Player to Manager - the CWAK era

[bongleblade]

Wilder was part of a squad from one of our most successful eras, under one of our greatest managers, Dave Bassett.

Let's say this cycle continues, and a current player develops to be a (successful) future manager for us...

Which player from the CWAK era do you think is most likely to... and why?

UTB

 

[I should coco]

Which player from the CWAK era do you think is most likely to... and why?

Brilliant question and much better than the usual 'player's favourite Star Wars characters' tripe.

Could it be a player we haven't signed yet such as:

Ian Ternational-Break

 

[Jonboy60]

Jagielka. Maybe another reason he’s here.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Fleck...tough no nonsense character, understands the game and likely to have learned a lot from firstly his time at Rangers, going down the leagues and his work to get where he is now.
On top of that I’m going to suggest he’s got no desire to work with anyone else other than CWAK so will continue his education under the best for a good while yet!

 

[Blade for Sale]

McGoldrick seems to read the game like few others. Bash seems to have the required character and tenacity having worked his way through the game.

You really get the sense that the way Wilder selects his players is not dissimilar to Sralex, where personality/character is valued almost as much as talent. It's no coincidence that quite a few of Fergies ex players made it into management and I wouldn't be surprised if that was emulated here. It would be lovely if we could promote from within like the great Liverpool sides of past used to.

 

[Bayingblade]

McGoldrick seems to read the game like few others. Bash seems to have the required character and tenacity having worked his way through the game.

You really get the sense that the way Wilder selects his players is not dissimilar to Sralex, where personality/character is valued almost as much as talent. It's no coincidence that quite a few of Fergies ex players made it into management and I wouldn't be surprised if that was emulated here. It would be lovely if we could promote from within like the great Liverpool sides of past used to.

Agreed BFS, I've had exactly the same dream. CW builds a legacy and it seamlessly passes on and we continue to improve with new managers who are already steeped in the club. Billy perhaps?

 

[Kanye]

McGoldrick seems to read the game like few others. Bash seems to have the required character and tenacity having worked his way through the game.

You really get the sense that the way Wilder selects his players is not dissimilar to Sralex, where personality/character is valued almost as much as talent. It's no coincidence that quite a few of Fergies ex players made it into management and I wouldn't be surprised if that was emulated here. It would be lovely if we could promote from within like the great Liverpool sides of past used to.

I just got a hard on thinking of a management duo of McGoldrick and Basham eventually taking the reigns from CWAK.

 

[bongleblade]

Fleck...tough no nonsense character, understands the game and likely to have learned a lot from firstly his time at Rangers, going down the leagues and his work to get where he is now.
On top of that I’m going to suggest he’s got no desire to work with anyone else other than CWAK so will continue his education under the best for a good while yet!

+1 for Fleck... there are some obvious-looking ones in Jags and Sharp... but i actually think Fleck seems like the exact sort of character it takes for management, seems like a top bloke, head screwed on and personable which helps

 

[blades78]

Richard Stearman.

 

[BLADES1988]

Well Cilla, im going to chose Number 2 because she reads book and sounds like she loves the di........................errrr sorry wrong show.

Its gotta be the fat lad or stears surely. Natural Leaders and model pros, also they can drink!!

 

[Paulus]

Its an interesting question, spotting future managerial talent and judging by the appointments some teams make its not one with any easy answers.

Success is a function of a number of characteristics at a club and in the manager themselves. If you look at CWAK as a team CW clearly has plenty of energy, is driven to succeed, is relentless in pushing for improvement, is a great man manager, is happy to take on the burden of being the public face of the club, he also comes across as a lot smarter than the average footballer which I think is vital. AK loves the day to day coaching, is open to new ideas, is not scared by breaking the mould, is an innovator, is happy to be out of the limelight. Both of them get along and recognise the contribution of the other, both have a lifetimes experience across virtually all levels of football, both clearly think strategically. The club 3 years ago was pretty much broken, was desperate for stability, was failing. This is important because it meant the board were happy to let CWAK get on with it particularly as CW clearly loves the club, a big bonus, and was absolutely opposed to splashing whatever cash he could get hold of to try and get a quick fix.

When you hear pundits spouting an opinion about "future managerial potential" its invariably a John Terry type rather than a Matt Le Tissier type, hard nosed, probably been a captain, hard working rather than a crowd pleaser, blunt, often aggressive; often "characters' This type can have an impact and be successful at a club recent examples of these include, Bowyer, Barton, Lennon bloody Ainsworth but I'm not sure its something that is long lasting in the majority of cases. The successful managers, like CW show they can succeed in multiple situations, most managers don't repeat success, take Rowett, Monk as examples.

So who out of the current squad, no bloody idea of course I do like Fleck as a call but think Norwood might be a better shout. Able to deal positively with massive disappointment, willing to learn, decisive, determined. Not scared to go against the flow, opinionated. Who knows?

 

[WalkelyFan]

Jagielka. Maybe another reason he’s here.

No maybe about it.

 

[Brian Deane]

Interesting ideas but I can't see it being Jags turn just yet as there's no player called Duncan in the squad yet. Unless that changes in January ?. UTB

 

[diode_blade]

Higdon!!!!

 

[BladeInIreland]

Hopefully Morgan will come back to work under CWAK. Got all the characteristics to be successful...

