CONFIRMED Dean Henderson returns on season long loan

[LoughboroBlade]

Has it?

The last couple of pages on this thread are laughable.

A reason we haven’t got it sorted straight away is also because we’re fairly calm over the whole thing. We hardly need to get him in early to “meet the lads” or “get used to the system”. Frankly if this was done on deadline day he could just slot into the first fixture – it’ll be done much earlier though.

 

[Captain Obvious]

70 million is parachute money to sustain the club if relegated
The wage bill is likely 40-50 million now and can't remember the actual figure but possibly 10-20 million on upgrading facility's at the ground and academy that leaves 30 -50 million and given that the club only receives 80 million in tv money this season with 40 now and 40 in January you can see why the club aren't just going out and spinning cash all over the premierleague curtains

I said 170m over 3 years, whether that's parachute payment or not, it's still 170m...and that's 170m worst case scenario. Spending 5-10m out of that for a permanent goalkeeper, and thinking about the long term, is not asking a lot. You said yourself there should be 50m out of the 100m this year remaining after wage/ground/training ground improvements, and that's before income through player sales, tickets, merchandise, and money the owners should put in (wishful thinking)...we have the opportunity to cherry pick a top quality goalkeeper, and we're going to end up with a loan player who is average Championship standard

 

[Niceguyeddie]

I said 170m over 3 years, whether that's parachute payment or not, it's still 170m...and that's 170m worst case scenario. Spending 5-10m out of that for a permanent goalkeeper, and thinking about the long term, is not asking a lot. You said yourself there should be 50m out of the 100m this year remaining after wage/ground/training ground improvements, and that's before income through player sales, tickets, merchandise, and money the owners should put in (wishful thinking)...we have the opportunity to cherry pick a top quality goalkeeper, and we're going to end up with a loan player who is average Championship standard

If you spend the 170 million now what do you pay your wage bill with if you go down ?
Our budget is probably between 30 and 50 million
Again you spend all that now and have nothing left for January is a madness and finally it's pretty ' obvious ' that Henderson is signing and will start the first game so why spend a huge chunk of your budget on a player you don't need?

 

[BigBed]

sprouts, love em or hate em, they're just sprouts.

 

[SwissBlade]

A reason we haven’t got it sorted straight away is also because we’re fairly calm over the whole thing. We hardly need to get him in early to “meet the lads” or “get used to the system”. Frankly if this was done on deadline day he could just slot into the first fixture – it’ll be done much earlier though.

Exactly. If everyone knows it’s getting done but he needs his contract at Man U sorting then we have nothing to panic about. He and Man U will also want him involved pre season so that they can have a look at him properly in their squad.

In the meantime, we can recruit for other positions and have a look at our own goal keepers before we send them out on loan... which I see we did with Eastwood this week.

 

[Captain Obvious]

If you spend the 170 million now what do you pay your wage bill with if you go down ?
Our budget is probably between 30 and 50 million
Again you spend all that now and have nothing left for January is a madness and finally it's pretty ' obvious ' that Henderson is signing and will start the first game so why spend a huge chunk of your budget on a player you don't need?

How does spending 5-10m on a goalkeeper equate to spending the whole 170m? The wage bill also gets reduced through contract clauses if we get relegated, pretty standard. We will need to sign a goalkeeper next season regardless of what happens, wait until next season and we could be relegated, meaning we wouldn't be able to attract the calibre of player we can right now.

 

[bladesmanluke]

If CW is not 100% confident of landing Henderson (which I believe he is) he will have other irons in the fire... this is one area that doesn't concern me.

Exactly this. The only reason we won't be bringing in another goalkeeper is if Chris isn't 100% sure Henderson will be returning. We can all relax on this.

 

[YES Blade]

Exactly this. The only reason we won't be bringing in another goalkeeper is if Chris isn't 100% sure Henderson will be returning. We can all relax on this.

