Kenny officially gone on OS

[lenners]

They didn't drop a bollock, simple as that. They did what they had to and when Paddy tried to screw us over (despite us offering him a new deal) they tried to see if it was watertight. That's just common sense.

I suspect even Uncle Kev would acknowledge a major bollock was dropped with that one though the probable architect is no longer at the club.
The irony is we'd already had our fingers burnt with the clause for Jags and still got it wrong again.

 

[Linz]

Gentlemen.

Just because it's close season, it doesn't give you the right to be obnoxious and completely ignore the forum rules.

I've noticed quite a lot of posting going on over the last couple of days which borders on the nasty and unnecessary side. And just because it's summer doesn't mean we won't be dealing with it in the same way.

Just to reiterate. This forum is for all kinds of opinions. The only way we require you to be likeminded is the way in which you use this forum - with respect for all its members. That doesn't mean calling them a "cunt" and thinking you can get away with it by putting a on the end.

If you are unable to do that, then we politely request that you go elsewhere.

Many thanks.

 

[raul]

Seeking legal advice as to the validity of the clause on the basis it predated SCT is in no way an admission of a bollock bouncing merrily round the car park Leonard.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Of course we got something back for keeping him on a contract. That doesn't disguise the fact that he said:



Or was that bullshit?

And then the reaction from the supporters on his first team return was as close to adoration as it gets.

Sorry Bergen, but he's been a disloyal, two faced twat at the end of the day, and the fact that we're getting net 400k from this deal, doesn't disguise the fact that if it wasn't for the 750k release clause, we'd have got a hell of a lot more.

Words in the press on signing a contract hardly ever means a player won't bugger off if a club offers more money and possibly higher level football. If we want our players to stay we should offer them X amount of money for Y years. If both parties agree on a get out clause, EXPECT to lose the player for that amount at any time.

I don't think many of our other players would be any different, regardless of the circumstances.

 

[lenners]

Seeking legal advice as to the validity of the clause on the basis it predated SCT is in no way an admission of a bollock bouncing merrily round the car park Leonard.

Being reduced to checking whether your own terms are watertight because you've found out you're being screwed is definitely dropping a bollock Raul.
There was never any need for a clause, we could have sold him anyway. If he didn't want a contract, he could have sat on his arse for a year, no skin off our nose.
The way we've lost Paddy is just another example of really poor management. On top of having no right back, no decent left back and only one centre half a week before the fixtures come out, we now have no goalkeeper.
It's comical.

 

[gavtheblade]

I think this is just a dire situation for us to be in.Paddy kenny,probably the best keeper outside the prem,{loved by many at the lane,and given loads of support by the blades}turns his back on us.YES,TURNED HIS BACK ON US.i dont usually feel this bitter about players leaving for better money,but paddy was given a lifeline by utd,and he`s thrown it back in our face.Sorry to say the next part paddy,but i hope you have an awful time a qpr.cos frankly,thats wot u deserve.UTB

 

[alcoblade]

Either "agree the release clause or he walks in the summer for nothing"

You are negotiating on behalf of United, what is YOUR response?

My response would be along the lines that I'm not stupid enough to believe that you're stupid enough to advise your client to reject a contract entirely when he has no idea whether he'll be ready to play after a 9 month layoff, and no idea whether he'll be able to get decent money in the close season, so stop this bluster and let's talk numbers.

Kenny was always going to sign with us at that time because of the risks that were there for him if he didn't.

So did we put it in for Paddy's benefit, or because we like to be incompetent and lose our players cheaply? More realistic perhaps that we had no choice, unless peeople are so determined to belive otherwise for the sake of it.

UTB

 

[lenners]

So did we put it in for Paddy's benefit, or because we like to be incompetent and lose our players cheaply? More realistic perhaps that we had no choice, unless peeople are so determined to belive otherwise for the sake of it.

