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I want to say well done the the 11 players and subs on saturday but only them. I will await the "why the anti blackwell post" replies after this. First of all when i heard the team saturday i wasn't aware of hendo being injured, i must of missed something last week not that, that is anybodys fault but to put in cresswell in as his replacement after weeks out was just unbelievable. Not only that but as a loan striker, when he has played mostly on the left since joining us. We have 3m striker on the bench am guessing he has no faith in. It took him 65 mins to realise this wasn't going to work so brought evans on. What is wrong with putting ward up top?. Also we have so many loan players we can't even name a keeper on the bench which very nearly back fired. I listened to his interview after the game and he played the poor performance on the weather, something that is the same for both sides but called it a professional performance. I thought we really got out of jail saturday and were out played by the worst side in the league, i wish that blackwell had filled in my lottery numbers. So for that i think the lads did well saturday to get the 3 points because i must have been difficult. Read this looks like it was to quick for cresswell, i think he is a crock and wouldn't be buying him.
http://www.sufc.co.uk/page/Gaffersnotes/0,,10418~1896753,00.html
 



I want to say well done the the 11 players and subs on saturday but only them. I will await the "why the anti blackwell post" replies after this. First of all when i heard the team saturday i wasn't aware of hendo being injured, i must of missed something last week not that, that is anybodys fault but to put in cresswell in as his replacement after weeks out was just unbelievable. Not only that but as a loan striker, when he has played mostly on the left since joining us. We have 3m striker on the bench am guessing he has no faith in. It took him 65 mins to realise this wasn't going to work so brought evans on. What is wrong with putting ward up top?. Also we have so many loan players we can't even name a keeper on the bench which very nearly back fired. I listened to his interview after the game and he played the poor performance on the weather, something that is the same for both sides but called it a professional performance. I thought we really got out of jail saturday and were out played by the worst side in the league, i wish that blackwell had filled in my lottery numbers. So for that i think the lads did well saturday to get the 3 points because i must have been difficult. Read this looks like it was to quick for cresswell, i think he is a crock and wouldn't be buying him.
http://www.sufc.co.uk/page/Gaffersnotes/0,,10418~1896753,00.html


The MRI scan he is referring to is for Hendo not Cresswell.

Cresswell has previously played down the middle with other clubs so him starting wasn't a surpise tome. Is Evans a targetman to play in a 4-5-1 at the moment in view of his indifferent for ? I suspect he'll start on Tuesday thou if Camera isn't fit.

Agree re having a sub keeper and certainly surprised Bennett isn't back yet.

Davies,Kallio,Treacy,Cresswell,Bunn,Ikeme are allloans thet expire in the next month I think.

Blackwell may say one thing to the press and something else to the players(it took years for Wenger to critisise his team in public) but after the games we have had this season where we have been unlucky(Newcastle,Cardiff ,Donny spring to mind),playing crap and winning is fine by me.:D
 
Hang on Dave, he's a development player. His price is irrelevant. Don't you know this! I can actually understand why he's on the bench in terms of his performances but it really is a joke that KB has to use the development player excuse to cover for his pathetic use of the resources at his disposal.

Nice to read Dave that 3 wins ion the spin have made zero difference to your views on Blackwell. Could not agree more with you.

Bart - agree about the playing crap and winning but in the long term playing crap will not work. We aint improving and the team is as disjointed as ever.
 
We may have won 3 on the spin but we were poor against Posh, lucky against Bristol City and diabolical against Plymouth.

Absolutely NOTHING has happened to alter my opinion on Blackwell, we have just been lucky, (for a change) that a bit of luck has gone our way and we have picked up 3 wins. In reality we should have drawn all 3 of the last games and had that been the case I am sure something would have happened with Blackwell, (or about to happen).