 

[guancheblade]

Paulio, second name is Couttsy

Also got the penchant for the Peroni just like our Chris does

 

[VwBlade]

Woolford and Hammond

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

Being a football manager is taking on a hell of a lot of responsibility , and that's got to get harder the more success you have with most clubs.
Football fans are not known for their patience any more than owner are for their generosity, so unless you do a Frank thingy and drop for a club with a million players and more money than sense it's going to be all up hill.
Then again if you can get someone who is good enough and willing to share that responsibility and be more than happy to let you take all the lime light and the plaudits like Brian Clough did' then that's got to be one hell of a boost for your chances .
I mean even Warnock at his best had his Kevin Blackwell......….

 

[Punk Blade]

As long as he has Bladey credentials I’ll be appeh.

 

[North East Blade]

Sharp/Jags either way with the other assistant

 

[bongleblade]

I'm not sure if Sharp will actually be a decent manager in the end, how many out and out goal scoring strikers have gone on to be good managers? He has the leader attribute, but not sure if he has the tactical nous, I do think Sharp will be a decent coach and a successful pundit, he has the character for it.

 

[BushBlade]

Did anyone see Wilder being a manager when he was a player for us? I know he managed Bradway but that seemed (from a distance) more of a hobby than something he was going to excel in. And did anyone think Hodgy would stay in the game? He’s manager of Wimbledon now.

In the same way, it’s difficult to predict who’ll be successful from our current side. We’ve actually got so many leaders you could see almost all of them going into coaching.

 

[metty]

I can think of four off the top of my head, Alex Ferguson, Kevin Keegan, Kenny Dalglish, Joe Royle.

 

[Harry's Game]

Wilder was part of a squad from one of our most successful eras, under one of our greatest managers, Dave Bassett.

Now this will test if he’s still on line

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Wilder was part of a squad from one of our most successful eras, under one of our greatest managers, Dave Bassett.

Let's say this cycle continues, and a current player develops to be a (successful) future manager for us...

Which player from the CWAK era do you think is most likely to... and why?

UTB

I can hear Cilla Black's voice...

"Same question to you number 2, what's your name and where do you come from?"

(Actually, I thought it was the title of another book by Danny Hall - giving him an idea now I expect!)

To answer your question...

I don't think we've got any current players in our squad who have started out as a ball-boy at United, like Wilder did. I don't think there are many, if any, who will go on to learn the game from the bottom up like Wilder has, and manage clubs like Brunsmeer and Bradway and Alfreton and Halifax and Oxford and Northampton, along the way. He's been on quite a journey has our Chris! There are few in the entire football league like him - which is what makes him a bit special!

To be a successful football manager though I think you've got to be

a) Reasonably smart
b) Strong willed and determined
c) Ambitious to achieve
d) Good at getting the best out of others and get them to work together as a team
e) Able to manage people and processes
f) Have a good tactical understanding of the game
g) Be able to manage resources
h) Be a positive ambassador for the football club

I don't think it matters whether a person was a great footballer or not. But if they are going to succeed in football management then all the above will be important.

So, of the current squad, my answer is...

Not a clue!

 

[Rob86]

Mousset - unsure he’d get out of bed to for training though if he was the gaffer !

But more realistically Billy I think, seems to be doing a good job as club captain and just strikes me as someone who’d get the balance right between being tough but getting a good team spirit. Might be tactically clueless of course

 

[BushBlade]

Mousset - unsure he’d get out of bed to for training though if he was the gaffer !

But more realistically Billy I think, seems to be doing a good job as club captain and just strikes me as someone who’d get the balance right between being tough but getting a good team spirit. Might be tactically clueless of course

Then he’d need to find a coach who loved the tactical side. The key is man management. If you’re good at that you can put a group together of coaches who have the things you lack, and listen to what they’re telling you. If players trust Billy (or anyone of our players who go into management) and are prepared to run through walls for him, he’ll be successful.

 

[Robby Blade]

Did anyone see Wilder being a manager when he was a player for us? I know he managed Bradway but that seemed (from a distance) more of a hobby than something he was going to excel in. And did anyone think Hodgy would stay in the game? He’s manager of Wimbledon now.

In the same way, it’s difficult to predict who’ll be successful from our current side. We’ve actually got so many leaders you could see almost all of them going into coaching.

We once put some fencing up at the back of The Bradway when Wilder’s dad was the manager there. Long time ago it was. He said Chris would manage the Blades one day.

Yeh right we thought.

 

[Kanye]

Then he’d need to find a coach who loved the tactical side. The key is man management. If you’re good at that you can put a group together of coaches who have the things you lack, and listen to what they’re telling you. If players trust Billy (or anyone of our players who go into management) and are prepared to run through walls for him, he’ll be successful.

Good example would be Ferguson at Man United: one of the greatest man managers of all time, assisted tactically by various coaches (McLaren, Phelan, Queiroz, Kidd).

Not to say Ferguson had no clue about tactics, but his ability to adapt based on advice from his lieutenants had to be a factor in managing to stay at the top for so long.

 

[BushBlade]

Good example would be Ferguson at Man United: one of the greatest man managers of all time, assisted tactically by various coaches (McLaren, Phelan, Queiroz, Kidd).

Not to say Ferguson had no clue about tactics, but his ability to adapt based on advice from his lieutenants had to be a factor in managing to stay at the top for so long.

Exactly, and he knew it was important to freshen things up regularly so changed coaches as an alternative to changing the core of players. Apparently he didn’t spend that much time on the training ground and when he was there, tended to be quite jovial, cracking jokes and just watching the players train rather than getting heavily involved. It was only on match days when he switched to the raging nutter we often saw on TV.