UTB

Oh come on, of course we had a choice. We could have easily said we're doing you the honour and the real big favour of offering you a contract despite the shit you've dropped us in.
What's that? You want a release clause? No, Paddy, don't be silly. If we get a decent offer for you we'll tell you and in the current climate there's a good chance you could go. But a release clause? No, you're not in a position to be making demands.

 

[bladeinlondon]

Despite the flak I have taken I stand by my original post. We seem to roll over for players/agents demands. Other clubs dont and are in a position to say no. I agree that Warnock's role in this stinks. he said he wasnt going to raid Palace but went after Speroni who turned him down interstingly so he has turned his eyes to his "beloved" Blades. The fact that there is no loyalty or honour only money is what is ruining the game. However i do agree with the other poster. Paddy who? lets move on down the bus and BTW you will not have seen me on here slagging either kevin or the club previously so do not slag me for inconsidered posts because i have a point of view which I happen to think is valid. End of

 

[SwissBlade]

Despite the flak I have taken I stand by my original post. We seem to roll over for players/agents demands. Other clubs dont and are in a position to say no. I agree that Warnock's role in this stinks. he said he wasnt going to raid Palace but went after Speroni who turned him down interstingly so he has turned his eyes to his "beloved" Blades. The fact that there is no loyalty or honour only money is what is ruining the game.

Why does NW's role stink? He's no longer on the payroll at the Blades.

 

[diplomat]

I doubt it was paid as a Salary payment... I seem to remember reading that as part of the ban he wasn't allowed to be paid as a footballer because he was banned.... something that the FA are now looking into as we've also paid Jordan Stewart for a season as a "footballer"

. . . . the Jordan Stewart comment ade me chuckle

 

[AlienWoodward]

Just so you know......your out of order and i've reported this post.

Well while we're at it your avatar picture is an ass and I also would love 2 minutes with it.
Go on report me as well if you want

 

[Santos]

Initially I reacted like lots of people on here, however having thought about it and to play devil’s advocate.....
Yes we stood by him when he was suspended and offered him a new deal, but let’s be honest, it was only because Paddy was rated as one of the best keepers outside of the Prem that we did the deal. Had it been, say Lee Hendrie or another non entity I don’t think we’d have shown the same level of loyalty to the player. In short, we felt it was a good deal for SUFC not Paddy Kenny.

From his point of view, a chance to link up with Warnock again (a manager who has signed him twice before) on 3x the money can’t be ignored. Plus, from reading and hearing one or two things, a move away and a ‘fresh start’ for him might be good for him personally.
I have no doubt that Warnock and others have been eying him up for some time and keeping in the loop of his situation. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if Kenny and his reps thought by signing a new contract it would act as an insurance policy for (in my view) the want away Paddy. If nobody came in for him this summer, then he was still on a very steady wage in comfortable surroundings, but with the buy out fee which i’m sure was touted about to Warnock et al he kept his options open.

If anything, I feel that SUFC could have negotiated a better buy out clause and surely we must have thought something was up when they insisted on this clause, but then again what could we do? We don’t agree on a contract and he signs for QPR a few months ago for nothing.

Let’s also remember that 6 months before his ban he requested to be put on the transfer list so he’s probably fancied a move for a while.
A sad end to a memorable time and I don’t think he can have too many complaints for the reception he’s going to get next season at the Lane but rationally and if I was advising him I’d say he may have made the right choice, although we’ll only know the answer to that in time.

For a replacement, I would put all efforts into Simmonsen, I really like the look of him, a top keeper. If we can't get him I hope we DON'T go down the road of another season long loan on a young keeper, not the way to go.

 

[alcoblade]

Oh come on, of course we had a choice. We could have easily said we're doing you the honour and the real big favour of offering you a contract despite the shit you've dropped us in.
What's that? You want a release clause? No, Paddy, don't be silly. If we get a decent offer for you we'll tell you and in the current climate there's a good chance you could go. But a release clause? No, you're not in a position to be making demands.

It's that simple isn't it Leonard. You omit the tiny detail at the end of course. The bit about Kenny not signing that contract and walking away for free. But don't let harsh realities get in the way of your hate affair with United.

