Refereering double standards

[Ollessendro]

This morning an interview on Five Live got me thinking of double standards in football and particularly the decision of Jamie Ward's sending off in last seasons play off final. I heard Graeme Poll on Radio 5 this morning defending Phil Dowd's decision not to send of Nemenjder vidic for his fowl on Gabriel Abonlahor in yesterday's carling cup final. I haven't seen the incident, but gather that the Villa striker was through on goal and hence it was a goalscoring opportunity. Poll argued that Abonlahor was not facing goal (or bearing down on the goal) when he was fouled and hence technically it wasn't a red.

Something Poll said made me think about Jamie Ward's sending off and the double standards applied by referees and the consuequence on Sheffiled United. Poll stated that a referee should be looking not to send a player off in circumstances like this becuase of: a) it was early on in the match and (more importantly) b) the occasion. This makes me think back to the play off final and the way that Mike Dean couldn't wait to send Ward off. Dean couldn't get his cards out quick enough and the cynic in me says that he almost enjoyed the decision and the lime light. Ward, a young player in his biggest ever game made 2 handballs and technically should have been sent off. However, surely common sense would have been to have pulled him aside after the 2nd handball and say 'look you should be off, this is your last chance, it's a big occassion, calm down!'.

Poll also stated that it wasn't because it was Manchester United that Vidic didn't get sent off. Bollocks! If that had have been Rooney being fouled by Dunn, do you think the latter would have stayed on the pitch? If Chris Morgan had done the same against Steven Gerrard would he have only been booked??

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Vidic wasn't booked. It was a clear sending off, and I don't believe the occasion or the fact it was early in the match should ever have an effect.

Is there a rule somewhere that you can do what you like for the first 5 mins?

Referee's need to be consistent, unfortunately that goes against those who want them to show common sense. It's one or the other and personally I'd rather go for consistency at least we all know where we are.

 

[boo radley]

Move to general sport Please

 

[Ollessendro]

Move to general sport Please

Read the whole post PLEASE! It's more about Jamie Ward's sending off (FOR SHEFFIELD UNITED) in the play off final last year.

 

[Micalijo]

Heard the same interview and made me feel ill.

Vidic is saying that because he was facing Agbon rather than tripping him from behind it was different. It's a definite red and any of our lads would have gone, instantly with referee running towards player brandishing red card, loving the limelight exactly as you say.

It interests me that a ref will send a player off for a accidental clip of heels 40 yards from goal yet a tackle like Vidic's in the area allows ref to come out with some justification (no matter how flawed that is) that the attacker still had a lot to do and keeper would close him down etc, needed another touch etc.

As soon as I heard Poll I think of Old Trafford 2003 and whenever Man Utd get away with it I think about the non-penalty decision on Shelton in 2006/07 (I know Poll wasn't ref that day)

Must admit though, Ward was ridiculiously daft at Wembley and as you say ref was right to send him off.

 

[Crackfish]

This morning an interview on Five Live got me thinking of double standards in football and particularly the decision of Jamie Ward's sending off in last seasons play off final. I heard Graeme Poll on Radio 5 this morning defending Phil Dowd's decision not to send of Nemenjder vidic for his fowl on Gabriel Abonlahor in yesterday's carling cup final. I haven't seen the incident, but gather that the Villa striker was through on goal and hence it was a goalscoring opportunity. Poll argued that Abonlahor was not facing goal (or bearing down on the goal) when he was fouled and hence technically it wasn't a red.

Something Poll said made me think about Jamie Ward's sending off and the double standards applied by referees and the consuequence on Sheffiled United. Poll stated that a referee should be looking not to send a player off in circumstances like this becuase of: a) it was early on in the match and (more importantly) b) the occasion. This makes me think back to the play off final and the way that Mike Dean couldn't wait to send Ward off. Dean couldn't get his cards out quick enough and the cynic in me says that he almost enjoyed the decision and the lime light. Ward, a young player in his biggest ever game made 2 handballs and technically should have been sent off. However, surely common sense would have been to have pulled him aside after the 2nd handball and say 'look you should be off, this is your last chance, it's a big occassion, calm down!'.

Poll also stated that it wasn't because it was Manchester United that Vidic didn't get sent off. Bollocks! If that had have been Rooney being fouled by Dunn, do you think the latter would have stayed on the pitch? If Chris Morgan had done the same against Steven Gerrard would he have only been booked??

graham poll is a cockend and therefore analising anyhting he says is a waste of time

did you see the offside or the sending off in the old firm game ?now there is some proper dodgy refereeing

 

[JohnDenver]

graham poll is a cockend and therefore analising anyhting he says is a waste of time

Yikes!!!