I’d like to think there is a possibility that Wilder will be looking to sign a better no. 2. If Moore was required to play say 10 matches next season due to injury or suspension our chances of survival wouldn’t be good.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

How does spending 5-10m on a goalkeeper equate to spending the whole 170m? The wage bill also gets reduced through contract clauses if we get relegated, pretty standard. We will need to sign a goalkeeper next season regardless of what happens, wait until next season and we could be relegated, meaning we wouldn't be able to attract the calibre of player we can right now.

in answer to your points

I didn't say spending 10 million equates to spending 170 million i was trying to explain to you that clubs that spend parachute payments before they get them are fucking idiots

Assuming the wage bill does get reduced will it be less than the 35 million parachute money?
If not the directors or player sales will have to cover the difference

Would you rather spend the money on a keeper than the strikers we are being linked with if so please name one we would get for 10 million who you think is an improvement on the loanee we've already got lined up

And lastly you don't seem to know a lot about our club and football finances in general and seem to have a wendyesque attitude towards finances and look where it's got them

 

[bladesmanluke]

I’d like to think there is a possibility that Wilder will be looking to sign a better no. 2. If Moore was required to play say 10 matches next season due to injury or suspension our chances of survival wouldn’t be good.

I believe RC alluded to this being the plan a couple of months ago and it would make sense now Eastwood has gone. It would be risky to go all season with just 2 recognised goalkeepers.

 

[Captain Obvious]

in answer to your points

I didn't say spending 10 million equates to spending 170 million i was trying to explain to you that clubs that spend parachute payments before they get them are fucking idiots

Assuming the wage bill does get reduced will it be less than the 35 million parachute money?
If not the directors or player sales will have to cover the difference

Would you rather spend the money on a keeper than the strikers we are being linked with if so please name one we would get for 10 million who you think is an improvement on the loanee we've already got lined up

And lastly you don't seem to know a lot about our club and football finances in general and seem to have a wendyesque attitude towards finances and look where it's got them

I'd have finding a goalkeeper a priority. I think the goalkeeper position is vital this season and next, which is why I don't want Henderson back and I keep banging the drum ...I just don't think he's good enough. I could stomach it if he signed permanently and he was to develop with us, as he will get better, but right now there's loads of mistakes in him that we just can't afford this season, and at the end of it, when he sees us relegated, we won't benefit at all as we will need to find another goalkeeper, using that parachute money you're worried about. Signing him on loan will be the biggest mistake we make this transfer window, I'm sure of it...the only one's who will benefit from the loan are Man Utd and Henderson.

I've already listed better goalkeepers we could get on a previous post in this thread.

'A Wendyesque attitude towards finances' because I want us to recruit a quality permanent goalkeeper? Grow up mate.

 

[SWB]

I'd have finding a goalkeeper a priority. I think the goalkeeper position is vital this season and next, which is why I don't want Henderson back and I keep banging the drum ...I just don't think he's good enough. I could stomach it if he signed permanently and he was to develop with us, as he will get better, but right now there's loads of mistakes in him that we just can't afford this season, and at the end of it, when he sees us relegated, we won't benefit at all as we will need to find another goalkeeper, using that parachute money you're worried about. Signing him on loan will be the biggest mistake we make this transfer window, I'm sure of it...the only one's who will benefit from the loan are Man Utd and Henderson.

I've already listed better goalkeepers we could get on a previous post in this thread.

'A Wendyesque attitude towards finances' because I want us to recruit a quality permanent goalkeeper? Grow up mate.

Are you for real??

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Lol -

90% of the spice on this thread is because people are sulking this deal hasn’t already happened yet! Calm down

 

[Tom Smith]

Keep an eye on this flight

 

[Scarebus]

I have eyes inside an airport. Nothing of interest on the FAO this morning, checking the VIE later....

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Keep an eye on this flight

Why, is Juanpi on it?

 

[Bladeloyal]

Why, is Juanpi on it?

No but hendo is

 

[Scarebus]

No but hendo is

Is he going to the Algarve office of the Chinese embassy to sort his visa out?

 

[Hamburg Blade]

No but hendo is

Do you think he's mates with Juanpi? Could he put in a good word?

 

[Foxy]

 

[Greenwich Blade]

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"What have you done to its eyes?!"

 

[Superblades]

If nothing is looking like happening then we need to look elsewhere. In my opinion, at best we have him on loan for another season. We are just delaying what we have for the past 2 seasons and that is looking for a permanent number one.