UTB

 

[GlosBlade]

I wonder if the club were checking out how Warnock knew the magic number, if it was supposedly confidential then Dimwit shouldn't have divulged the number even to his chum Colin. As usual with transfer dealings we've somehow cocked things up big time. My respect for both Kenny and Warnock have gone down massively over this deal and I really really hope QPR have another season of failure (they were supposedly going to walk this division two seasons ago and looked dreadful when Billy tonked them at the Lane).

 

[Santos]

I wonder if the club were checking out how Warnock knew the magic number, if it was supposedly confidential then Dimwit shouldn't have divulged the number even to his chum Colin. As usual with transfer dealings we've somehow cocked things up big time. My respect for both Kenny and Warnock have gone down massively over this deal and I really really hope QPR have another season of failure (they were supposedly going to walk this division two seasons ago and looked dreadful when Billy tonked them at the Lane).

Others may know more but I always thought that it was one of the unwritten rules of football that the buying club normally knows the magic number which triggers a release fee. They most likely find out from them pesky agents.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

It's that simple isn't it Leonard. You omit the tiny detail at the end of course. The bit about Kenny not signing that contract and walking away for free. But don't let harsh realities get in the way of your hate affair with United.

UTB

I can't remember Len wanting us to terminate his contract at the time. I mean he was out of contract at the end of the season so I can't see how he hoped to sell him.
Maybe I missed it Len, can you share a link.

 

[blades1889]

he was still under contract with united wasn't he?

we should have kept him at lane, but still thats united for ya, McCabe says we are not a selling club, well look at the great players that united has sold in last few years.

When we play QPR next season i hope he gets some right stick. Hope McCabe leaves club to be honest and we get a chairman willing to spend money so we can fight for a promotion, this year i predict we will be a mid table team

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

he was still under contract with united wasn't he?

we should have kept him at lane, but still thats united for ya, McCabe says we are not a selling club, well look at the great players that united has sold in last few years.

When we play QPR next season i hope he gets some right stick. Hope McCabe leaves club to be honest and we get a chairman willing to spend money so we can fight for a promotion, this year i predict we will be a mid table team

He would of been out of contract this summer, so you would of paid him from then until now?

 

[blades1889]

He would of been out of contract this summer, so you would of paid him from then until now?

so we may as well sold him if he didn't wanna stay. Still hope we get a new chairman that will spend a bit of money and keep some of out talented players.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I think the only blame that could be put at the door of the club in this situation is that the release fee was too low.

I think it's fairly likely that Warnock will have let paddy know that he'd be interested in signing him when the ban was up, so Paddy will have most likely had at least one option.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

so we may as well sold him if he didn't wanna stay. Still hope we get a new chairman that will spend a bit of money and keep some of out talented players.

Who would buy him bearing in mind he couldn't play?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I think the only blame that could be put at the door of the club in this situation is that the release fee was too low.

I think it's fairly likely that Warnock will have let paddy know that he'd be interested in signing him when the ban was up, so Paddy will have most likely had at least one option.

But thinking logically wouldn't they get the fee as high as the player would allow?

 

[alcoblade]

But thinking logically wouldn't they get the fee as high as the player would allow?

Exactly - just the type of stuff that contract talks break down over, just before players walk for free. There is surely no other explanation - clearly we would want the release cluase to be as high as possible.

UTB

 

[Highbury_Blade]

But thinking logically wouldn't they get the fee as high as the player would allow?

Mebbes. Mebbes Paddy's agent said the release fee is 750k and they just went along with it. Or mebbes paddy's agent was hoping for 1.5, and united went in with something much lower. Was the pieman involved?

 

[Revolution]

So you knew for certain that neither Paddy nor his agent had been in touch with QPR?

Yes, on the basis that Warnock wasn't QPR manager in November when Kenny actually signed the deal. Warnock was at Palace and in no position to buy anyone, as we know.

People talk about Kenny signing as if he did it last week, after he's proved he could come back and Warnock was at QPR tapping him up. That was not the case.

