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Bring in new players, particularly a centre half and possibly a left back now or watch the season dissolve in the next few weeks.
West Brom will get at least four against that defence on Saturday.
A dreadful performance rescued only by the goalkeeper and the best right back in the league who is so much better than the rest of the team it's frightening. That defence minus Walker and Kilgallon next season spells relegation.
 



give it a rest - clean sheet and 3 goals and you're still moaning, enjoy it! Fortune played exceptional for me, weak in the air though
 
Bring in new players, particularly a centre half and possibly a left back now or watch the season dissolve in the next few weeks.
West Brom will get at least four against that defence on Saturday.
A dreadful performance rescued only by the goalkeeper and the best right back in the league who is so much better than the rest of the team it's frightening. That defence minus Walker and Kilgallon next season spells relegation.

Aye, they absolutely battered us and Fortune never won a challenge ;)

Blackwell says he wants and demands more than that. I'm happy with another clean sheet and 3-0 myself.
 
Aye, they absolutely battered us and Fortune never won a challenge ;)

Blackwell says he wants and demands more than that. I'm happy with another clean sheet and 3-0 myself.

Fortune is giving Morgan kittens and you can see what's going to happen as his silly fouls immediately crept back into his game.
The clean sheet was an utter fluke and totally in contrast to Boro last time out.
The writing is very clearly on the wall without investment at the back.
 
give it a rest - clean sheet and 3 goals and you're still moaning, enjoy it! Fortune played exceptional for me, weak in the air though

Thought in general we were pretty good. We converted our chances and Reading did not. If they had converted their 1st half chances the match could've been a different story, as it was they didn't.

Bunn, Morgs were exceptional, Walker, Cresswell and Harper played well.

But Fortune exceptional? No way. He scored, but twice gave the ball straight to their strikers in very dangerous positions from which they could've scored. Taylor was also poor and couldn't do a thing right in the 1st half.

2nd half they both improved but we really need to get a better CB as cover than Fortune, as he's a weak link.

Don't get me wrong i'm very happy with the scoreline, and Morgan and Walker are great, but we will concede goals if we persist with Fortune and Taylor as the left half of our defence.
 
Fortune is giving Morgan kittens and you can see what's going to happen as his silly fouls immediately crept back into his game.
The clean sheet was an utter fluke and totally in contrast to Boro last time out.
The writing is very clearly on the wall without investment at the back.

You are back to your best Len :)

Because Morgan committed a few fouls, it was the faultless Fortune worrying him.

You are right though, clean sheet was very lucky, no Blades players had a hand in that.

Taylor was also poor and couldn't do a thing right in the 1st half.


What about the last gasp covering tackle before we scored our 2nd? Had they equalised then it could have been a totally different game.
 
Thought in general we were pretty good. We converted our chances and Reading did not. If they had converted their 1st half chances the match could've been a different story, as it was they didn't.

Bunn, Morgs were exceptional, Walker, Cresswell and Harper played well.

But Fortune exceptional? No way. He scored, but twice gave the ball straight to their strikers in very dangerous positions from which they could've scored. Taylor was also poor and couldn't do a thing right in the 1st half.

2nd half they both improved but we really need to get a better CB as cover than Fortune, as he's a weak link.

Don't get me wrong i'm very happy with the scoreline, and Morgan and Walker are great, but we will concede goals if we persist with Fortune and Taylor as the left half of our defence.

As bad as Taylor may have been in your eyes, personally i thought he wasn't awful and did some good things, Stewart looked like a man who had never seen a football pitch in the second half. Don't think he managed to pass the ball to our man once, ran into trouble, was often out of position and couldn't even find our men from throw ins.
 
What about the last gasp covering tackle before we scored our 2nd? Had they equalised then it could have been a totally different game.

True, that was an exceptional block. I'm really not trying to be a downer i just call it how i see it. I'll give him that tackle but i was sitting in the south stand so had a good view of his first half performance and he gave the ball away and got caught out of position so frequently it was unbelievable.
 
Must say I agree with Len.

Taylor is terrified and terrifying at the moment. I feel sorry for him, but he's just not good enough right now. And the jury is well and truly out on the future. Stewart wasn't that much better.

Fortune for all his admirable effort (and excellent finishing!), is less mobile than the GAC Stand.

Walker was outstanding today though and despite his silly fouls, Morgan was very important to the clean sheet. Desperately needs a new partner though. Fortune is fine when used sparingly as backup... but it has to be VERY sparingly.

Don't get me wrong, we played well in patches. Particularly before the goal. But 3-0 flatters us desperately. Another playoff final loss is there for the taking, but we need defenders in if we're going to get it.
 
roberto Carlos could play left back for us and look shite because the useless waste of space in front of them just gives the ball away time after time after time. What does Quinn have to do to be dropped ?
 
Not havin that Sitters. I'm far from a Quinn fan, but in the past 5 or 6 games he's been one of our better players.
 
roberto Carlos could play left back for us and look shite because the useless waste of space in front of them just gives the ball away time after time after time. What does Quinn have to do to be dropped ?

