Henderson

[bromtom]

Honest question, who would pay £20m for Hendo at the end of the season, or even in Jan??

It's a lot of cash for a lad playing his first year in the prem, and it makes me think of Ramsdale, and how he's playing, and how far he's come, yet probably worth less than half that???

I would.

Who's better we could get for £20m?

Bournemouth have conceded 5 more goals than us.

Wouldnt be surprised if CW drops Hendo for the Watford game considering how Watford are playing at the moment and put Moore in net just to show him that you make a mistake like that and its not just losing the game that you get punished for, especially after the comments on Saturday from CW in the interview.

No chance. If he does that Wilder wants dropping for a game, Christ, talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Watford might beat us with Henderson in the net, they've got good players that are in a funk, you don't put a midtable Championship keeper in to prove a point when you need points on the board.

 

[Pierre's PC]

Some people don't half write some shite. Strangely most of it comes from usernames that I don't recognise

 

[1889]

This was always going to be a big season for Henderson. Last year in the Championship he was very well protected by the defence and although he kept the highest number of clean sheets, I imagine he faced, amongst the least number of shots too.

In the Premier League, against better players, he is going to be really tested. How he performs in this company, will go a long way to showing how good he really is, or is likely to ultimately become and his potential England first team credentials.

In my opinion, the jury is definitely still out on him

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

I think before we hang Henderson out to dry let’s just think about who the alternative options are. He may or may not be a liability but do we have anyone better currently?

 

[stringer]

Honest question, who would pay £20m for Hendo at the end of the season, or even in Jan??

It's a lot of cash for a lad playing his first year in the prem, and it makes me think of Ramsdale, and how he's playing, and how far he's come, yet probably worth less than half that???

You reckon Ramsdale is worth less than £10m?

 

[Dkc]

Moore is good enough and deserves a chance if Hendo drops anymore b*77*cks

I don't know where all this "Moore isn't good enough" is coming from. He's rarely let us down. He was excellent in League One, and unlucky to lose his shirt to Blackman. I remember Moore doing well when he came in for the injured Blackman in the first Championship season (maybe one clear error) and he held the shirt for a few games after Blackman was fit again. He deserves a chance if Hendo gets dropped or injured, certainly ahead of Verrips. Saying that, I'm a big fan of Hendo, and he will learn from his mistakes.

 

[bromtom]

I don't know where all this "Moore isn't good enough" is coming from. He's rarely let us down. He was excellent in League One, and unlucky to lose his shirt to Blackman. I remember Moore doing well when he came in for the injured Blackman in the first Championship season (maybe one clear error) and he held the shirt for a few games after Blackman was fit again. He deserves a chance if Hendo gets dropped or injured, certainly ahead of Verrips. Saying that, I'm a big fan of Hendo, and he will learn from his mistakes.

It's come from watching him lately.

PL attackers would have a field day.

A fine bench keeper but shouldn't be anywhere near starting unless Henderson is injured, and I'd still probably prefer Verrips, he's played consistently at a good level recently.

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

I was never convinced that free-kick from Waddle at Wembley should have beaten him. But I was sitting at the side, and have never watched it back, as it's too painful. But I did think at the time that so early in the game Kelly's concentration was not right.

I was sitting right behind it and , whilst I wouldn't describe it as unstoppable , it would certainly have required a wonder save to keep it out .

It was a truly terrific strike - the bastard !

 

[Stretch]

It's come from watching him lately.

PL attackers would have a field day.

A fine bench keeper but shouldn't be anywhere near starting unless Henderson is injured, and I'd still probably prefer Verrips, he's played consistently at a good level recently.

Moore isn't in the same class as Henderson, I agree with that mate. But, I honestly don't see many PL attacks having a field day against us, regardless of who is in goal because our outfield won't let them. We have so far managed to blunt Palace, Everton and Liverpool, who we lost to very unluckily. I would also say that Leicester only beat us due to one mistake and one worldy.

 

[wavy-blade]

no

Well at least they won't get 1 goal start then

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

Just in the last few weeks I've seen mistakes by Lloris , de Gea , Pickford , Pope and Butland which have been just as bad , and in some cases worse than Hendo's on Saturday .

Have they been castigated and hung out to dry by management and fans in the way that this lad has ? Of course not and rightly so .

Dean Henderson is a very good goalkeeper who has made some remarkable saves in his time with us and , in so doing , has gained us many valuable points .

In my view , some of the reaction to his mistake has been completely over the top and quite frankly depressing .

On the other hand , full marks to the fans who immediately supported him by chanting his name . That was class .

The reaction from some others has been less so .

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Love hendo but you can’t deny he has made his fair share of blunders big ones aswell
Leeds at home last year ?
Villa away ?
Chelsea away was his fault ?
Liverpool Saturday ?

And that’s just of the top of me head

 

[Akinbiyi]

You reckon Ramsdale is worth less than £10m?

Does 7 PL games warrant a 10mil price tag on a keeper these days? He was at Wimbeldon last season after a less than impressive stint at relegated Chesterfield in League 2

 

[BladeFisher]

Can't tell if you're being serious or not if you are then you need to grow up.