 

[ThatJa]

I've been told Man Utd were hoping to take Henderson to Australia with them, but there was some sort of visa issue that wasn't resolved in time because they're flying straight to Chinas from Australia, they're due to travel to Australia tomorrow and Henderson wouldn't be able to travel.

Man United have supposidly agreed to let Henderson join us for light training. Told there is no deal in place yet and he's not a Sheffield United player as of right now and won't be involved in the Real Betis friendly unless a deal is in place before then.

 

[Snowman]

Seems like we are Man U's bitch. Not ideal. Is he worth it? Bloody well hope so after all this shit.

 

[Mouth of the South]

I’d like to think there is a possibility that Wilder will be looking to sign a better no. 2. If Moore was required to play say 10 matches next season due to injury or suspension our chances of survival wouldn’t be good.

Totally agree YB. He seems like a great bloke but Moore is a long way off Prem standard. I was worrying about the two games v Man Utd which Henderson will be ineligible but you're right - what happens if he sustains an injury.

I'm sure CW & co are monitoring several options but Marshall would appear to be a good fit as long as he's happy to be cover.

 

[Cheesebored]

Seems like we are Man U's bitch. Not ideal. Is he worth it? Bloody well hope so after all this shit.

All what shit? Long, drawn out negotiations are part and parcel of modern football. As it happens I agree that it isn't ideal and think Wilder should be thinking about looking elsewhere for a shot stopper. Hendo has made some great saves in his time with us but also the odd clanger. He's far from the finished article and doesn't dominate on crosses or inspire me with the ball at his feet. Neither do I get the" love in" for him. I'm not convinced by the badge thumping either, we're simply a stepping stone on his career path. I'm aware this isn't a widely held view on this forum but one thing I am sure of is that whatever Wilder decides is best for the club and the team, I'll go with.

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

Posted last night....

Portugal?

 

[bromtom]

I've been told Man Utd were hoping to take Henderson to Australia with them, but there was some sort of visa issue that wasn't resolved in time because they're flying straight to Chinas from Australia, they're due to travel to Australia tomorrow and Henderson wouldn't be able to travel.

Man United have supposidly agreed to let Henderson join us for light training. Told there is no deal in place yet and he's not a Sheffield United player as of right now and won't be involved in the Real Betis friendly unless a deal is in place before then.

Don't see why they wouldn't leave him in Manchester to train with their reserves/U21s (assuming they don't all go to Australia with the first team)

Seems daft to send him to another club unless a deal has been agreed.

He's on Instagram saying he's on holiday which he's surely not.

Already had extended leave because of the U21 tournament, and you don't start training and then go on holiday.

 

[Snowman]

All what shit? Long, drawn out negotiations are part and parcel of modern football. As it happens I agree that it isn't ideal and think Wilder should be thinking about looking elsewhere for a shot stopper. Hendo has made some great saves in his time with us but also the odd clanger. He's far from the finished article and doesn't dominate on crosses or inspire me with the ball at his feet. Neither do I get the" love in" for him. I'm not convinced by the badge thumping either, we're simply a stepping stone on his career path. I'm aware this isn't a widely held view on this forum but one thing I am sure of is that whatever Wilder decides is best for the club and the team, I'll go with.

"All this shit" is the 500 plus posts on this thread wittering on about "will he won't he", innumerable messages on various social media platforms with stupid "teasers", badge thumping when we know he wants to play for Man U and a situation whereby we seem to be held to ransom by his present employers or his agent and maybe a combination of both.

Of course I am aware that nowadays Harry Manager doesn't say, "nah then lad thi contract's fer a season at 9 bob a week and free brylcream. Ar Jean's gorrit int office, gerrit signed sharpish afor't chairman changes his mind."

Not shit would be:-
1. Sign a permanent keeper who is ours and doesn't have a huge safety net of a contract to fall back on if he fucks up here and who is taking half of the loan allocation.
2. IF CW thinks he is that good (IMHO he's pretty good for his age and experience and your assessment above is spot on) then can we just accept he wants him, the lad wants to come back to further his development, it's in negotiation and we don't need teasers and thumbs up and the like? At some stage we get him or we walk away.

 

[FTPE]

This is getting tedious and annoying.
Deano isn't helping the fans either with his cryptic messages, if anything he's starting to piss a few off...

But let's be clear on one thing, he is 100% worth the wait and the effort!