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[haich1889]

Scrub that. Dosent seem so. What advantage do you get from being offside when the ball is played backwards. Very odd..

Answered my question then

Still ridiculous

 

[Brian Deane]

Agree....but how do you incorporate it into the rules?
Every suggestion I’ve heard trying to improve VAR brings up potentially equally negative consequences.

This season was forced to highlight teething problems.
You can bet that over the Summer all these VAR will be scrutinised with slight improvements made.

As Steve McManaman said you can’t blame VAR when it’s making the correct decision in accordance with the current rules.
So do the rules need changing for next season?

Something needs to change as that looked ridiculous.
So what's to come next ? The defending team to move all 10 outfield players over the halway line from corners ?.
I can remember the QPR corners back in the day where all the Players stood outside the box and rushed in all at once after the corner had been taken. Looking like there might be a use for Usain Bolt now. Its a long way from the halfway line. UTB

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

? Are these Parody Accounts suggesting Defending Teams put everyone on the Halfway Line ?
Because even Alan Knill has a routine that would overcome that. Fleck swings a corner in & McBurnie jumps & heads it into the goal. One nil..... No VAR.....

 

[Grey Blade]

Agree....but how do you incorporate it into the rules?
Every suggestion I’ve heard trying to improve VAR brings up potentially equally negative consequences.

This season was forced to highlight teething problems.
You can bet that over the Summer all these VAR will be scrutinised with slight improvements made.

As Steve McManaman said you can’t blame VAR when it’s making the correct decision in accordance with the current rules.
So do the rules need changing for next season?

I think for off side decisions there has to be some allowance for "margin of error". Something similar to "umpires call"for LBW decisions in cricket.

I think also It would be easier to understand the off side rule if there had to be daylight between attacker and defender for offside to be given.

I thought VAR should primarily be introduced to stop the likes of Maradonna's hand of god goal, Henri's handball in the world cup qualifier, diving and various other cheating.

As you say there were bound to be teething troubles, and we have to accept that, but if anything in life is changed it hopefully has to be for the better

 

[manxblade]

? Are these Parody Accounts suggesting Defending Teams put everyone on the Halfway Line ?
Because even Alan Knill has a routine that would overcome that. Fleck swings a corner in & McBurnie jumps & heads it into the goal. One nil..... No VAR.....

But according to last nights VAR your description would be offside thats what we are talking about. take a look

 

[manxblade]

? Are these Parody Accounts suggesting Defending Teams put everyone on the Halfway Line ?
Because even Alan Knill has a routine that would overcome that. Fleck swings a corner in & McBurnie jumps & heads it into the goal. One nil..... No VAR.....

But according to last nights VAR your description would be offside thats what we are talking about. take a look

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

But according to last nights VAR your description would be offside thats what we are talking about. take a look

Nope. You cannot be offside if you receive the ball from a corner. The player given offside last night was not the player who received the ball directly from the corner. Take a look.....

 

[manxblade]

Nope. You cannot be offside if you receive the ball from a corner. The player offside last night was not the player who received the ball from the corner. Take a look.....

just looked again sorry all this morning i thought it was against the player first receiving the ball not the return pass. just shows how close it was

 

[KiwiBlabe]

The advantage gained is you can cross the ball & your teammate can head it in the goal. That sounds like quite an advantage to me. Not odd.....

But the ball is paaed back. Off side was to stop goal hanging. If you pass backwards and you are in front of the defender you are at a disadvantage. Footbal is struggling if this is the way things are going.
I would (and I am sure you would be) devastated if a Blades goal was disallowed for that. If he was offside.........

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

How is he clearly offside? Another very strange decision from var.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

But the ball is paaed back. Off side was to stop goal hanging. If you pass backwards and you are in front of the defender you are at a disadvantage. Footbal is struggling if this is the way things are going.
I would (and I am sure you would be) devastated if a Blades goal was disallowed for that. If he was offside.........

Mate. They "scored" how is that a disadvantage? I've been consistent on this. I may not want VAR, but we've got it & offside is offside. Here's a brilliant explanation of the maths....

http://ball-sup.blogspot.com/2019/11/var-line-calls-chuck-some-beer-at-it.html

 

[spikeachu]

Am I missing something with this goal. What was offside? Both passes went backwards didn't they? I am getting on but I thought the ball had to be played forward to be offside?

Generally when passing backwards you are passing to a player that is behind play which is why it's generally accepted that if you pass the ball backwards, the receiving player isn't offside.

In this case the receiving player was ahead of play albeit a trailling foot and running away from goal.

I believe the offside rule as it's written doesn't specify the direction the ball is played as being a factor.

That being said, it's still a shit use for VAR. It wouldn't have been complained about pre-VAR and 99.99% of spectators wouldn't have even been looking for an offside in the passage of play preceding the cross coming in.

