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Really looking forward to the start of this season and i'd love to think it would be a great time to move on from some of the bitterness some people seem to hold towards some other fans.

The West Ham debacle was 15 years ago, the miners strike nearly 30. Portsmouth and Southampton still bring up a dock strike break from over 100 years ago.

In times where racism and homophobia is thankfully showing signs of lessening it would be great to think we could enjoy the football without bringing up old grudges.

I know some will agree, I also suspect many won't but i'm not going to let anything like this get in the way of me enjoying Saturdays.
 

SK10Blade said:
In times where racism is thankfully showing signs of lessening
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Sorry. That's so wrong......

Statistics gathered by anti-discrimination charity Kick It Out showed reports of racism in English football rose by 43% - from 192 to 274 - last season. This season there has already been four alleged incidents of racist abuse on the opening weekend of the EFL campaign.

It's increasing and it will increase again this season.
 
Lazarus said:
Sorry. That's so wrong......

Statistics gathered by anti-discrimination charity Kick It Out showed reports of racism in English football rose by 43% - from 192 to 274 - last season. This season there has already been four alleged incidents of racist abuse on the opening weekend of the EFL campaign.

It's increasing and it will increase again this season.
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Reports might increase, doesn’t mean the actual acts have.
 
I’m pretty sure we’ll have some new ones before the season is out.
 
Lazarus said:
Sorry. That's so wrong......

Statistics gathered by anti-discrimination charity Kick It Out showed reports of racism in English football rose by 43% - from 192 to 274 - last season. This season there has already been four alleged incidents of racist abuse on the opening weekend of the EFL campaign.

It's increasing and it will increase again this season.
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https://unherd.com/2018/12/how-racist-is-britain/

It's a difficult one to tell. I think the reporting system is being improved and people are more comfortable coming forward against this horrific abuse.
 
Yellarbellyblade said:
Sunderland and Newcastle goes back to the civil war, we’re amateurs and just getting started. 😂
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I wouldn’t have liked to have taken sides in that one. A load of monarchist arse lickers v a bunch of puritanical fundamentalist killjoys.

How ironic would it be if just after Prince Charles was crowned king the brexiteers and remainers started shooting each other. Why would you even call him Charles in the first place. Surely it’s just tempting fate.
 
FMBlade1 said:
https://unherd.com/2018/12/how-racist-is-britain/
It's a difficult one to tell. I think the reporting system is being improved and people are more comfortable coming forward against this horrific abuse.
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Wonder what the percentage would be on here if asked......

If you hear or see what you believe to racist/homophobic behaviour at Bramall Lane on a matchday, would you report it to the Police?
 

Lazarus said:
So, someone reporting racist behaviour might just be kidding, having a laugh?
The racism NEVER actually happened?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/20092905

There are some false/incorrect/unproven claims. Our club was involved with one Lee Croft as shown in the link above.

Then there was Ramires:

www.telegraph.co.uk

Mark Clattenburg cleared as FA charges Chelsea's John Obi Mikel with misconduct

Mark Clattenburg has spoken of his “truly frightening” ordeal after being cleared by the Football Association following allegations that he directed a racist remark towards Chelsea midfielder John Obi Mikel.
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk

And Mason Holgate: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/21/roberto-firmino-cleared-racism-allegations
 
Lazarus said:
Wonder what the percentage would be on here if asked......

If you hear or see what you believe to racist/homophobic behaviour at Bramall Lane on a matchday, would you report it to the Police?
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Easier said than done.

Where would you find the policeman/woman to identify the culprit and gather witnesses?
 
Lazarus said:
Wonder what the percentage would be on here if asked......

If you hear or see what you believe to racist/homophobic behaviour at Bramall Lane on a matchday, would you report it to the Police?
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I never have heard such vile abuse fortunately of that nature, though it doesn't mean that this abhorrent practice goes on. I would report it if I heard it, absolutely.

Is football becoming more racist? I'd argue not, though some far right groups are infiltrating certain football clubs like Luton they are the exception rather than the rule.
 
Bert said:
Easier said than done.

Where would you find the policeman/woman to identify the culprit and gather witnesses?
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I'd make sure that I would find one, I wouldn't expect anyone else to do it.
If I hear, see or have any knowledge of such behaviour, I report it.
I hope that BDTBL this season is a place where no such behaviour takes place, or any place for that matter.
 
Lazarus said:
Statistics gathered by anti-discrimination charity Kick It Out showed reports of racism in English football rose by 43% - from 192 to 274 - last season. This season there has already been four alleged incidents of racist abuse on the opening weekend of the EFL campaign
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FMBlade1 said:
Is football becoming more racist? I'd argue not.
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It is. It rose by 43% last season.
An incident happened last Saturday at Oakwell.

www.independent.co.uk

Fulham defender accuses fans of hitting and racially abusing his sister

Fulham were beaten in their first Championship match following relegation from the Premier League
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
Lazarus said:
Wonder what the percentage would be on here if asked......