The clearest example of something being drastically wrong at BDTBL with Blackwell and his tactics, (I use the term loosely!) is Billy Sharp. Billy is playing FOOTBALL at Donny and he’s scored 6 in 7. Just imagine Billy & Ched up front for us but playing FOOTBALL instead……………………….! And what does our illustrious leader do? Sign Richard Cresswell………..nuff said!

Having said the above though it’s a results game and it says in the papers WWW for the last 3 games.
 
I find it funny that fans think they have a better view of players fitness and injuries than the manager! Dave ward sounds like he could be the answer tho!
 
I want to say well done the the 11 players and subs on saturday but only them. I will await the "why the anti blackwell post" replies after this. First of all when i heard the team saturday i wasn't aware of hendo being injured, i must of missed something last week not that, that is anybodys fault but to put in cresswell in as his replacement after weeks out was just unbelievable. Not only that but as a loan striker, when he has played mostly on the left since joining us. We have 3m striker on the bench am guessing he has no faith in. It took him 65 mins to realise this wasn't going to work so brought evans on. What is wrong with putting ward up top?. Also we have so many loan players we can't even name a keeper on the bench which very nearly back fired. I listened to his interview after the game and he played the poor performance on the weather, something that is the same for both sides but called it a professional performance. I thought we really got out of jail saturday and were out played by the worst side in the league, i wish that blackwell had filled in my lottery numbers. So for that i think the lads did well saturday to get the 3 points because i must have been difficult. Read this looks like it was to quick for cresswell, i think he is a crock and wouldn't be buying him.
http://www.sufc.co.uk/page/Gaffersnotes/0,,10418~1896753,00.html


What on earth are you talking about David!? King Kevin's Red and White Wizards march on with a 3rd victory in a row! Master tactician Blackwell out foxes Plymouth and we bounce up the table. Only 3 points off the play offs now! The mighty Blades steamroller another team.

So we're 4 games undefeated. I have to give credit to the players, they have really battled hard to turn things around. They worked hard against Barnsley and even though lacking confidence have somehow grinded out 3 wins in a row. I guess KB needs some credit for gets us to win ugly again. I still remain completely and utterly unconvinced that Blackwell is the righ man for the job, but credit where it is due, since we have had a fully fit squad results have improved.

I do however feel that Lady Luck has been on our side. We got completely dicked against Barnsley and i it had of been any other team (bar Wed, Leeds or West Ham) I would have be embaressed to take a point. We unconvingly beat bottom of the league at home (relying on a penalty save) and yesterday unconvingly beat another very poor team. It sounds we fluked a late winner in a truly awful contest. This sandwiched a poor performance at Bristol where Hendersons brilliance (and some sloppy errors by City) got us out of jail. So now we come to some more sterns tests, starting with Forrest tomorrow night. Our confidence should have improved taking 10 points form the last 12 and although Forrest are flying high, we would expect to be beating teams like them at home.

I am intruiged to see how we do in the run up to January playing some stronger teams such as Forrest, QPR and Leicester. We are not convincing, but we are winning. It pains me to say it, but I give credit to Blackwell for this. I am not getting carried away though.
 
"The clearest example of something being drastically wrong at BDTBL with Blackwell and his tactics, (I use the term loosely!) is Billy Sharp. Billy is playing FOOTBALL at Donny and he’s scored 6 in 7."

It's a tempting argument - until you look at the league table.

United: Goals for 30 Goals against 30 Points 27
Donny: Goals for 25 Goals against 26 Points 21

I don't much like what's being served up at BDTBL right now, but there's more than one way to skin a rabbit.

Perhaps after tomorrow night it will be clearer whether we are making progress, or just treading water.
 
Says it all for me regarding the state of our squad and the number of loans we have we we have to name 4 left backs on the bench for the game. :(

But it's another 3 points, well done lads kept going 'til the end.

Fingers crossed for Tuesday.
 
The MRI scan he is referring to is for Hendo not Cresswell.

