“Proper club”

[Ecco1889]

We don't have goal music and those clapper things that Huddersfield and Leicester love

 

[Harrisblade]

It’s a typical close season, slow news time. So please indulge me on this one. All through last season and after our end of season triumph. I’ve heard us being constantly referred to a “proper club” by media types and pundits alike. Not really made my mind up to whether it’s a compliment and disguised dig at us? When the media were busy blowing smoke up Bielsa’s arse and waxing lyrical about massive club Leeds, our segway into the conversation was all about our “hard working, fantastic achievement, unique approach, team ethic and being a proper club?
So what do they mean by “Proper club” and do we think it means?

It means we're not a team filled with mercenary, pimped around pretentious, prima donnas.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Shhh..... Don’t tell him about the allez allez

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

I hate the phrase, "proper club".

Always comes across as arrogant and condescending.

When you push people for clarification on it you soon find that all it actually means is, "any club that isn't MK Dons".

Football fans love their club wherever you go. We're not special. We're no better than Reading fans or Port Vale fans or any other club you care to mention.

 

[Tom Bott]

I thought it was a 'scream'

With Munch love.

 

[HighfieldBlade]

Proper club=We've not moved to a Lego stadium next to a dual carriageway.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

We have had 3 years of compliments by the media & pundits and for those of faint nature that are scrutinising these I should laud them up as now we’re back in the ‘big league’ they will become a lot less abundant as we we won’t be the darlings of the media .

 

[super_pig]

This afternoon I drove up Blackstock Road for the first time since the season ended. There's a Co-Op across from the lights and some brain dead loser has graffitied ' SUFC Sponsored by Bin Laden, Scum. ' across the wall facing you as you wait at the lights.

what? they can write in Gleadless now? who allowed this .. signed concerned formerly of this parish.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Know what you're saying but our (rare) compliments have been chiselled out by hard work, little money and having a damn good manager. FLDC get more plaudits simply because of who they've got as manager. Leeds because...they always have and because the self-styled 'cognescenti' are dying to be proved that the claims of Bielsa as a football genius are right.

He's not.

I disagree, he watches hundreds of games and is a little eccentric.

Look at his honours list, he's won games of football.

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

With Munch love.

Maybe it's my persistence of memory but I can never recall Dali being conflated with Munch.

 

[grafikhaus]

I disagree, he watches hundreds of games and is a little eccentric.

Look at his honours list, he's won games of football.

I watch hundreds of games and 'eccentric' doesn't begin to describe me!

Bielsa has a Win% of 44.73 - and that includes managing some very good teams (I think the 61.76 Win% over 68 games with the Argentine national team might have bumped his % up):



Wilderiola's Win% is a very similar 44.6. Lower divisions? Some of Bielsa's clubs have been virtual unknowns. A very poor Win% at Athletic Bilbao.



'Bucket for Wilder!'

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

I watch hundreds of games and 'eccentric' doesn't begin to describe me!

Bielsa has a Win% of 44.73 - and that includes managing some very good teams (I think the 61.76 Win% over 68 games with the Argentine national team might have bumped his % up):

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Wilderiola's Win% is a very similar 44.6. Lower divisions? Some of Bielsa's clubs have been virtual unknowns. A very poor Win% at Athletic Bilbao.

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'Bucket for Wilder!'

Your stats back up my claims.

Didn't you know Guardiola says he's the best coach too?

BTW I'm wumming, I've no fekkin idea where this 'genius' tag comes from, I've achieved the same in football as he has, fuckall.

 

[grafikhaus]

Your stats back up my claims.

Didn't you know Guardiola says he's the best coach too?

BTW I'm wumming, I've no fekkin idea where this 'genius' tag comes from, I've achieved the same in football as he has, fuckall.

You certainly Wummed me. Bastard!

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

You certainly Wummed me. Bastard!

Btw, he left Lille winning 5 of 19 matches last season......

This season they've just finished 2nd.

 

[Booker4]

Proper clubs are clubs that have a loyal fan base of working-class fans who support their team through thick and thin. Doesn't relate to the likes of Reading, Fulham and Watford in my view. Burnley, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Blades, Wolves and many more are examples of proper clubs in my humble view.

 

[guancheblade]

It’s a typical close season, slow news time. So please indulge me on this one. All through last season and after our end of season triumph. I’ve heard us being constantly referred to a “proper club” by media types and pundits alike. Not really made my mind up to whether it’s a compliment and disguised dig at us? When the media were busy blowing smoke up Bielsa’s arse and waxing lyrical about massive club Leeds, our segway into the conversation was all about our “hard working, fantastic achievement, unique approach, team ethic and being a proper club?
So what do they mean by “Proper club” and do we think it means?

I see it as basically applying to any club they played against in their playing days. The likes of Bournemouth, Brighton, Huddersfield, Fulham, Cardiff, Swansea, et al aren't proper clubs because nobody had even heard of them before the 21st century.

 

[Wooden Seats]

A "proper club" wouldn't be on the front of papers for the reasons we have been lately

 

[BushBlade]

I see it as basically applying to any club they played against in their playing days. The likes of Bournemouth, Brighton, Huddersfield, Fulham, Cardiff, Swansea, et al aren't proper clubs because nobody had even heard of them before the 21st century.

That’s because of a lack of interest in history. Huddersfield were quite successful under some bloke called Chapman, think he may have been a Blade.
Just before that Cardiff lost an FA Cup final to some little team from South Yorkshire (or West Riding of Yorkshire, as it was in those days).

I was surprised to learn that Jonny Haynes wasn’t the bloke who did car repair manuals and that Smith didn’t score. Unlike Toshack, who was a pretty decent striker and did a bit of management.

