Besic

[Digs blade]

Whether we sign him or not I would definitely start him at Arsenal next week.

Although the gooners are hit and miss at the minute, they are still a side very tidy in possession and are good at playing quick short passes around you. Besic in my opinion will cut out a lot of that and if we stop Arsenal doing that to us then we’ve an excellent chance of picking up points there.

 

[LJBlade]

Yeah 6 years ago and the market has continued to inflate since then. £8 million for the deal was the very top of the suggested price range and I don’t think that’s a bad price for a 27 year old first teamer.
How much would you want for Lunny?

Besic isn’t a first teamer for Everton though.

 

[HighfieldBlade]

We've got our own Mo,
We've got our own Mo,
Who needs Salah?
We've got our own Mo.

 

[Kanye]

Sign him, might not even cost a million. Then you have a loan spot for someone else.

Oh and he’s earned a start ahead of Lunny who’s been shit since the Villa game. I concur.

Why do you have to describe Lundstram as shit? Would it not be more reasonable to simply say 'he's been below par' or 'not up to his standards'

This is the best squad we've ever had in my lifetime, arguably one of the best in the club's long history. To me it would be unfair to describe any player as shit, let alone someone who has been as influential as Lundstram has so far.

 

[BushBlade]

Why do you have to describe Lundstram as shit? Would it not be more reasonable to simply say 'he's been below par' or 'not up to his standards'

This is the best squad we've ever had in my lifetime, arguably one of the best in the club's long history. To me it would be unfair to describe any player as shit, let alone someone who has been as influential as Lundstram has so far.

He has been pretty shit though. If he’d started the season like this then all the pre season comments about him would have been justified. Saying he’s playing shit isn’t the same as saying he’s shit.

The language might be a bit harsh but we’re grown ups, if I’ve not done a job as well as I like to I’ll happily describe my ‘performance’ as shit. Same as when I played football, I’ve held my hands up and said ‘sorry, I was fucking shit today’.

 

[Blade58]

The Lunny who took (most of) us by surprise in the first third of the season was a top Prem player. The Lunny who has played the last handful of games has reverted to the player most of us thought wasn’t good enough for the Champ.

On current form, Besic in! By a stretch.

Agree with that

Lunny looking laboured again

The only reason I can see for keeping him the team at the moment is that he is capable of weighing in with a goal

 

[Kanye]

He has been pretty shit though. If he’d started the season like this then all the pre season comments about him would have been justified. Saying he’s playing shit isn’t the same as saying he’s shit.

The language might be a bit harsh but we’re grown ups, if I’ve not done a job as well as I like to I’ll happily describe my ‘performance’ as shit. Same as when I played football, I’ve held my hands up and said ‘sorry, I was fucking shit today’.

I agree that saying someone is shit and saying someone played shit is different. Neither you or Akinbiyi said "he played shit" though, you both said he's been shit - something I disagree with.

You may have held your hand up and said you were shit before, Lundstram may have too. It still doesnt make me any more comfortable about it.

If I was analysing his performances of late, the word would not enter the discussion.
I would say he had his poorest PL game against Liverpool, and looked way off the pace. I would say that yesterday, his first half performance was decidedly average, and he seemed to fade further in the 2nd. He's probably in need of a rest.

Maybe my aversion to using the word shit to describe our current players comes from the fact that we've actually experienced real shit. I've seen players who have played dreadfully and reacted by arguing with their own support, like Nyron Nosworthy. I've seen players who have completely taken the piss out of the club like Jose Baxter and players who have been embarrassing on the pitch and added insult to injury by being a cunt off it, like Harrison McGahey.
I reserve the word shit for these players.

Maybe try to imagine a scenario where you got to discuss Lundstram's performance with him over a pint after the game. Would you use the word shit?

 

[BushBlade]

I agree that saying someone is shit and saying someone played shit is different. Neither you or Akinbiyi said "he played shit" though, you both said he's been shit - something I disagree with.

You may have held your hand up and said you were shit before, Lundstram may have too. It still doesnt make me any more comfortable about it.