Cresswell has previously played down the middle with other clubs so him starting wasn't a surpise tome. Is Evans a targetman to play in a 4-5-1 at the moment in view of his indifferent for ? I suspect he'll start on Tuesday thou if Camera isn't fit.

Agree re having a sub keeper and certainly surprised Bennett isn't back yet.

Davies,Kallio,Treacy,Cresswell,Bunn,Ikeme are allloans thet expire in the next month I think.

Blackwell may say one thing to the press and something else to the players(it took years for Wenger to critisise his team in public) but after the games we have had this season where we have been unlucky(Newcastle,Cardiff ,Donny spring to mind),playing crap and winning is fine by me.:D
Well my mistake then with the MRI scan it just sounded like hendo had a thigh strain, then the article starts to talk about creswell then this MRI scan was mentioned. Cressy being out for 8 weeks and then thrown in at the weekend was a surprise to me surely not fit especially to play upon his own.
 
"The clearest example of something being drastically wrong at BDTBL with Blackwell and his tactics, (I use the term loosely!) is Billy Sharp. Billy is playing FOOTBALL at Donny and he’s scored 6 in 7."

It's a tempting argument - until you look at the league table.

United: Goals for 30 Goals against 30 Points 27
Donny: Goals for 25 Goals against 26 Points 21

I don't much like what's being served up at BDTBL right now, but there's more than one way to skin a rabbit.

Perhaps after tomorrow night it will be clearer whether we are making progress, or just treading water.

Can we just clear up once and for all please that Donny are not in any way, shape or form under-achieveing at the moment?

It is possible to succeed and play attractive football and it should be easier with our budget. Success for Donny, in my opinion, is staying in CCC and they have a great chance of doing that again.
 
playing crap and winning is fine by me.:D

Not for me, call me hard to please but the least I expect when parting with £20-£30 for a ticket is to be provided with at least some entertainment.

We are so scared of losing it is proving to be a detriment to any sort of footballing skill.
 
This has got to be the most boring thread i've read in a long time.

Evans wasn't played up front because the tactics were that we would have a target man to aim the ball at and the wingers would join in the attack when the ball i held up. Henderson can do this, Cresswell can do this. Evans Can't & Ward certainly can't.

The formation was basicallly 4.5.1 then when attacking it could be classed as 4.3.3.

If the pitch was like a carpet then maybe he would have played Evans & Ward up front and tried threading the ball through but the pitch was disgraceful and so (for once) had to play high balls.

I can totally undertand Cresswell playing. What i can't understand is people saying they would rather play well and lose than play poor and win.. That's nonsense! How many times do Man Utd have to "win ugly"? Are they a poor team when they play ugly? No, they're adapting to their surroundings. End of the day 3 pts are by far more important than a good performance.

Wembley last season. If we only had 1 shot and 30% possession but won 1-0 would you be happy or sad?

I'd be over the moon. As winning is more important.
 



This has got to be the most boring thread i've read in a long time.

Evans wasn't played up front because the tactics were that we would have a target man to aim the ball at and the wingers would join in the attack when the ball i held up. Henderson can do this, Cresswell can do this. Evans Can't & Ward certainly can't.

The formation was basicallly 4.5.1 then when attacking it could be classed as 4.3.3.

If the pitch was like a carpet then maybe he would have played Evans & Ward up front and tried threading the ball through but the pitch was disgraceful and so (for once) had to play high balls.

I can totally undertand Cresswell playing. What i can't understand is people saying they would rather play well and lose than play poor and win.. That's nonsense! How many times do Man Utd have to "win ugly"? Are they a poor team when they play ugly? No, they're adapting to their surroundings. End of the day 3 pts are by far more important than a good performance.

Wembley last season. If we only had 1 shot and 30% possession but won 1-0 would you be happy or sad?