If you hear or see what you believe to racist/homophobic behaviour at Bramall Lane on a matchday, would you report it to the Police?
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Take the seat number and email it to the club.
 
Bit of a jump from football grudges to talking about how good it is that racism has declined in football but it is still technically pre season.
 
Lazarus said:
Wonder what the percentage would be on here if asked......

If you hear or see what you believe to racist/homophobic behaviour at Bramall Lane on a matchday, would you report it to the Police?
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I reported someone via the Kick It Out app during our last season in League One. It was away at Peterborough and someone a couple of rows back from me said some disgusting words about one of their players.

I confronted him and gave him a right earful and (in the heat of the moment) threatened him with being banned from watching football - which i hope United would do if he was caught. It got passed onto Peterborough Police and I spoke with a police officer a few times on the phone regarding the incident mainly about the procedure, attending ID parades and what not and how far i was prepared to take it. Unfortunately due to the lack of decent CCTV "at the smaller clubs", as the Officer put it, there wasn't anything to go off and the incident was dropped.

Interestingly no one else around me said anything/backed me up (not that i wanted it) and my point is that others WILL have heard it and weren't bothered to do or say anything which is quite a shame really.....
 
Student Blade said:
I reported someone via the Kick It Out app during our last season in League One. It was away at Peterborough and someone a couple of rows back from me said some disgusting words about one of their players.

I confronted him and gave him a right earful and (in the heat of the moment) threatened him with being banned from watching football - which i hope United would do if he was caught. It got passed onto Peterborough Police and I spoke with a police officer a few times on the phone regarding the incident mainly about the procedure, attending ID parades and what not and how far i was prepared to take it. Unfortunately due to the lack of decent CCTV "at the smaller clubs", as the Officer put it, there wasn't anything to go off and the incident was dropped.

Interestingly no one else around me said anything/backed me up (not that i wanted it) and my point is that others WILL have heard it and weren't bothered to do or say anything which is quite a shame really.....
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There lies the problem, it's no good telling the police if you can't back it up with clear evidence and help from others who saw it heard it.
 
Student Blade said:
I reported someone via the Kick It Out app during our last season in League One. It was away at Peterborough and someone a couple of rows back from me said some disgusting words about one of their players.

I confronted him and gave him a right earful and (in the heat of the moment) threatened him with being banned from watching football - which i hope United would do if he was caught. It got passed onto Peterborough Police and I spoke with a police officer a few times on the phone regarding the incident mainly about the procedure, attending ID parades and what not and how far i was prepared to take it. Unfortunately due to the lack of decent CCTV "at the smaller clubs", as the Officer put it, there wasn't anything to go off and the incident was dropped.

Interestingly no one else around me said anything/backed me up (not that i wanted it) and my point is that others WILL have heard it and weren't bothered to do or say anything which is quite a shame really.....
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Those that do nothing, say nothing, are just as bad as those that commit the offence.
I suppose they'd still do nothing if it was aimed at them.

By the way, I doff my cap.... to you and anyone who isn't afraid to stand up and report such behaviour.
 
OP is spot on.

While we are at it let’s be a little more kind to local sides in pub leagues.

Dingles, Rotherham, dirties. We forgive you. We wish you well. You’re fine people.

And pigs, poor poor pigs. Illusions of grandeur, superiority complexes. We forgive you and wish you and all the scruffy, smelly tramps that follow you every success.

We are Premier League and we can and will rise above petty hatred.
 
SK10Blade said:
Really looking forward to the start of this season and i'd love to think it would be a great time to move on from some of the bitterness some people seem to hold towards some other fans.

The West Ham debacle was 15 years ago, the miners strike nearly 30. Portsmouth and Southampton still bring up a dock strike break from over 100 years ago.

In times where racism and homophobia is thankfully showing signs of lessening it would be great to think we could enjoy the football without bringing up old grudges.

I know some will agree, I also suspect many won't but i'm not going to let anything like this get in the way of me enjoying Saturdays.
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I'd forgotten about all of that - thanks for reminding me.
 

Lazarus said:
It is. It rose by 43% last season.
An incident happened last Saturday at Oakwell.

www.independent.co.uk

Fulham defender accuses fans of hitting and racially abusing his sister

Fulham were beaten in their first Championship match following relegation from the Premier League
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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REPORTS rose by 43% last season. I would guess there was only a handful of reports during any given year in the 1980's. Does that mean football is more racist now than it was then?

I'm not downplaying the issue, and we will have to see whether the incident occurred. Innocent until proven guilty. It could be another Croft, Holgate or Ramires situation. We shall see. Of course if it did happen no punishment can be too great.

It's a positive development that people are reporting these incidents more.
 
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