 

[Sensiblade]

But think of the fans!
Oh, right, it wasn't West Ham was it!

 

[mattbianco1]

vidic tried pulling his shirt off his back. To me it was a red card... Not to receive a yellow was unbelievable!!

rafael then took heskey out from behind, then went in with a lunge on someone else and Dowd said "That's 2 now, no more!"

Jesus christ.

then to make you feel that he is totally biased he books Collins & (I think) Downing for their first offences.

TOTAL BIASED ARSEHOLE!!!

 

[LouTheBlade]

Why do any of you expect anything else from modern day referees?! I accepted that football is corrupt a long time ago and also accept that certain players, teams and managers get preferential treatment.

I wouldn't get hot under the collar about it. I see decisions now, look at what shirt the offending player is wearing and simply shrug my shoulders out of expectation. It's all too predictable and scripted.

 

[mattbianco1]

fair play to him for actually giving the penalty though. Many wouldn't have!

 

[raul]

This would be the same Graham Poll who openly admitted on TalkShite last week he refereed games at OT differently to elsewhere. Once he realised what he'd said, he quidckly tried to back pedal, but too late was the cry.

Busted.

 

[boo radley]

Read the whole post PLEASE! It's more about Jamie Ward's sending off (FOR SHEFFIELD UNITED) in the play off final last year.

Don't seem to be!

 

[Ollessendro]

Don't seem to be!

really? Or are you still bearing a grudge from the whole Killa/Monty loyalty thing??!

This morning an interview on Five Live got me thinking of double standards in football and particularly the decision of Jamie Ward's sending off in last seasons play off final. I heard Graeme Poll on Radio 5 this morning defending Phil Dowd's decision not to send of Nemenjder vidic for his fowl on Gabriel Abonlahor in yesterday's carling cup final. I haven't seen the incident, but gather that the Villa striker was through on goal and hence it was a goalscoring opportunity. Poll argued that Abonlahor was not facing goal (or bearing down on the goal) when he was fouled and hence technically it wasn't a red.

Something Poll said made me think about Jamie Ward's sending off and the double standards applied by referees and the consuequence on Sheffiled United. Poll stated that a referee should be looking not to send a player off in circumstances like this becuase of: a) it was early on in the match and (more importantly) b) the occasion. This makes me think back to the play off final and the way that Mike Dean couldn't wait to send Ward off. Dean couldn't get his cards out quick enough and the cynic in me says that he almost enjoyed the decision and the lime light. Ward, a young player in his biggest ever game made 2 handballs and technically should have been sent off. However, surely common sense would have been to have pulled him aside after the 2nd handball and say 'look you should be off, this is your last chance, it's a big occassion, calm down!'.

Poll also stated that it wasn't because it was Manchester United that Vidic didn't get sent off. Bollocks! If that had have been Rooney being fouled by Dunn, do you think the latter would have stayed on the pitch? If Chris Morgan had done the same against Steven Gerrard would he have only been booked??

 

[SwissBlade]

Because of a and b these are the reasons why Poll was an awful referee and this is why refs get a a bad name for inconsistency.

Regardless of a and b, the ref should ALWAYS follow the rules. Nothing more nothing less.

The rules mention nothing about the time of the offence or the occasion.

Ward, like it or not was sent off for the right reasons.

 

[davidpinder]

You answered the questions yourself really olle, it was because it was Manchester United that Vidic didn't get sent off and it was Sheffield United the reason Ward was sent off. Even Fergie said he was lucky not to go.

Sorry reading that back it doesn't make much sense but hope you understand what i mean.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Bogarra was booked in the first 5 mins during the Rangers v Celtic match then the ref did all he could do rto keep him on the pitch. He must have given him about four talkings to when a second card was warrented.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Any one see the Leeds v Melbourne Rugby league? There seems to be a difference of opinion in how long you can hold on to the player in nortern/southern hemisphere games so the ref had a word at half time and let the players hold on until he shouted something along the lines of 'held' or something like that.

At every tackle you had the player/s who had made the tackle looking at the ref waiting for the instruction to release. Problem sorted using common sense.

 

[Blade]

is it only me who thought ward was pushed for the first handball? I admit that he wa stupid with the 2nd though.

onto the op - most referees are bent along with the FA and premier league, it's about time they realise there's more to football in this country than the top 4 clubs.