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BigBed said:
Forgive me for not agreeing.
Madine isn't good enough for the prem, he came to us as he couldn't make it into a relegated Cardiff team.
We need to be aiming higher than Madine, and Jay Rodriguez is a good start, we do need another, but we need to forget Hogan and Madine.
I'd rather get a young prospect than eather of those.
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Mate football is all about opinions! And you are entitled to yours without needing forgiveness 😉

I see where your coming from, I just really think Madine is a lot better than he gets credit for. He’s ball control and first touch is fantastic, he brings others into play really well. And the way he brings his ball down on his chest is remarkable. We are going to NEED a player of his ilk next year.
 

Maidenhead said:
We know that they don't have the money to invest but what evidence is there that they want to leave with full pockets?

Half the Premiership income wouldn't replace what McCabe has spent, never mind fill his pockets.

If the two of them.walk away with full.pockets it will.be from selling their shares not purloining the club's funds.
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You'll never get that last paragraph accepted by some.

( and don't come back with that "it's a fact" nonsense)
 
Cerberus Blade said:
Good point by Woody. It’s not just about what we spend on transfer fees, it’s what we spend on wages. wages, if we’re going to splash £20m on transfer fees then the wages are going to be even more than that.

Gotta be careful thanuz!
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Well it seems the penny has dropped regarding wages increasing. Possibly doubling?

Surprised no one thought of that before.
 
Maidenhead said:
Who appointed the "miracle workers"

And

Who covered the losses to pay the players?

They may not have a lot to give but it's fair to say that without the pair of them we would be heading downwards not upwards
as I haven't noticed an army of white knights charging in to help us out.
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Law of averages, you’re going to get one right after so many wrong...

I don’t necessarily disagree and think Wilder was backed quite well this season but his net spend is in the minuses because of his sales of Brooks, DCL, Che and not to mention the profits spun on Leonard and Evans. They have him to thank for EVERYTHING.
 
Cerberus Blade said:
Good point by Woody. It’s not just about what we spend on transfer fees, it’s what we spend on wages. wages, if we’re going to splash £20m on transfer fees then the wages are going to be even more than that.

Gotta be careful thanuz!
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Any budget for the manager will include both wages and transfer fees and loan wages worh fees and penalties for not giving playing time
 
Mario1889 said:
If £20m is all Wilder has been given after the fantastic work he’s done at the club, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him managing elsewhere by November.

The sooner we get this court case sorted the better. We have a golden opportunity and if problems in the boardroom are what stops us from grasping that opportunity, the fans will never forgive McCabe and the Prince.
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That is my great fear. By the time he's gone it will be too late. When will our two current owners be on their way out? The new owners could take over a team at the bottom of the league and will easily lose sight of Wilder's previous success or any paltry budget this summer.
 
Akinbiyi said:
Law of averages, you’re going to get one right after so many wrong...

I don’t necessarily disagree and think Wilder was backed quite well this season but his net spend is in the minuses because of his sales of Brooks, DCL, Che and not to mention the profits spun on Leonard and Evans. They have him to thank for EVERYTHING.
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If net spend is "in the minuses" how come the accounts have us losing money every year, and the court heard that we were very close to not being able to pay wages when Prince was struggling to raise a million ?
 
Does anyone think that perhaps the £20m transfer budget claim is a red herring?

It's widely known how much income promoted sides receive and any club we approached for a player would know that as well. Over the last 3 years we've somehow defied modern transfer values and I wonder if this a psychological measure to continue it.

I don't doubt for a second that Wilder shall receive another miserly budget, but I don't believe some of the rumours about Wilder being in meltdown and considering his future at such a premature point of the transfer window.
 
Sean Thornton said:
Well it seems the penny has dropped regarding wages increasing. Possibly doubling?

Surprised no one thought of that before.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the bonus payments to players and management for getting to PL have been £5/10 million.
Part of the wages budget, but not part of the supporters budget plans.

"If we take that 7.5 million from the 20 million we have to spend we are left with sweet FA" 😧

Shame Dianne Abbott doesn't come on and explain all these budgets to us, there would so much less angst on the forum.
 
Woodwardfan said:
The key is making the budget available to spend in time for the players to settle in before the start of the season.

£80m is a pipe-dream with the owners in High Court and both hoping to leave the club a.s.a.p. £40m unlikely too.

