VAR killing the game

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i am now of the opinion that Gerrard’s penalty of intent would STILL have been GIVEN with the current VAR ;)
it’s a rubber stamp
 
Yellarbellyblade said:
Refs but not for the reasons we would want
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How is leading with the knee any different to leading with the elbow?

One's a red card, the other is a bounce ball?

No fuckin way on earth was it going to be called on VAR and expose the officials to missing it.
 
Last week during the Watford/Arsenal game; the Watford player encroached the area during the goal kick, blocks a pass then a Watford player intercepts and scores - so it should of been ruled out. Apparently VAR couldn’t override the goal because according to the commentator it doesn’t review incidents when a ball has been out of play.
 
Yellarbellyblade said:
It’s true. As I’ve said before goal line technology I like the rest of it I’m not so sure
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Used to win some, lose some and the ref got the daggers.

But it was all spontaneous and at the end of the day we knew where we stood and some events are still discussed - Gerrard against Morgan.

No one will remember any VAR event, just VAR itself being crap.
 
MobileBlade said:
Behind the ball?
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The angle used is shocking. The goal was diallowed. How the hell they can make a decision from that still photo defies any sort of logic, The camera is on the 18 yard line and the cross/player is from less than six yards out.

There was only one person who had a good view of that incident - the fucking linesman!
 
HillmortonBlade said:
Who does VAR benefit?
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Followed the Blades for 40+ years, season ticket holder for about 12/13 years BUT I’m just about done with attending live football if this VAR bollocks continues. In my view there’s not been a bigger slap in the face for fans actually in the ground in the last 50 years. If I wanted to watch a video game, I’d stay at home. I could not loathe it more....
 

Sherwood Forester said:
Followed the Blades for 40+ years, season ticket holder for about 12/13 years BUT I’m just about done with attending live football if this VAR bollocks continues. In my view there’s not been a bigger slap in the face for fans actually in the ground in the last 50 years. If I wanted to watch a video game, I’d stay at home. I could not loathe it more....
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I’m genuinely amazed that any fan who regularly attends matches can defend VAR.
 
This implementation of VAR is ruining the game by denying unbridled celebration of the goal and ruling out too many super marginal offside but perfectly decent goals that would have stood. We want to see goals. We should use the American MLS system of only ruling out offside if there is a clear an obvious error. So the linos give offsides and only if there is daylight between the players and it is not given is a goal overruled. Don't suppose they can change the rules till next season now but something needs to be done. Delay and doubt is materially damaging the spectator experience.
 
lakedistblade said:
This implementation of VAR is ruining the game by denying unbridled celebration of the goal and ruling out too many super marginal offside but perfectly decent goals that would have stood. We want to see goals. We should use the American MLS system of only ruling out offside if there is a clear an obvious error. So the linos give offsides and only if there is daylight between the players and it is not given is a goal overruled. Don't suppose they can change the rules till next season now but something needs to be done. Delay and doubt is materially damaging the spectator experience.
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Personally I couldn’t give a monkeys whether decisions are 100% right or not. I’m quite happy to come to terms with the notion that life isn’t perfect and sometimes things will go in your favour, and sometimes they won’t. So for me it’s entire reason for existence is pointless.

But it’s impact on the joy of watching live football is terminal in my view. There is not really anything in life to match the sudden rush of pride and exhalation of a United goal whilst sat with your nearest and dearest on the Kop. It simply won’t ever be the same again. VAR will be the death of the live experience, mark my words.

Not that the bean counters will care less whilst they w**k themselves senseless over every millimetre here or there. If 10 million folk in Thailand or wherever are happy, no one’s going to give a rat’s ass about 30,000 people in a stadium.
 
Any idea why we aren't doing what is done in the champions league in which the referee checks the footage or am I missing something?
 
S40BLADE said:
Any idea why we aren't doing what is done in the champions league in which the referee checks the footage or am I missing something?
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The league have told them not to. They have it available but it's discouraged.

In the guides it says something like to 'try and place trust the officials in the VAR control room' so as not to slow the game down.

I'd rather have a 3 minute wait while the ref reviews the footage and 3 minutes of injury time, than a pointless tool that just takes 30-60 seconds to confirm the decision already made.

If injury time wasn't a thing, then fair enough, but we have a system for stoppages. Use it.

Give timing to a timing official, or stop the clock, get the decisions right.

Also, stop drawing lines on shit when it's clear. Mount was offside today in the build up, you could see it with your naked eye, get off MS Paint and get on with it.

Even spokesman Alan Shearer is fucked off with it.
 