I hope the pigs are reading this. Your history means fuck all.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

A "proper club" wouldn't be on the front of papers for the reasons we have been lately

I agree,that’s why your team isn’t classed as a proper club,selling the ground to get around financial rules,a proper club doesn’t need to do that.

 

[BushBlade]

A "proper club" wouldn't be on the front of papers for the reasons we have been lately

 

[grafikhaus]

Btw, he left Lille winning 5 of 19 matches last season......

This season they've just finished 2nd.

Ah, but facts don't count - it's all about illusion of the manager:

So Lampard 'got' Derby to the 2018-19 play-offs (and failed).
So did Gary Rowett in 2017-18 (failed again).
So did Paul Clement and Darren Wassall in 2015-16. Play-offs. Failed.
So did Nigel Clough, Darren Wassall and Schteeve McClaren (for the first time) in 2013-14. Play-offs. Failed.

So what makes Lampard and Bielsa stand out from this list of managerial titans? Image, nowt else.

 

[BushBlade]

Ah, but facts don't count - it's all about illusion of the manager:

So Lampard 'got' Derby to the 2018-19 play-offs (and failed).
So did Gary Rowett in 2017-18 (failed again).
So did Paul Clement and Darren Wassall in 2015-16. Play-offs. Failed.
So did Nigel Clough, Darren Wassall and Schteeve McClaren (for the first time) in 2013-14. Play-offs. Failed.

So what makes Lampard and Bielsa stand out from this list of managerial titans? Image, nowt else.

Maybe this;

Argentina
Summer Olympics Tournament Gold Medal: 2004[11]
CONMEBOL Pre-Olympic Tournament: 2004
Copa América Runner-up: 2004[9]

Newell's Old Boys
Primera División Argentina: 1991 Apertura, 1992 Clausura[4]
Copa Libertadores: Runner-up 1992[4]

Vélez Sarsfield
Primera División Argentina: 1998 Clausura[6]

Athletic Bilbao
UEFA Europa League: Runner-up 2011–12[28]
Copa del Rey: Runner-up 2011–12[30]

I think most people, Pep excepted, consider Bielsa to be one of the most influential coaches, rather than one of the greatest managers.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Maybe this;

Argentina
Summer Olympics Tournament Gold Medal: 2004[11]
CONMEBOL Pre-Olympic Tournament: 2004
Copa América Runner-up: 2004[9]

Newell's Old Boys
Primera División Argentina: 1991 Apertura, 1992 Clausura[4]
Copa Libertadores: Runner-up 1992[4]

Vélez Sarsfield
Primera División Argentina: 1998 Clausura[6]

Athletic Bilbao
UEFA Europa League: Runner-up 2011–12[28]
Copa del Rey: Runner-up 2011–12[30]

I think most people, Pep excepted, consider Bielsa to be one of the most influential coaches, rather than one of the greatest managers.

The Argentinian leagues show he's good for half a season. Had the EFL had Apertura's and Clausura's, he'd have another title here.

There are hundreds of managers that have comparable CVs, but for some reason Bielsa is lauded as next level. I've still no idea why.

 

[BushBlade]

The Argentinian leagues show he's good for half a season. Had the EFL had Apertura's and Clausura's, he'd have another title here.

There are hundreds of managers that have comparable CVs, but for some reason Bielsa is lauded as next level. I've still no idea why.

Because of his style of play and his innovative tactics and training and because of the number of top managers like Poch, Klopp, Pep, Simeone that cite him as being a huge influence on them.

But, tbh, I’ve got better things to do with my time than defend a Leeds manager.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Poch Klopp Pep and Simeone all admire Bielsa......Bielsa admires Wilder, fact.

 

[bettsyblade86]

Many Sheff Utd fans have a persecution complex, and this forum seems to constantly perpetuate a perceived media bias against us - this is despite our success being lauded by many pundits throughout the media, and Chris Wilder's growing reputation.

The fact that the term "proper club" is being questioned as a potential dig at the club is evidence of the above.

Not everyone loves us, but that applies to every club. Let's just accept the compliments we receive and brush off the occasional unfair criticism.

You seem to talk an awful lot of sense

 

[Chali 2na]

You seem to talk an awful lot of sense

Very kind sir, but I'm actually a raving lunatic

 

[Grecian2000]

I watch hundreds of games and 'eccentric' doesn't begin to describe me!

Bielsa has a Win% of 44.73 - and that includes managing some very good teams (I think the 61.76 Win% over 68 games with the Argentine national team might have bumped his % up):

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Wilderiola's Win% is a very similar 44.6. Lower divisions? Some of Bielsa's clubs have been virtual unknowns. A very poor Win% at Athletic Bilbao.

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'Bucket for Wilder!'

Wow, so Wilder has been at EVERY club he's managed longer than Bielsa has been at ANY team he's managed.
Good statting.

 

[Dnblade]

Proper clubs are clubs that have a loyal fan base of working-class fans who support their team through thick and thin. Doesn't relate to the likes of Reading, Fulham and Watford in my view. Burnley, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Blades, Wolves and many more are examples of proper clubs in my humble view.

Agree with you B4, but you can only be a Proper Club when your players have been made to crowd surf off the coach back into the Ground after clinching Promotion.

 

[GrayBlade]

A "proper club" wouldn't be on the front of papers for the reasons we have been lately

I couldn’t agree more.

Bending the rules to get around FP allegedly this time isn't it? I’d have thought you lot would kid have have learned your lesson what with your history of unpaid debts and reneging on charity commitments.