If I was analysing his performances of late, the word would not enter the discussion.
I would say he had his poorest PL game against Liverpool, and looked way off the pace. I would say that yesterday, his first half performance was decidedly average, and he seemed to fade further in the 2nd. He's probably in need of a rest.

Maybe my aversion to using the word shit to describe our current players comes from the fact that we've actually experienced real shit. I've seen players who have played dreadfully and reacted by arguing with their own support, like Nyron Nosworthy. I've seen players who have completely taken the piss out of the club like Jose Baxter and players who have been embarrassing on the pitch and added insult to injury by being a cunt off it, like Harrison McGahey.
I reserve the word shit for these players.

Maybe try to imagine a scenario where you got to discuss Lundstram's performance with him over a pint after the game. Would you use the word shit?

He’s been shit/he’s playing shit - same thing, that’s just semantics.

The rest is extremely condescending, I’ve been watching since the Porterfield days so I’ve seen plenty of shit.

And yes, I’d be more than happy to tell him to his face that he played shit last night because he’s a footballer, not a choirmaster.

 

[Kanye]

He’s been shit/he’s playing shit - same thing, that’s just semantics.

The rest is extremely condescending, I’ve been watching since the Porterfield days so I’ve seen plenty of shit.

And yes, I’d be more than happy to tell him to his face that he played shit last night because he’s a footballer, not a choirmaster.

Zero condescension intended. I was merely trying to compare the current team with past teams. I'm well aware you've been watching the team longer than me based on your posts.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Besic isn’t a first teamer for Everton though.

Everton aren’t buying him, we are, and he’s at a first team level for us. Why you think we’d get a deal at less than half of what was being offered in the summer is beyond me but if we can get a deal at that price, then happy days.

 

[BladeByChoice]

Let’s all play net ball then. Let the boy have a tackle. The goal saver against Fylde was brilliant!!

Head in hands when that tackle went in, stonewall penalty, watched the replay on the big screen, brilliant well timed tackle. I don’t have any worries when he comes on in the PL.

 

[Aston max]

He really reminds me of Trevor hockey I am slowly coming round to the idea that this squad and management team are the best we have had in my lifetime

 

[LJBlade]

Everton aren’t buying him, we are, and he’s at a first team level for us. Why you think we’d get a deal at less than half of what was being offered in the summer is beyond me but if we can get a deal at that price, then happy days.

Everton are selling though and why you think they’d expect to get double what they paid for him, considering he’s done nothing for them and is surplus is also beyond me.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I must have been watching a different game, as I thought Norwood on the ball had an excellent 2nd half and was the best of a sub-par 3 1st half (Fleck improved more and was better overall than him by the end, Lundstram didn’t noticeably improve between halves). His first touch cross-field balls repeatedly gave us the urgency and precision our play had been lacking first half. He’s not anywhere close to being in the conversation about who should be rested.

Exactly as I saw it. Odd claim that he was poor.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Everton are selling though and why you think they’d expect to get double what they paid for him, considering he’s done nothing for them and is surplus is also beyond me.

It’s the market and it’s the players value within that market.
Lookman signed by Everton for £8 million makes only 14 starts but has a successfully loan to Germany and sold to that loan club for £22 million. He hasn’t featured for them much since the deal was made perm but Newcastle are interested in January and guess what? RB are willing to do business but only at a profit.
Why? Because his age, talent and ability has a market price and if you want them then you pay the going rate. Same goes for Besic and that going rate unfortunately isn’t a couple of million.

 

[PokerBlade]

Lundstram's been a revelation this season but he's also not played regular football for a while so no surprise if he starts to look sluggish. Besic looked really good yesterday when he came on. Part of the problem of us subbing two strikers almost every game has been that the midfield trio are almost ever present. Wouldn't mind a bit of rotation to keep them strong.