Sherwood Forester said:
Personally I couldn’t give a monkeys whether decisions are 100% right or not. I’m quite happy to come to terms with the notion that life isn’t perfect and sometimes things will go in your favour, and sometimes they won’t. So for me it’s entire reason for existence is pointless.

But it’s impact on the joy of watching live football is terminal in my view. There is not really anything in life to match the sudden rush of pride and exhalation of a United goal whilst sat with your nearest and dearest on the Kop. It simply won’t ever be the same again. VAR will be the death of the live experience, mark my words.

Not that the bean counters will care less whilst they w**k themselves senseless over every millimetre here or there. If 10 million folk in Thailand or wherever are happy, no one’s going to give a rat’s ass about 30,000 people in a stadium.
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I agree with you, but it's not the bean counters who've been demanding this it's the managers and the media. For decades they've been whining about referee's decisions (we can all think of someone very close to home who loved to do that, for example) and that it's critical that it doesn't matter how long it takes so long as the decision is "right".

Now it's beginning to dawn on them that, like Frankenstein, they've created something that could destroy them.
 
Torrix1889 said:
If VAR was consistent then our first today should have been chalked off.....but Leicesters winner shouldn't have counted and we should have had a pen v Soton......at the end of the day you still have humans making a decision, so VAR is never going to be consistent....

And the offside in Leicester v Spurs was just awful.

Do us a favour VAR....fuck off and when you have finished fucking off, fuck off some more.
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a lot of truth in all that

The Spurs one is where in cricket it would be the umpires call. How can you tell the exact moment that ball left the players foot to then say at what stage each players hip/shoulder was at, in that moment. It's bollox

I've always said the offside rule needs to be changed along the lines of " the attacking player should be 'miles off' before the player is offiside".

that means clear daylight between him and the defender. It's effectively abolishing offside in the professional game but it would be better than the fuck fest we currently have.
 
blade67 said:
a lot of truth in all that

The Spurs one is where in cricket it would be the umpires call. How can you tell the exact moment that ball left the players foot to then say at what stage each players hip/shoulder was at, in that moment. It's bollox

I've always said the offside rule needs to be changed along the lines of " the attacking player should be 'miles off' before the player is offiside".

that means clear daylight between him and the defender. It's effectively abolishing offside in the professional game but it would be better than the fuck fest we currently have.
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Another option along the lines of cricket; in cricket there is the wicket wide line down the pitch to track where the ball lands when balled.

A similar line that is based on the leading edge and rear edge of the extremities of the defender could be introduced. If your looking at mm like now then if any point of the attackers body is in this line width then onside.

Easy if you must have VAR.
 
personally, I am quite happy that we aren't overturning loads of ref decisions. That was shit in the women's world cup and reeked of referees wanting to be the stars. It's job should be to over turn total howlers and I'm happy with the way it is working there.

Barnes' goal, the JOC pen appeal and our goal yesterday could all have been overturned but weren't obvious howlers in my opinion anyway.

It should be there for the Henry handball type decisions that ruin the game. IMO the ref makes his decision and signals a goal and the VAR guys have 1 minute to change it if his really fucked up otherwise it stands.

The use in offside isn't right though. They are cancelling goals when they don't really know if it's offside or not. They need to learn and make it better in this regard
 

blade67 said:
personally, I am quite happy that we aren't overturning loads of ref decisions. That was shit in the women's world cup and reeked of referees wanting to be the stars. It's job should be to over turn total howlers and I'm happy with the way it is working there.

Barnes' goal, the JOC pen appeal and our goal yesterday could all have been overturned but weren't obvious howlers in my opinion anyway.

It should be there for the Henry handball type decisions that ruin the game. IMO the ref makes his decision and signals a goal and the VAR guys have 1 minute to change it if his really fucked up otherwise it stands.

The use in offside isn't right though. They are cancelling goals when they don't really know if it's offside or not. They need to learn and make it better in this regard
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Surely the point is to make decisions in the game be objective as possible. I really don't understand the "this contravenes the rules, but let's put it through a completely subjective vacuous test as to whether it's clear and obvious enough" standard we've gone with.

My view hasn't changed since debates about technology in football began. I'm willing to sacrifice some degree of accuracy in exchange for having a fast paced game and maintaining a great spectator sport.

So far as I can tell there's been little improvement to the accuracy of decisions but there is huge disruption to the game and it is having an impact on the way people enjoy it. I want to go mental when a big moment happens. Instead, I started to celebrate when our first goal went in and then remembered I had to wait two minutes.
 
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