I'd be over the moon. As winning is more important.
The point made on playing cresswell was that he had been out for the previous 8 weeks and was thrown in at the deep end. it looked like a ready made excuse to me, if we had lost it would have been "cresswell played having been out for 8 weeks and had hardly trained". This clearly did not work and it took 65 mins to realise this. I have no problem with winning ugly but not every week because soon we are in for a hammering if it continues.
P.S Man Utd don't win ugly every week probably 1 in 10, which i'd accept if we were champions.
 
The point made on playing cresswell was that he had been out for the previous 8 weeks and was thrown in at the deep end it looked like a ready made excuse to me, if we had lost it would have been "cresswell played having been out for 8 weeks and had hardly trained". This clearly did not work and it took 65 mins to realise this. I have no problem with winning ugly but not every week because soon we are in for a hammering if it continues.

'a ready made excuse'

Jesus christ, where did you dream that up from?
 
'a ready made excuse'

Jesus christ, where did you dream that up from?
Kevin Blackwell has a ready made excuse every week i'll tell you. He is the excuse king.
I love kevin blackwell he is my hero. To answer your question, i dreamt that up around 2am.
 
Kevin Blackwell has a ready made excuse every week i'll tell you. He is the excuse king.
I love kevin blackwell he is my hero. To answer your question, i dreamt that up around 2am.

It just sounded like that you thought that Blackwell played Cresswell just in case we lost so could blame the defeat on that.

Please tell me i'm wrong?
 
P.S Man Utd don't win ugly every week probably 1 in 10, which i'd accept if we were champions.

Didn't say every week.

So if we play like we played against Plymouth for the rest of the season and go up in 2nd place, would you be pissed off?

Yes, i'd rather play nice attractive football but winning outways the performance by far. WBA wouldn't have got relegated last season if they knew how to play ugly. Just shows that passing the ball around for 90 minutes doesn't always work. Someone like Sheffield United will eventually come along and make a smash & grab in the last minute.
 
Didn't say every week.

So if we play like we played against Plymouth for the rest of the season and go up in 2nd place, would you be pissed off?

Yes, i'd rather play nice attractive football but winning outways the performance by far. WBA wouldn't have got relegated last season if they knew how to play ugly. Just shows that passing the ball around for 90 minutes doesn't always work. Someone like Sheffield United will eventually come along and make a smash & grab in the last minute.

Anyone would think we are in the hunt for automatic listening to you Matt. We aren't going to go up with Blackwell in charge and we aint winning many games playing the way we do - certainly against the better teams in the division and given our relatively huge resources. Our results against the top sides in the last 15 months or so have been laughable other than a little blip when we beat Birmingham and Reading, although everyone was beating the latter.

I'd also swap positions with WBA anyday of the week. You have to get promoted forst before you encounter the problems they ahd that you refer to.
 
Yes, i'd rather play nice attractive football but winning outways the performance by far.

Not at this stage of the season.

A lucky win gets us three points.

A good performance shows we can get many more throughout the rest of the season.
 
This has got to be the most boring thread i've read in a long time.

Evans wasn't played up front because the tactics were that we would have a target man to aim the ball at and the wingers would join in the attack when the ball i held up. Henderson can do this, Cresswell can do this. Evans Can't & Ward certainly can't.

The formation was basicallly 4.5.1 then when attacking it could be classed as 4.3.3.

If the pitch was like a carpet then maybe he would have played Evans & Ward up front and tried threading the ball through but the pitch was disgraceful and so (for once) had to play high balls.

I can totally undertand Cresswell playing. What i can't understand is people saying they would rather play well and lose than play poor and win.. That's nonsense! How many times do Man Utd have to "win ugly"? Are they a poor team when they play ugly? No, they're adapting to their surroundings. End of the day 3 pts are by far more important than a good performance.

Wembley last season. If we only had 1 shot and 30% possession but won 1-0 would you be happy or sad?