 

[YES Blade]

I think for off side decisions there has to be some allowance for "margin of error". Something similar to "umpires call"for LBW decisions in cricket.

I think also It would be easier to understand the off side rule if there had to be daylight between attacker and defender for offside to be given.

I thought VAR should primarily be introduced to stop the likes of Maradonna's hand of god goal, Henri's handball in the world cup qualifier, diving and various other cheating.

As you say there were bound to be teething troubles, and we have to accept that, but if anything in life is changed it hopefully has to be for the better

Even if you change the offside rule to clear daylight, there is still a line where a player is either onside or offside and that would still come down to millimetres.

I think like you say a linesman’s call is probably the way to go with offside, but the problem is that people will still moan. What is the margin of error for lineman’s call going to be? There is still that millimetres call where VAR draws a line and says offside or onside.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I was born in the 50s. When I was born, you could be offside if the ball was passed backwards to you. Now, nothing has changed. You can still be offside if the ball is passed backwards to you. Yet posters are reacting as if it's somehow a "new rule" and arguing that it's against the spirit of offside, or that it's somehow not fit for purpose.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Even if you change the offside rule to clear daylight, there is still a line where a player is either onside or offside and that would still come down to millimetres.

I think like you say a linesman’s call is probably the way to go with offside, but the problem is that people will still moan. What is the margin of error for lineman’s call going to be? There is still that millimetres call where VAR draws a line and says offside or onside.

Linesman should continue to give the attacking side the benefit of the doubt in tight decisions.

If VAE can’t overrule by viewing it with the naked eye then it’s not a clear and obvious error and you go with the original decision.

No more drawing lines. No more 3 minute delays. No more goals ruled out for fractional offsides but with the safety net of VAR correcting obvious mistakes.

It’s really not that difficult a problem to resolve.

 

[ucandomagic]

Offside is where the receiving player is at the moment that the pass is made. Last night when he received it he was onside but he had come from an offside position at the moment that the ball was struck.

 

[Freddy Dunning-Kruger]

A wacky idea : what if they changed the rules so that attackers were only ever ruled offside if the defence actively plays for offside, e.g. if the defenders stop, don't attempt to tackle or stop a cross then they get the benefit even if the attacker is 1cm 'offside'. Conversely, if the defence keep trying to stop the attacker(s) then there is no offside regardless of whether someone was 'offside' at any stage of the attack.

 

[anglian blade]

Can anyone explain how a player can be level with the last defender in the way VAR interprets it now?

I suspect no one can and far from the law being changed because of VAR, VAR should be changed so it complies with the law.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I don't know what to think on that decision.

Already told yer, its horseshit.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

? Are these Parody Accounts suggesting Defending Teams put everyone on the Halfway Line ?
Because even Alan Knill has a routine that would overcome that. Fleck swings a corner in & McBurnie jumps & heads it into the goal. One nil..... No VAR.....

Point being made is the McBurnie is offside when the corner is taken.

 

[8lade]

Point being made is the McBurnie is offside when the corner is taken.

Have a quick look at the rules they change every season but you cannot and I don't think you ever could be offside from a corner.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Have a quick look at the rules they change every season but you cannot and I don't think you ever could be offside from a corner.

Yer trust VAR on that?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Have a quick look at the rules they change every season but you cannot and I don't think you ever could be offside from a corner.

No because the ball is passed back but that didn't count for Wolves?

 

[KiwiBlabe]

Phil we will agree to disagree. If this is making watching football better then, yes I am in the wrong.

 

[8lade]

No because the ball is passed back but that didn't count for Wolves?

I could try and explain it but looking up the rule would give you a much more complete explanation or you can accept that you can be offside passing the ball backwards.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Point being made is the McBurnie is offside when the corner is taken.

You cannot be offside if you receive the ball directly from a Corner. That rule in place all my life to date.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Phil we will agree to disagree. If this is making watching football better then, yes I am in the wrong.

I don't think I'm arguing in this thread that VAR is making watching football better. I am arguing that players can still be offside if the ball is passed backwards to them. VAR hasn't changed that.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

You cannot be offside if you receive the ball directly from a Corner. That rule in place all my life to date.

I think the comments are tongue in cheek, at least mine are because it's difficult to take horseshit seriously except for the effect it has had on the game.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I think the comments are tongue in cheek, at least mine are because it's difficult to take horseshit seriously except for the effect it has had on the game.

In case you missed it .... I'm a 61 year old man running a parody gang of football hooligans on the internet called the Carrier Bag Firm .... I often don't take things all that seriously.

 

[Punk Blade]

No because the ball is passed back but that didn't count for Wolves?

The difference being that he would be behind the ball from a corner.

But the laws state you cannot be offside from a goal kick, throw-in or corner.

Anyway, why risk a mishit cross or mistimed header? If the opposition stand on half way, then play it short, run it into the box and then play it square to someone who is behind the ball.