Agents says " sorry you feel like that but we are willing to take our chances"

YOUR next move?

I'll give him a contract with no release clause in it, and it bit more (but not much more) in salary, perhaps incentive based. I'll tell him to take it or leave it, and he'll take it, possibly after a bit of bluster, because as I've said before he'd be extremely foolish not to given all the uncertainty in his position at that time. A bird in the hand and all that. I negotiate deals like this frequently as part of my job. 99 times out of 100, people sign, because its in both parties' interests.

Another reason to sign is that it recent evidence would suggest that it is incredibly easy to engineer a move from the Lane even if you are under contract. Ask James Beattie.

It is also telling that United are taking legal advice on the clause. that is an acknowledgement it is (a) not the norm and (b) they feel they've been had.

 

[Maidenhead]

So you knew for certain that neither Paddy nor his agent had been in touch with QPR?

Yes, on the basis that Warnock wasn't QPR manager in November when Kenny actually signed the deal. Warnock was at Palace and in no position to buy anyone, as we know.

People talk about Kenny signing as if he did it last week, after he's proved he could come back and Warnock was at QPR tapping him up. That was not the case.

Agents says " sorry you feel like that but we are willing to take our chances"

YOUR next move?

I'll give him a contract with no release clause in it, and it bit more (but not much more) in salary, perhaps incentive based. I'll tell him to take it or leave it, and he'll take it, possibly after a bit of bluster, because as I've said before he'd be extremely foolish not to given all the uncertainty in his position at that time. A bird in the hand and all that. I negotiate deals like this frequently as part of my job. 99 times out of 100, people sign, because its in both parties' interests.

Another reason to sign is that it recent evidence would suggest that it is incredibly easy to engineer a move from the Lane even if you are under contract. Ask James Beattie.

It is also telling that United are taking legal advice on the clause. that is an acknowledgement it is (a) not the norm and (b) they feel they've been had.

That's one hell of an assumption you're making, and if you're wrong you're happy for him to walk?

 

[alcoblade]

Agents says " sorry you feel like that but we are willing to take our chances"

YOUR next move?

I'll give him a contract with no release clause in it, and it bit more (but not much more) in salary, perhaps incentive based. I'll tell him to take it or leave it, and he'll take it, possibly after a bit of bluster, because as I've said before he'd be extremely foolish not to given all the uncertainty in his position at that time. A bird in the hand and all that. I negotiate deals like this frequently as part of my job. 99 times out of 100, people sign, because its in both parties' interests. .

Your whole case is based around him being forced into taking what's on offer, rather than placing demands on what he wants.

You seem to be assuming that he was in some way desperate, when it's very clear there would be many clubs after him if he didn't settle with us.

You also infer that your experience in the ( I presume) commercial world has some relation to football - I'd submit that it probably doesn't.

In (almost?) no other sphere is the boot so firmly on the foot of the empoyee, hence employer after employer being dragged into the shit by the wages of the employee. That rarely happens elsewhere.

UTB

 

[HarrogateBlade]

The club has been more than lenient with him; many would have ditched his services after his 'cold tablet' incident(s). Surprised Warnock signed him, as Neil will know of Paddy's weaknesses, such as failing to turn up to training, not taking tablets for a 'cold', but slimming tablets in which he was caught out on... he's only such a fat prick because he can't handle his drink, and has a poor diet - you could be best mates with him, but if he was drunk he was the biggest twat in the world, looking to take on any, and everyone. Good ridance. As someone who knows the ins and outs, how he didn't get at least 18 months - 2 years is beyond me.

Bye Paddy, twat.

 

[lenners]

It's that simple isn't it Leonard. You omit the tiny detail at the end of course. The bit about Kenny not signing that contract and walking away for free. But don't let harsh realities get in the way of your hate affair with United.

UTB

Paddy was in a desperate position a year ago - a lot of people are forgeting how desperate that was. Every ace was held by United.
It was very, very poor management by United and in tune with pretty much everything that's happened since relegation regarding transfers.