I'd be over the moon. As winning is more important.

well said matt. christ knows what the original poster is banging on about. hopefully he has a "ready made excuse" for spouting such shite on here :thumbup:
 
i really don't recall many teams getting out of this division by playing poorly, looking erratic but winning around 1 in three games. It doesn't make sense to compare to Man Utd who on the whole play most opponents off the park week in week out but get lucky in a handful of games a season. Yes if it came down to a one-off game like in May I'd be more than happy if Burnley had 375 shots on target and we scored in the last minute with a goal off the referee's penis, I'd even be happy seeing us play poorly but win for a period like we've seen over the last month - it should start to build some confidence.

People generally only talk about playing well above results when there's no real belief that a team will be successful. I'm worried that already the club may have given up on promotion being a realistic proposition this year aside from a fluke. If that's the case then I'd say yes we should concentrate on rebuilding properly and playing a better quality of football. What disappoints so many and leads to more and more suggestions like this is a situation where we've played well and won only a handful of times in such a long time. The longer we go without playing well the more people will start to feel I'd rather be watching entertaining football. After matches this year it's been noticably a lot less fun sitting in the pub trying to discuss what has been witnessed than it should be. It's not just the result that matters and whilst I'm semi-erect at the very prospect of us getting promoted playing in any way possible I'm starting to also feel footbally stunted with the way we've been playing...

Have you never wondered why when your playing FIFA or PES with your non-blade mates you automatically feel like a 5 year old, watching them string together great moves whilst all you can do is pass it to the keeper from the kickoff and then launch it up to big Crouchy :-) Or why when you're playing football manager as manager of Real Madrid you sign Richard Cresswell cos you know his sort and should be able to ease him in :-)

Also I think it's rather rude to start off your post by stating how boring a thread is. When I post I always feel a little bit like I would entering someones house, they've been good enough to let me me in, I wouldn't just walk in and say I'm bored by it or your kitchen's shit. :-) I get the impression what Dave was suggesting is not why didn't we play long ball but with Evans up top but more why bring in a player that has been out for two months and expect him to be able to do that role very well... I must admit to not going to Plymouth however from the radio I'd say the tactics didn't seem to work well at all and we struggled to create much until after cresswell had beeen taken off.. Perhaps we'd have been better playing a different way, surely that's worthy of dicussion?

I was pretty happy against Bristol to see what we could do with Evans and Camara playing together, I thought more than anything we did ok because Bristol weren't prepared for us playing like we did. On the whole this was one of a few games in the last year that we've not just kicked it up to a big man and it's becoming totally predictable. No manager in the league can be surprised to see us turn up and play a 4-5-1 how you describe and it's simple to defend against after watching us a little bit. It worked really well early doors but towards the back end of last season and most of this it's been too easy for teams to nullify our wide men and then laugh at the threat of the big man and non-existant attacks from midfield.
 
well said matt. christ knows what the original poster is banging on about. hopefully he has a "ready made excuse" for spouting such shite on here :thumbup:

I thought he explained his point pretty well. I definitely don't think it was shite.
 
i really don't recall many teams getting out of this division by playing poorly, looking erratic but winning around 1 in three games. It doesn't make sense to compare to Man Utd who on the whole play most opponents off the park week in week out but get lucky in a handful of games a season. Yes if it came down to a one-off game like in May I'd be more than happy if Burnley had 375 shots on target and we scored in the last minute with a goal off the referee's penis, I'd even be happy seeing us play poorly but win for a period like we've seen over the last month - it should start to build some confidence.

People generally only talk about playing well above results when there's no real belief that a team will be successful. I'm worried that already the club may have given up on promotion being a realistic proposition this year aside from a fluke. If that's the case then I'd say yes we should concentrate on rebuilding properly and playing a better quality of football. What disappoints so many and leads to more and more suggestions like this is a situation where we've played well and won only a handful of times in such a long time. The longer we go without playing well the more people will start to feel I'd rather be watching entertaining football. After matches this year it's been noticably a lot less fun sitting in the pub trying to discuss what has been witnessed than it should be. It's not just the result that matters and whilst I'm semi-erect at the very prospect of us getting promoted playing in any way possible I'm starting to also feel footbally stunted with the way we've been playing.