At 61 I am old enough thank you.

Wilder said the same, if you bothered to listen. If he concentrated as much as he likes to talk the big bollocks, he'd be a better keeper.

Have just finished reading Gordon Banks' autobiography. Now there was a proper goalkeeper......and he came from Tinsley.

 

[BladeFisher]

What a load of shit.

Big games, clean sheet at Hillsborough when the twats resorted to dirty tricks (called leave it to the defender), the run around new year when we played loads of top 6 teams and came out in a great place.

West Brom and Leeds away clean sheets etc.

He earned us twice as many points as he lost us, and has already made some great saves this season.

Unless you're joking and in that case, well done, you got a nibble.

I can't tell anymore, that much shite on here after a game.

Look pal you know fuck all.

Grobbelaar did wonder saves but he cost Liverpool a lot too. Gary Sprake of Leeds similar and now we have Lloris at Spurs.

A keeper will make the odd howler but Henderson has done 5 in half a bloody season!! Pat Jennings notably did one and he was fantastic. Good keepers don't fuck up the obvious.

Beano may be good at stopping shots but there is more to goalkeeping than that. He aint as good as Hodgy, Brown or Kelly. You just can't keep making those sort of errors not if you want to be as good as he aspires to be. He is getting a bit John Hope like whose performance at West Ham effectively ended his SUFC career.

 

[BladeFisher]

bit harsh but he definitely needs to get his shit together and the management thinks so too

I know but it is a fine line as a 'keeper (I know I was one).

If you fuck up in the big games it gets noticed....and sticks. To my mind his future as a top goalie is in the balance unless he can cut these stupid errors out. To me it's lack of concentration.

I've done what he did Saturday. You're that focused on what to do next you just take your mind off what's happening now and resort to autopilot. Trouble is don't do it in front of a world wide audience of millions. They don't forget.

 

[Dkc]

It's come from watching him lately.

PL attackers would have a field day.

A fine bench keeper but shouldn't be anywhere near starting unless Henderson is injured, and I'd still probably prefer Verrips, he's played consistently at a good level recently.

Bit harsh to judge Moore on two League Cup games where the entire eleven had an off day. And crazy to suggest Verrips, who I doubt you have seen play for 90 mins, ahould be promoted to no 2

 

[stringer]

Does 7 PL games warrant a 10mil price tag on a keeper these days? He was at Wimbeldon last season after a less than impressive stint at relegated Chesterfield in League 2

How much has seven impressive games in the PL put on Jack O’Connell or John Egan’s price tag, Dan? I’d hope a lot. It’s not really relevant to a price tag where players have been; it’s about where they are now. Brooks went for £11.5m a year after almost joining Chezzy on loan. Ramsdale is their No.1, a good young English goalkeeper in the England set-up who many said should have been in the last senior squad. Haven’t checked his contract status but assume they have a few years left, too. Put it this way, if he’s available for <£10m and I’m Chris Wilder I’m on the phone to Eddie for January

 

[Akinbiyi]

How much has seven impressive games in the PL put on Jack O’Connell or John Egan’s price tag, Dan? I’d hope a lot. It’s not really relevant to a price tag where players have been; it’s about where they are now. Brooks went for £11.5m a year after almost joining Chezzy on loan. Ramsdale is their No.1, a good young English goalkeeper in the England set-up who many said should have been in the last senior squad. Haven’t checked his contract status but assume they have a few years left, too. Put it this way, if he’s available for <£10m and I’m Chris Wilder I’m on the phone to Eddie for January

I wouldn’t say much, half a season maybe yeah but not 7 games. I would’ve said JOC is worth 20mul anyway judging on what Mings and Webster went for. But judging on Ramsdale less than impressive club history I don’t think 7 apparently impressive PL games and no clean sheet quite warrants an 8 figure price tag.

Brooks is an outfield player with a full Wales cap, they naturally cost more than keepers anyway so you can’t compare the 2.

 

[stringer]

I wouldn’t say much, half a season maybe yeah but not 7 games. I would’ve said JOC is worth 20mul anyway judging on what Mings and Webster went for. But judging on Ramsdale less than impressive club history I don’t think 7 apparently impressive PL games and no clean sheet quite warrants an 8 figure price tag.

Brooks is an outfield player with a full Wales cap, they naturally cost more than keepers anyway so you can’t compare the 2.

I wasn’t comparing them as players, I was saying where a player has been (or almost been) isn’t relevant to their price tag. In a world where Jordan Pickford costs £30m, they’d be crazy to take less than 10 imo. Almost SUFC like

 

[benn5712]

I was sitting right behind it and , whilst I wouldn't describe it as unstoppable , it would certainly have required a wonder save to keep it out .

It was a truly terrific strike - the bastard !

You see Joe, I think 'Arry got team set slightly off for that game. Where was Dane Whitehouse, LB or further forward? He was the player to keep him quiet.
For the first time since then, I watched some of it back last year. Just couldn't bear it.
Kelly was terrific on the day.