Pretty much the whole team was giving the ball away too cheaply yesterday. First half especially, Wham did a very good job of closing off all the options and too often the player on the ball tried to force a difficult pass that didn't come off. I know Wilder wants his team to be brave and not go backwards and sideways all the time so it's a matter of being a bit smarter about when to try and play that forward ball.

 

[Lowen]

I like him and I think he’s done enough to get a start over Lundstram in the next game but I don’t think he’s athletic enough or possesses enough of a goal threat for that role long term and considering we’re currently in a transfer window I’d like to see us sign someone in that position.

 

[Weasel]

For the right price, he would be a very good signing for us.

 

[jt64]

Agree with everyone saying Besic has improved and Lunny needs a break, would definitely be fine with Mo starting against Arsenal

 

[Stevo]

Besic ,if sprinkled with wilder/Knill magic dust can be our Gattuso or kante. I reckon we could get him for under 5m

 

[LJBlade]

It’s the market and it’s the players value within that market.
Lookman signed by Everton for £8 million makes only 14 starts but has a successfully loan to Germany and sold to that loan club for £22 million. He hasn’t featured for them much since the deal was made perm but Newcastle are interested in January and guess what? RB are willing to do business but only at a profit.
Why? Because his age, talent and ability has a market price and if you want them then you pay the going rate. Same goes for Besic and that going rate unfortunately isn’t a couple of million.

If we were to sell Callum Robinson now would you expect us to get double what we paid for him?

Ademola Lookman is 22 years old. This is the difference

 

[North East Blade]

Think he’s great just seems to have a red card waiting to happen though

 

[Pobby1012]

Defo deserves a start. Surprised he hasn't been used away from home more. Think we may see that more as I don't think Lunny has 16 games left in him.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

If we were to sell Callum Robinson now would you expect us to get double what we paid for him?

If his talent put him at that level within the market, then of course, but as far as I’m aware Callum Robinson didn't have two teams playing in European competitions willing to pay double the price in the summer. The market sets the value, what someone paid for them previously is largely irrelevant. If Everton are going to sell Besic in January it will not be for a couple of million. Why would they when they will get more in loan fees for the rest of his contract?

 

[bricktop]

I thought his cameo was very impressive yesterday, and that tactical foul was a sight to behold.

If we can sign him permanently and the price is right we should go for it. He hasn't had many first team chances and has on occasion looked rusty but I do think that now he is up to speed with how we play, he will only get better and better.

What is interesting that with a squad full of characters like we have got, I definitely think a lunatic Bosnian fits in perfectly

 

[dazzlingblade]

Everton have had him for 5 years. They now have Ancelotti and much bigger aims than Mo Besic. Yes, they’ll sell.

If we want him permanently now is the time to make a move, if he does start and puts in a couple of eye catching displays his price will shoot up, I reckon 2.5m would get him now

 

[Charlieblade]

Basic is a very good example of the squad depth right across midfield. Is it a coincidence that we need options in the second half of our first season back in the PL. or did some smart guy plan it that way?
Besic, Luke Freeman, Morrison, Rodwell are all coming to the fore at just the right time. I’m not saying that our entire midfield needs replacing, but there individuals waiting to fill slots, if injury or suspension hits us now.
This is exactly the kind of competition for places that the club needs now.
It makes our remaining fixtures less daunting and more exciting than they could have been.
Off topic, but our attacking options are looking better too.

 

[Rodley]

Our best midfielder at the club imo and that is some statement.

 

[Rodley]

He’s ok, a solid back up. Offers little going forward though so isn’t a starting RCM.

 

[LJBlade]

If his talent put him at that level within the market, then of course, but as far as I’m aware Callum Robinson didn't have two teams playing in European competitions willing to pay double the price in the summer. The market sets the value, what someone paid for them previously is largely irrelevant. If Everton are going to sell Besic in January it will not be for a couple of million. Why would they when they will get more in loan fees for the rest of his contract?

Who wanted Besic in the summer? They obviously wanted him that much that we got him on loan instead.

If Everton aren’t willing to sell Besic for less than they bought him for, considering all aspects of the situation, then we shouldn’t be buying him.