Wilder annoyed at transfer-listed players who won’t leave

[8lade]

I put on another thread that I wouldn't expect the players to lose out financially (but I don't know any better than anybody else) but for United it clears the decks and brings a few quid back (in wages paid by the new clubs). Comes down to do they want to play or sit around for the same money?

 

[Blade56]

Players get these clauses in their contracts to pay more if we have success. Conversely they will take a hit for relegation. Got to disagree with wilder on this, those players will want to play but you have to look after the family first.

 

[hidesbehindapseudonym]

Sorry Chris. If the owners decided it was time for you to go (God forbid) you would want the balance owed to you under your contract unless you found a similar job elsewhere - which, of course, would be impossible.

UTB

 

[KeyffSmyff]

2 aspects of this that go against the grain for me. As CW pointed out to Duffy he is in charge of the contracts, well that works 2 ways. As others have pointed out nobody on here would choose to go and work harder for less money and more pressure. My second issue is keeping the dirty laundry private.

 

[I should coco]

Carruthers especially has done next to nothing since he came here.

Re-writing history a bit there.

He's in the same boat as Hanson, Lavery and Riley who all played a part in getting us out of L1. Not main first teamers, but all did their bit.
He played in the first game back in La Liga against Brentford, but never looked quite good enough to be a regular in that league.

I'm not saying that entitles him to sit on his arse drawing a nice wedge, but equally he has played a small part in our climb back up the football pyramid.

 

[Charlieblade]

Is it possible that Wilder s 'slightly miffed' because he has earmarked their wages for improvements elsewhere in the club? The academy perhaps?

 

[ghandi]

To be fair these 5 have had over a year to find a new club/home so i can fully understand CW's anger.

You have a job that pays you 150k per year but you are offered one at 100k per year and you don't take it but you fully understand your bosses anger in you remaining. Really?

 

[8lade]

You have a job that pays you 150k per year but you are offered one at 100k per year and you don't take it but you fully understand your bosses anger in you remaining. Really?

SO you'd expect 100k from your new employer and 50k from the previous (is how I'd expect it to play out in this situation) and everybody can win.

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

If Clarke & Wright are the subject of these vague comments - I disagree entirely with Wilder.

Both these players have given us excellent service and value and I for one would not begrudge them running down their well earned contracts.

 

[diplomat]

Coutts was out of contract so had no other choice but to go, whether he liked it or not.

Bang on. This is something that has been twisted. The Coutts left to play regular football rather than be a bit part player is overplayed. Dropping to league one shows exactly where he is now. I love Coutts but to claim he had any kind of role to play now is blinkered.

As for the others Leon was given a good deal on a good contract length. Don’t know the details but all the noise at the time were such. It all pointed to that we’d have him until the end of that contract. Presuming that the others are on terms above those that they would get elsewhere. That problem will potentially get worse as all new signings will be on comparatively more money than ever before with less potential suitors.

 

[ghandi]

SO you'd expect 100k from your new employer and 50k from the previous (is how I'd expect it to play out in this situation) and everybody can win.

Agreed but not so sure that is the case, that's the problem with spouting off to the media but not making all the facts known.

 

[Snake]

Promotion bonuses will have been paid to most of the players, I'm sure. Unfortunately that means that some players now are unsellable. Lower Champ / League 1 clubs etc who might have been tempted to pay for players like Carruthers, Holmes, Henegan etc could now not afford to do that and pay them the same wages. So the only way these players will go is on a free / loan with us subsidising some of the wages.

We are victims of our own success here. Nobody expected us to go from pub league to prem in 3 seasons. I think we just have to take this on the chin. In the grand scheme of things it's a small price to pay.

This is a bit of a learning curve for Tufty. I'm not sure whether he will have had to deal with this type of thing too often before. He's a man's man, but looks like he takes things a bit personally. When we are talking about the sums of money we probably are now - ie not £100 a week, but more like 4 or 5 grand a week difference, I don't blame the players one bit. As has been said, contracts work 2 ways.

 

[Blade&Snuff]

Don't agree with CW on this one, this should have been kept private and discussed one to one with the players and give them the incentive to look for a new club, in so much as ensuring that they don't loose out financially.

Unless, he's gone public to put them in the shop window.

 

[BushBlade]

This was just a comment in his post match interview. It’s not like he’s gone on a huge rant about it. It had already been discussed over the weekend on here.

Yeah, he wants them to leave but they’re not going to leave to suit him, they’ll leave to suit themselves, that’s how it works.

 

[tincan]

Perhaps its wiser for Wilder, "the EFL Manager of the Year", if he came out with gushing praise for all of them, to make them more attractive to other clubs. He is a SKY darling now, and we're on a global platform now so lots of opportunity to attract the overseas market for them as well as UK clubs and at the sametime highlight how we look after our players when they need to move on. Whats happened to once a blade always a blade?

 

[bertieblade]

Promotion bonuses should be paid as a lump sum, primarily dependent upon matches play, appearances as sub or inclusion in the match day squad.
Players retained for the following season in a higher division should have an increase in wage / bonuses if they feature as detailed above.
This enables the club to alleviate players who either do not perform or just want to hang around to pick up a pay packet

 

[PaulHalfway]

They all will have a enhanced contact with us being in the PL, at their age won’t want to take any pay reductions, why would they ?
But you would think they would still want to play not hanging around on a Saturday afternoon
It’s now really up to the club to negotiate pay offs or subsidies a loan deal

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Re-writing history a bit there.

He's in the same boat as Hanson, Lavery and Riley who all played a part in getting us out of L1. Not main first teamers, but all did their bit.
He played in the first game back in La Liga against Brentford, but never looked quite good enough to be a regular in that league.