Burnley last season. £80m wages. £80m transfer fees.

I actually think Wilder would find that obscene and putting at risk his dressing room unity. There's a balance he will strike.
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Burnley haven't spent £80m on transfer fees over the last two years let alone last season.
 
Akinbiyi said:
Law of averages, you’re going to get one right after so many wrong...

I don’t necessarily disagree and think Wilder was backed quite well this season but his net spend is in the minuses because of his sales of Brooks, DCL, Che and not to mention the profits spun on Leonard and Evans. They have him to thank for EVERYTHING.
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I thought it was McCabe that made us sell players for financial reasons only - nothing to do with improving the team surely?
 
Tom Bott said:
It wouldn't surprise me if the bonus payments to players and management for getting to PL have been £5/10 million.
Part of the wages budget, but not part of the supporters budget plans.

"If we take that 7.5 million from the 20 million we have to spend we are left with sweet FA" 😧

Shame Dianne Abbott doesn't come on and explain all these budgets to us, there would so much less angst on the forum.
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We don't need Dianne Abbott - our fans are quite capable of messing up our financial numbers without any outside help!
 

Sean Thornton said:
Yes. Not £80m last season, which was the claim.
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Yes, thanks Sean I typed £80m transfer fees and £80m wages when I should have typed £39m transfer fees and £80m wages.

Silly me. Clever you, thorough too. Just doesn't ring right 80/80 does it? Good work.

I'm sure you won't let that error distract you from the main points I was making.
 
Woodwardfan said:
Yes, thanks Sean I typed £80m transfer fees and £80m wages when I should have typed £39m transfer fees and £80m wages.

Silly me. Clever you, thorough too. Just doesn't ring right 80/80 does it? Good work.

I'm sure you won't let that error distract you from the main points I was making.
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£39m isn't correct either for transfer fees paid for the last submitted last season. I'm sure it was a genuine mistake, Even if your excuse, sorry reasoning, is wrong as well......

The point seemed to be - based on your own post - that little old Burnley, starting their fourth consecutive PL season soon, spent four times last season what you claim we will spend next season. Now reduced to twice the amount of course :) . Otherwise what was it?
 
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I'm not asking for an 80 or 100 million budget, but can we stop this bollocks about upsetting the dressing room with bigger signings.

We've lost loads of players in the past for the very opposite reason, zero ambition.

There's been dozens of times when our one decent player couldn't wait to get away so that he could play alongside better players.

There is nothing whatsoever to suggest that any of our players will throw a strop, if anything signing competition for them will make them become better players.

Liverpool are European Champions, do you think their going to ignore a world class striker because they've already got Mo Salah ?

Are Barcelona going to ignore the next worldbeater to emerge in Argentina because Messi's still got a few years left in him ?

No, they will constantly improve and if they do upset some primadonna they'll offload him.

We haven't got any primadonna's, none of them will be upset by competition

Its just bullshit that the owners have used for generations to try to justify it's cheap and shit transfer policy
 
Topplayersleave said:
I'm not asking for an 80 or 100 million budget, but can we stop this bollocks about upsetting the dressing room with bigger signings.

We've lost loads of players in the past for the very opposite reason, zero ambition.

There's been dozens of times when our one decent player couldn't wait to get away so that he could play alongside better players.

There is nothing whatsoever to suggest that any of our players will throw a strop, if anything signing competition for them will make them become better players.

Liverpool are European Champions, do you think their going to ignore a world class striker because they've already got Mo Salah ?

Are Barcelona going to ignore the next worldbeater to emerge in Argentina because Messi's still got a few years left in him ?

No, they will constantly improve and if they do upset some primadonna they'll offload him.

We haven't got any primadonna's, none of them will be upset by competition

Its just bullshit that the owners have used for generations to try to justify it's cheap and shit transfer policy
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Jim Phipps ( and McCabe even though he never uttered the words) were slaughtered after saying "think Liverpool". Now you're adding Barcelona to the list.........
 
Sean Thornton said:
£39m isn't correct either for transfer fees paid for the last submitted last season. I'm sure it was a genuine mistake, Even if your excuse, sorry reasoning, is wrong as well......

