whatever happened to that left back with the latin name that Neil brought on at Gillingham for the last three minutes or hark back to the identity of the zone man or wonder at Steve Thompson's mesmeric half-time teamtalk at Old Trafford and the tactical brilliance of an attacking ploy which consisted only of 'get it to Quinny' but to me it all seems hollow at the moment.
Beneath all the money bollocks, the examination of balance sheets, the pros and cons of how much we got for selling the latest out the door and so on, the bottom line is that we have lost our soul.
Where's the great memories in last season? It's just a statistical exercise in trying to remember as many of the 40 names as you can. Only a few of them feel like real United players to me.
I look at next season and we're going to have the guts of Morgan and Monty and not much else. Sharp, who I'm not convinced about anyway, will probably go so we'll have no players at all that have come through the ranks.
The football will be dire, there'll be a lack of joy in the way we go out to play, little imagination and next to no flair.
We can all enjoy going for a few beers along the way but the football itself has less and less to recommend itself for.
Blackpool have showed how it can be done. Burnley likewise the season before. If only we could inject some real purpose or imagination into what we're trying to do - simply go out there and give it a go.
For me, all the gubbins about who's a good poster, who's a bad poster, why the forum's bad or not as good as it used to be is really only a symptom of what everyone really feels about the state of our football club at the moment. We badly need a sprinkling of stardust.

Do you not think that part of "losing our soul" stems from many fans exchanging their wryness for bitterness, hope for expectation, humour for anger?

Without denying for a moment we've got problems, what really matters is us and our attitude.

 

[lenners]

Do you not think that part of "losing our soul" stems from many fans exchanging their wryness for bitterness, hope for expectation, humour for anger?

Without denying for a moment we've got problems, what really matters is us and our attitude.

No, I fundamentally disagree with that.
United should have expectations. It should be a matter of shame that we lag behind so many other clubs that do not have the support or catchment area we do.
It shouldn't be acceptable that we're the worst performing 'big' club in the country.
And it never will be the fault of the fans that United say one thing, do another.
For me, losing players like Walker and Naughton, players I could really relate to, just isn't that funny. Seeing Kenny walk out the door in the circumstances he has, I just can't see the wry humour in it.
Watching a bunch of journeymen nomarks next season will be a chore, eased by the beers afterwards. We'll probably laugh at Ched's comical ineptitude and the decision to spend £3m on him but it's a pretty hollow laugh when us mugs are paying him £10,000 a week at the very least.
Part of this is definitely about football in general disconnecting itself from the real world. But that doesn't mean I can easily accept United being part of that.