Well put!

:thumbup:
 
It just sounded like that you thought that Blackwell played Cresswell just in case we lost so could blame the defeat on that.

Please tell me i'm wrong?
no i was being sarcastic. I was originally getting at my surprise at cresswell being picked as a loan striker after 8 weeks out.
 
i really don't recall many teams getting out of this division by playing poorly, looking erratic but winning around 1 in three games. It doesn't make sense to compare to Man Utd who on the whole play most opponents off the park week in week out but get lucky in a handful of games a season. Yes if it came down to a one-off game like in May I'd be more than happy if Burnley had 375 shots on target and we scored in the last minute with a goal off the referee's penis, I'd even be happy seeing us play poorly but win for a period like we've seen over the last month - it should start to build some confidence.

People generally only talk about playing well above results when there's no real belief that a team will be successful. I'm worried that already the club may have given up on promotion being a realistic proposition this year aside from a fluke. If that's the case then I'd say yes we should concentrate on rebuilding properly and playing a better quality of football. What disappoints so many and leads to more and more suggestions like this is a situation where we've played well and won only a handful of times in such a long time. The longer we go without playing well the more people will start to feel I'd rather be watching entertaining football. After matches this year it's been noticably a lot less fun sitting in the pub trying to discuss what has been witnessed than it should be. It's not just the result that matters and whilst I'm semi-erect at the very prospect of us getting promoted playing in any way possible I'm starting to also feel footbally stunted with the way we've been playing...

Have you never wondered why when your playing FIFA or PES with your non-blade mates you automatically feel like a 5 year old, watching them string together great moves whilst all you can do is pass it to the keeper from the kickoff and then launch it up to big Crouchy :-) Or why when you're playing football manager as manager of Real Madrid you sign Richard Cresswell cos you know his sort and should be able to ease him in :-)

Also I think it's rather rude to start off your post by stating how boring a thread is. When I post I always feel a little bit like I would entering someones house, they've been good enough to let me me in, I wouldn't just walk in and say I'm bored by it or your kitchen's shit. :-) I get the impression what Dave was suggesting is not why didn't we play long ball but with Evans up top but more why bring in a player that has been out for two months and expect him to be able to do that role very well... I must admit to not going to Plymouth however from the radio I'd say the tactics didn't seem to work well at all and we struggled to create much until after cresswell had beeen taken off.. Perhaps we'd have been better playing a different way, surely that's worthy of dicussion?

I was pretty happy against Bristol to see what we could do with Evans and Camara playing together, I thought more than anything we did ok because Bristol weren't prepared for us playing like we did. On the whole this was one of a few games in the last year that we've not just kicked it up to a big man and it's becoming totally predictable. No manager in the league can be surprised to see us turn up and play a 4-5-1 how you describe and it's simple to defend against after watching us a little bit. It worked really well early doors but towards the back end of last season and most of this it's been too easy for teams to nullify our wide men and then laugh at the threat of the big man and non-existant attacks from midfield.
yes exactly what i was getting at thanks for that
 



well said matt. christ knows what the original poster is banging on about. hopefully he has a "ready made excuse" for spouting such shite on here :thumbup:
I am banging on about united playing shite again on saturday, i blame the manager for this because his tactics are crap and only has one way to play football, thats why cresswell played saturday and not evans. The players deserve credit for getting 9 points out of 9 not him. We got out of jail saturday, as we did last saturday and the previously saturday, this can not continue. Can you say you are happy with this season so far? Please name me ONE game this season that we have played WELL for a full 90 mins, we are in December now and haven't put i a performance to please the fans. Why is this the case its not because we have bad players i can tell you that.
 

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