Unfair Sitters, Quinny was decent tonight, Quinny has played plenty of games on the left and never made the LB look that out of his depth.

I feel sorry for Taylor, but it is like having 10 men and 1 boy playing. Clearly out of his depth and it's terrifying watching him play.
 



It really is. Funnily enough, it reminds me of Quinny at the start of this season and for much of last. So nervous on the ball and unsure what to do when he hasn't got it.

Taylor may come good (I do worry about his physical attributes), but he's simply not ready for this level. At this rate, it's going to have to be Del Geary there I think.
 
Quinn was shite and quite frankly len knows more about football than some of you on here .
There are dark days ahead in the next few seasons if we dont make some serious improvements to the general quality of the squad
i can off the top of my head name three from the side tonight who are not good enough for the championship
Quinn
Taylor
Stewart
and there are others who are borderline
I have seen relagation squads many times and this has the potential to become one
 
You are back to your best Len :)

Because Morgan committed a few fouls, it was the faultless Fortune worrying him.

You are right though, clean sheet was very lucky, no Blades players had a hand in that.




What about the last gasp covering tackle before we scored our 2nd? Had they equalised then it could have been a totally different game.

Fortune will get ripped to shreds on Saturday if he plays and I haven't seen Morgan give away stupid fouls like that for a long time. The first one should have led to a goal with a point blank header, the second was a penalty.
And the clean sheet was extremely lucky, you would have to be barking to believe otherwise.
There was absolutely no comparison to the Boro game but you tell me who the different member of the back four was.
It's writ very, very large. New defenders are an absolute must.
 
Quinn was shite and quite frankly len knows more about football than some of you on here .
There are dark days ahead in the next few seasons if we dont make some serious improvements to the general quality of the squad
i can off the top of my head name three from the side tonight who are not good enough for the championship
Quinn
Taylor
Stewart
and there are others who are borderline
I have seen relagation squads many times and this has the potential to become one


There's really no point in being a relegation doom & gloom merchant.

We are an above average team in a mediocre league, yes we have some poor players but we also have some good ones too - Ward, Harper, Morgs, Walker, why not give some credit where credit's due eh?
 
Fortune will get ripped to shreds on Saturday if he plays and I haven't seen Morgan give away stupid fouls like that for a long time. The first one should have led to a goal with a point blank header, the second was a penalty.
And the clean sheet was extremely lucky, you would have to be barking to believe otherwise.
There was absolutely no comparison to the Boro game but you tell me who the different member of the back four was.
It's writ very, very large. New defenders are an absolute must.


lucky...why??? they worked hard got the clean sheet, in my mind fair play to them.

i prefer looking at facts ie 3 0...good performance and 3 points
 
The clean sheet was earned by a truly brilliant goalkeeping performance. That's not luck.

Fortune did fine and was certainly not weak in the air. However a combination of him and Morgan (who was commanding in the air but mistimed far too many tackles) is a hiding waiting to happen when we come up against more pace and guile than Reading showed tonight.

Quinn was terrible, absolutely terrible. Those photos of Blackie that he's got must be really something. Monty achieved the near impossible by playing even worse.

Rarely have I seen a team play as poorly as we did tonight yet win by three goals. All win bonuses should be donated to Mark Bunn tonight.
 
Fortune is giving Morgan kittens and you can see what's going to happen as his silly fouls immediately crept back into his game.
The clean sheet was an utter fluke and totally in contrast to Boro last time out.
The writing is very clearly on the wall without investment at the back.

I sort of a agree.

I do think a Reading side of old with the likes of Doyle and Kitson would certainly scored the chances they had tonight. Bunn did pull some brilliant saves off though.

Fortune was alright at the back but certainly lacks pace just like Seip.

Despite the win tonight I am not looking forward to the West Brom game.
 
don't think we were lucky to keep a clean sheet. thought bunn had a good game, poor pen but got down well. fortune had a good game but lacks pace, his finish was quality!!

did anyone else notice that ward passed in situation where normally he would shoot?!?
 
Love how people see the same game in such different ways.

I suppose people will slag Monty off at some point for the terribly misguided cross to Fortune for the first goal :rolleyes: :D
 
Fortune will get ripped to shreds on Saturday if he plays and I haven't seen Morgan give away stupid fouls like that for a long time. The first one should have led to a goal with a point blank header, the second was a penalty.
And the clean sheet was extremely lucky, you would have to be barking to believe otherwise.
There was absolutely no comparison to the Boro game but you tell me who the different member of the back four was.
It's writ very, very large. New defenders are an absolute must.