 

[Torrix1889]

Yes it was a huge clanger from Henderson on Saturday that ultimately cost us a point. He did however save 1v1 against Salah that kept us in with a shout.

A keeper error will always be under the microscope more than any other position but there have been other mistakes that could prove just as costly in the shakedown that seem to have been shrugged off;

Bash gave the ball away v Leicester, Maddision passes to Vardy and goal. We lose the game, could have had a point
Egan and JOC go for the same ball that leads to Chelseas second and we are 2 down, OK we bring it back to 2-2 but that could have been 3 points
Didzy misses a sitter v Soton and then Norwood gives the ball away that leads directly to their goal, could have been 3 points, at least 1

There has been a lot of press on how CW has not publicly backed Hendo but lets leave the man-management to him eh, he's not got a lot wrong in that regard so far. What Natalie Sawyer and Adrian Durham on Talk Sport have chosen to ignore, (and lets face it that station is The Sun/Daily Star of the radio world) is that during his post match comments he said, "Dean knows what we think of him" which to me means he is held in very high regard at the club and doesn't need a pat on the head and an arm round the shoulder.

 

[I should coco]

Plenty of clubs were after him on loan in the summer, besides United.

Genuine question, which other clubs?

I can't see any other PL club having an untried young keeper as their No. 1.

 

[stringer]

Genuine question, which other clubs?

I can't see any other PL club having an untried young keeper as their No. 1.

Norwich were keen, Bournemouth and Leicester sniffed around, and about half the Championship were keen too

 

[Davalon]

I must be missing something. This thread has nearly gone the same way as the ridiculous media backlash to Wilder's nothing comments.

A few comments on social media hardly constitute getting on his back.

From my vantage point on Saturday the chants of Deano drowned out the Liverpool fans after the goal. And for anybody who hung around and clapped the players off, they saw him get a great reception.

Football really is going the same way as many other things with needlessly OTT reactions.

 

[I should coco]

Norwich were keen, Bournemouth and Leicester sniffed around, and about half the Championship were keen too

Thanks for that, but as I said, none of those three PL clubs would have had him as number 1.

I'm not trying to hang him out to dry and he was great for us last year, both for his keeping and contribution to team spirit. I just think he is very much a 'work in progress' and is lucky we are allowing him to learn on the job.

Given the amount we spent on strikers it was never realy feasible we'd spend £15m on a keeper, so on that basis he was a sensible punt for us. He will make more mistakes, but IMHO he will still do a decent job for us over the season.

 

[Akinbiyi]

I wasn’t comparing them as players, I was saying where a player has been (or almost been) isn’t relevant to their price tag. In a world where Jordan Pickford costs £30m, they’d be crazy to take less than 10 imo. Almost SUFC like

I can see where you're coming from but personally (and only personally) he's not worth £10mil yet, if he'd had a proven full season ala Henderson/Gunn in the Championship I could see it but prior to this Ramsdale's CV hasn't been up to much. His only success was at Wimbeldon where George Long is a modern day legend.

If he's still in the sticks by January and has impressed I fully expect him to be worth that though.

 

[Akinbiyi]

I'm going to double down on my opinion, Moore is nowhere near even competent competition at this level. Unless we're really impressed by Verrips behind the scenes I'd 100% be on the phone to Boro while they're in crisis and trying to set up a deal for Randolph in January. The only keeper I saw last season who could hold a candle to Henderson.

Every other club has a good first team keeper and then competition of equal or at least good quality, and it's an area we lack. I think the lack of consequences for mistakes/poor performances breeds complacency in lots of players, Henderson would have to concede 6 every game for 9 games to be dropped for Moore and I think he knows it. I'm not saying he's doing it on purpose and I don't think most players do but it's got to be in your subconscious. I think that explains the lack of concentration Wilder alluded to on saturday.

It's no surprise to me we've seen a whole new level from Fleck since his injury. It's the first time he's ever had this sort of competition for his place from Luke Freeman.

Randolph in January for me please. At his age he shouldn't be too expensive either. And then at least we have the insurance of a quality first team keeper in the summer and we aren't panicking, scrambling trying to find one.

 

[Woodys Thunderbolt]

It's come from watching him lately.

PL attackers would have a field day.

A fine bench keeper but shouldn't be anywhere near starting unless Henderson is injured, and I'd still probably prefer Verrips, he's played consistently at a good level recently.

It's come from watching him lately. Are you having a laugh, he's played twice this season in the Carabao Cup, saved a penalty against Blackburn and was excellent throughout the game and against Sunderland he hardly had anything to do all game.

 

[silver blade]

Lets start with the bad points. He cost us the game today. Big clanger.

However, he is a legend at this club already so i'm sure he can bounce back.

Even pulled off a worldie from Salah straight after.

Gutted for him and he will be gutted the most.

Wilder will pick him and us up after that.

So unfortunate to lose. Should have had a draw at the very least.

UTB.

His £20 million transfer fee has just dropped, another few blunders like that and we maybe able to afford him one day