I'm not saying that entitles him to sit on his arse drawing a nice wedge, but equally he has played a small part in our climb back up the football pyramid.

Was about to say something similar.

That second half of the league One season a number of his cameos from the bench were excellent and no doubt kept Duffy on his toes in training too.

Same for Holmes. He may not have that great an impact on the pitch but he no doubt motivated those in training and kept people on their toes.

 

['Doc' Pace my hero]

Sometimes we are the victims of our own success and some players,through good fortune benefit financially beyond their pay grade.The problems that we have inherited pale into insignificance compared to our neighbours at S6.

 

[BladeTillIDie]

Perhaps its wiser for Wilder, "the EFL Manager of the Year", if he came out with gushing praise for all of them, to make them more attractive to other clubs. He is a SKY darling now, and we're on a global platform now so lots of opportunity to attract the overseas market for them as well as UK clubs and at the sametime highlight how we look after our players when they need to move on. Whats happened to once a blade always a blade?

Not a Wilder fan then?

 

[guancheblade]

You've got to have a bit of sympathy for Wright and Holmes, they're both at an age where teams won't offer them big contracts. Wright has spent his entire career in the Conference and League 2, Holmes has had a really short career at League 1 and 2 level. Neither will have earned enough to be retiring and have a secure future; and now we're asking them to take a pay cut. Wright has a family and seems to be fairly settled in Dronfield. In reality a couple of grand a week pay cut now probably means another couple of years work post football. I'm not sure what lower league players go on to after their playing career is up.

Train up Jake Wright for a defensive coach position - arguably has the best defensive brain out of the whole lot.

 

[BladeTillIDie]

Football is a short career that we would all dream of having. These lads are at ages in their careers where they need to be playing. Its not always about money, ffs they will still earn thousands a week at a new club.

On my own here but fully agree with CW on this one. Get gone deadwood.

 

[PokerBlade]

Like others, I can see both sides on this one. Remember as well that it's not like other jobs where you move to another job nearby. Moving clubs can mean having to move your family or having one hell of a commute, and if it also involves less money then I can definitely sympathise with players who want to wait it out looking for the right move for them while they're paid from a contract the manager once told them they'd both earned and deserved.

At the same time, Wilder's tried to sign players with a certain ethic and that means players that want to play football. Perhaps from Wilder's perspective he has a right to feel let down by players he thought valued the game more than they're showing.

From a fan's perspective, this just seems like the price of success. We've moved on so quickly that we're bound to have acquired players that no longer meet the standards. They can't all march up the divisions like some of the first team look set to. Wilder needs to motivate players to do what he wants from them and for the most part all I can judge it from is the results I see. On that basis, the guy still can do no wrong.

 

[William]

SO you'd expect 100k from your new employer and 50k from the previous (is how I'd expect it to play out in this situation) and everybody can win.

If it got to that stage I'd probably just wait for the boss to pay me off £150k since he's been a nob about it and then go and find a job that pays £100k after that's dealt with.

I've turned up for work every day, I've played a role in getting the business to where it is. Now pay me what I'm owed you nob. Just because you think someone else can do the job better and you don't need me any more isn't my fault when I've done everything that's been asked of me within my contract.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Like everything else to do with signing, retaining or selling players it's a negotiation. As others have said contracts are a two way street so a middle ground has to be sought. Surely it's better to negotiate their leaving and save a few quid than to keep them for the full season whilst having to pay their full wages? Three of these players brought real value to the club: Leon (that season; the back end of League one; his performance vs Leeds for Wigan); Carruthers won the crucial pen vs Bolton; Jake Wright was outstanding for 18 months- and is probably still on relative peanuts. Holmes and Heneghan provided little. It's my guess is that the former was the subject of a lot of Wilder's ire.

 

[sufcboy95]

Amazed Clarke hasn’t moved on yet. Surely will have had plenty of offers from lower championship/top league 1 clubs who can pay him a decent wage

 

[8lade]

If it got to that stage I'd probably just wait for the boss to pay me off £150k since he's been a nob about it and then go and find a job that pays £100k after that's dealt with.

Ok, how about I throw in an extra 10k to sweeten it? You see where we're going, there has to be some common ground where both parties if not totally happy can at least say they got something out of it.

 

[Bartleby]

A while ago, I bought a midi keyboard with drum pads cos I liked the look of it, it was at a good price and I thought it would be useful. I named it Henighan. 4 months on and it's still just loloping around in my studio, having never been plugged into the computer and, therefore, never squeaked a note or tapped a single beat. I often wonder what the fuck planet I was on or what medication I was taking to make me buy it in the first place but I don't get mad at it for hanging around in the forlorn hope that one day I might need a sequencer to accompany a Hawkwind type riff or passage. Just sayin' like......

He might buy it off yer ..

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Same for Holmes. He may not have that great an impact on the pitch but he no doubt motivated those in training and kept people on their toes.

I’m not sure Holmes’s off the field impact would have been any more than just a general extra body in the squad. In fact I’ve seen zero evidence that he was pushing Duffy or keeping Duffy motivated whatsoever. It would be like me saying “Ched Evans might have contributed absolutely nothing for us in his last spell, but no doubt his mere presence in those preseasons kept Sharp and McGoldrick on their toes.”

 

[BushBlade]

I’m not sure Holmes’s off the field impact would have been any more than just a general extra body in the squad. In fact I’ve seen zero evidence that he was pushing Duffy or keeping Duffy motivated whatsoever. It would be like me saying “Ched Evans might have contributed absolutely nothing for us in his last spell, but no doubt his mere presence in those preseasons kept Sharp and McGoldrick on their toes.”

Which could be true. It’s one of those intangibles that bean counters can’t quantify so they ignore.