You are massively stuck in your own opinion without preparation to open up and give credit to players you have previously criticised.
Your frustration on Saturday with your Bolton Report may have been justified and most agreed with you. After a very positive result today you prefer to not complement today’s performance and look forward to being able to criticise if we lose on Saturday. This shows you have a very closed opinion which you would like to back up again as soon as possible.
Saturday you probably rightly critsised Bunn for a very poor performance. But against Reading tonight he had an outstanding game, saving a penalty and 2 fantastic first half saves he also came and gathered and kicked generally well. You however will not compliment him on that and will class any penalty save as 'lucky' and say he should have made those other saves 'that’s what he is there for'.:thumbdown:
 
You are massively stuck in your own opinion without preparation to open up and give credit to players you have previously criticised.
Your frustration on Saturday with your Bolton Report may have been justified and most agreed with you. After a very positive result today you prefer to not complement today’s performance and look forward to being able to criticise if we lose on Saturday. This shows you have a very closed opinion which you would like to back up again as soon as possible.
Saturday you probably rightly critsised Bunn for a very poor performance. But against Reading tonight he had an outstanding game, saving a penalty and 2 fantastic first half saves he also came and gathered and kicked generally well. You however will not compliment him on that and will class any penalty save as 'lucky' and say he should have made those other saves 'that’s what he is there for'.:thumbdown:

Welcome to len's world.

Here's a blast from the past, you can see nothing's changed much in the 3 years since this got it's 1st airing (sad that I kept it I'll grant you but it comes in handy every now and then :));

Mrs degoey1: 'What do you want for your tea love ?'
Len: 'I find it embarrassing that you need to ask'
Mrs degoey1: 'Sorry love, egg and chips ?'
Len: 'I can't believe we've been married for 6 years and haven't progressed past egg and chips, it's not rocket science you know'
Mrs degoey1: 'What do you mean love'
Len: 'If you can't see what I mean I'm not going to explain it for you'
Mrs degoey1: 'C'mon Lenny darling, sit yourself down and we'll talk about it'
Len: 'I'm not going to discuss this with someone who quite clearly can't see the bigger picture.'
Mrs degoey1: 'Steak ?'
Len: 'I rest my case'
Mrs degoey1: 'Eh ?'
Len: 'I suggest you think about what I said earlier, I'm not going to repeat myself.'
Mrs degoey: 'God, you're an infuriating bugger at times'
Len: 'Typical, lose an argument and you resort to abuse.'
Mrs degoey: 'I give up. Anyway, Lenny Jr rang earlier, he's decided to leave that job at McDonalds you got for him. He's been offered the managers job at Burger King, twice the money and better prospects.'
Len: 'What ! Why do I bother working day in day out, investing in the lad's future, paying for him to get through school and university for him to treat us like that.'
Mrs degoey1: 'I think you'll find his schooling was paid for with that grant, didn't cost us a penny'
Len: 'Burger King quite clearly had a better advertising campaign, it's not rocket science. We may as well scrap the education system in this country'
Mrs degoey1: 'What are you on about'
Len: 'If you can't see it, I'm not going to explain it to you.'
Mrs degoey1: 'Whatever. Anyway, you always said you wanted him to better himself and that if you'd had your way he would have progressed and moved away earlier'
Len: 'Aye, any realist could have seen that.'
Mrs degoey1: 'So, for the last time, what do you want for your tea ?'
Len: 'Them next door are much poorer than us, she can't even cook and I bet they're not having egg and chips'
Mrs degoey1: 'Then go and bloody live with them then!!'
Len: 'That's not the issue here and you know it. I confidently predict that they will get a bigger and better car than us by the end of the year and it's all down to your bad management'
Mrs degoey1: 'WHAT !!'
Len: 'Look, all the sensible minded people can see it, why can't you. It's obvious, and if you take your head out of the sand and see what's actually going on, maybe you can learn from it'
Mrs degoey1: 'WHAT DO YOU WANT FOR YOUR TEA ???'
Len: 'I bet that Neil Warnock's sat there supping tea when he should be out with the players'
Mrs degoey1: 'Jeez !!!!'
 
You are massively stuck in your own opinion without preparation to open up and give credit to players you have previously criticised.
Your frustration on Saturday with your Bolton Report may have been justified and most agreed with you. After a very positive result today you prefer to not complement today’s performance and look forward to being able to criticise if we lose on Saturday. This shows you have a very closed opinion which you would like to back up again as soon as possible.
Saturday you probably rightly critsised Bunn for a very poor performance. But against Reading tonight he had an outstanding game, saving a penalty and 2 fantastic first half saves he also came and gathered and kicked generally well. You however will not compliment him on that and will class any penalty save as 'lucky' and say he should have made those other saves 'that’s what he is there for'.:thumbdown:

Meanwhile, back in the real world, who was it who wrote this: "A dreadful performance rescued only by the goalkeeper and the best right back in the league..."
Anyone who thinks we played well last night or we haven't got major, major problems at the back is living in a dreamworld.
The fact that Blackwell criticised a 3-0 win should be enough to tell anyone how poor we were.
We were playing a team four points adrift of safety who created ten times the chances Boro had. There was only one change to our defence.
 



Quinn was terrible, absolutely terrible. Those photos of Blackie that he's got must be really something. Monty achieved the near impossible by playing even worse.
Laughable comment. You're entitled to it, of course, but I'm entitled to sit here and laugh through my nose and shake my head.
 

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