The point seemed to be - based on your own post - that little old Burnley, starting their fourth consecutive PL season soon, spent four times last season what you claim we will spend next season. Now reduced to twice the amount of course :) . Otherwise what was
Sean Thornton said:
£39m isn't correct either for transfer fees paid for the last submitted last season. I'm sure it was a genuine mistake, Even if your excuse, sorry reasoning, is wrong as well......

The point seemed to be - based on your own post - that little old Burnley, starting their fourth consecutive PL season soon, spent four times last season what you claim we will spend next season. Now reduced to twice the amount of course :) . Otherwise what was it?
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Wikipedia £38.7m. Not a deliberate lie.

Burnley were just a random example of a team fighting relegation last season. Nothing sinister. Others spent more.

Sean: This is Your Life. Get on with it.

itsinyerblood please note.
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You're either lonely or have a worrying psychological issue. A serious piece of advice, it might help expunge your devils - see an analyst. The first one may not be the one for you, but keep on until you meet someone who can correctly identify what ails you. I'd do it for you but I'm currently writing a blog about the world at large. You're not included simply because you don't have much else to offer than wear the mask of amateur comic fool. You've got some way to go before the world recognises you as the illustrious influencer you seem intent on becoming.
 
Topplayersleave said:
I'm not asking for an 80 or 100 million budget, but can we stop this bollocks about upsetting the dressing room with bigger signings.

We've lost loads of players in the past for the very opposite reason, zero ambition.

There's been dozens of times when our one decent player couldn't wait to get away so that he could play alongside better players.

There is nothing whatsoever to suggest that any of our players will throw a strop, if anything signing competition for them will make them become better players.

Liverpool are European Champions, do you think their going to ignore a world class striker because they've already got Mo Salah ?

Are Barcelona going to ignore the next worldbeater to emerge in Argentina because Messi's still got a few years left in him ?

No, they will constantly improve and if they do upset some primadonna they'll offload him.

We haven't got any primadonna's, none of them will be upset by competition

Its just bullshit that the owners have used for generations to try to justify it's cheap and shit transfer policy
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One of the things that has got us this far, is an apparently harmonious group of players who socialise together, are happy in each other’s company and pull in the same direction. One of the quickest ways to ruin that is bringing in dickheads no matter how good they are and disrupting the balance of wage parity that currently exists.

We’ve luckily managed to resolve previous issues quickly and without too much on field affect. If we start bringing in players on 2x the money we either have to bump everyone up accordingly or risk unsettling the apple cart.
 
A decent signing in the Prem costs 20 million now and that's not just the fee, when you include wages and bonuses it all adds up. Now I have read stuff like well we don't want to break our wage budget as other players will get upset.... what a load of sh!t end of the day the squad needs vast improvement and if you pay championship/league one money you get championship/league one players!
 
Wooden Seats said:
A decent signing in the Prem costs 20 million now and that's not just the fee, when you include wages and bonuses it all adds up. Now I have read stuff like well we don't want to break our wage budget as other players will get upset.... what a load of sh!t end of the day the squad needs vast improvement and if you pay championship/league one money you get championship/league one players!
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And your team pays Rhodes and Fletcher,to name but two, over 42k a week,and are linked to 3rd Division Lee Cattermole.

I don't think you are in any position to comment on a Premier League team,and how it conducts its business .
 
itsinyerblood said:
You're either lonely or have a worrying psychological issue. A serious piece of advice, it might help expunge your devils - see an analyst. The first one may not be the one for you, but keep on until you meet someone who can correctly identify what ails you. I'd do it for you but I'm currently writing a blog about the world at large. You're not included simply because you don't have much else to offer than wear the mask of amateur comic fool. You've got some way to go before the world recognises you as the illustrious influencer you seem intent on becoming.
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Itsy. I've included you in this because I'm concerned about your friend's way of life and state of mind. What irony.
 

Wooden Seats said:
A decent signing in the Prem costs 20 million now and that's not just the fee, when you include wages and bonuses it all adds up. Now I have read stuff like well we don't want to break our wage budget as other players will get upset.... what a load of sh!t end of the day the squad needs vast improvement and if you pay championship/league one money you get championship/league one players!
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Or......
You pay well over the odds in fees and wages for a group of players who can only be arsed to turn up when a new manager arrives - so you finish in mid table with a huge gap between you and a club that plays proper football and deserves to piss promotion by six points.
What a load of shit indeed
 
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