Captaincy

[DronnieBlade]

Do you want a £25 charity bet next season on which one will score more goals next season from open play/minutes played? I should think that won't be a problem seeing as by all stats that suit you Billy is demonstratively better player?

Let's set it know if you want to put your money where your mouth is. If one leaves close season then whoever championed that one loses.

I'll go for Leon.



So Leon has more goals per minutes played. Not by a big margin. Wah!

Leon has scored far more from open play.

Leon has scored more goals

I'd say more people disagree with you on here than agree with your comments on Clarke.

You've slated Leon from day one. I haven't slated Billy because unlike you I don't have an odd agenda against a United player who's our leading scorer.

I did play, bit old now and I played up front. Spent some time out in the fresh air playing football when I was younger rather than picking the stats that I hope would make my Bad Leon/Poor Billy mentality look less abnormal. Do your mates take the piss when you cock up on FIFA 18?


Now that bet?

I’ll just pick you up on your “bet” offer.

You accuse me of bias. How do you feel that relates to your “whoever leaves the club first loses” ? Particularly unbiased ??

Let’s assume both stay.

Do you think Leon will get more pitch time ? Billy ? Does that seem fair / right ?

I’ll take you up on as many of the following bets, for whatever amount you chose.

The condition being its measured against WHEREVER they ply their trade next season (as I now firmly believe Sharp will go).

1. Goals per minutes ratio. (BBC stats)
2. Open goals per minutes ratio (no pens). (BBC stats)
3. Direct assists ratio (per minutes played). (Club Website stats).
4. Pass completion percentage. (Club Website stats)
5. “Big” chance conversion (as measured by the analytics guys previously used to show who’s best !).
6. Shots on target ratio.(club website stats)
7. Shot conversion percentage. ( club website stats).

Or are any of these irrelevant / meaningless to you ?

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[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Interesting that you quote a defensive lapse as reason to take the captaincy off Leon, but suggest two players who were on the pitch at the time as possible replacements. Would sticking a bit of elastic on Jack's left arm have prevented that goal yesterday?

Consider the reasons why Clarke was given the armband in the first place. He's a commanding figure in the squad, but also a personality that needs to feel the love; what better than the captaincy? As you alluded to earlier, there are leaders all over the pitch - Bash, Stearman and JOC in the back line, Fleck in midfield. An armband shouldn't really make them more/less of a leader figure.

I think if we'd had a captain or defender with instructions to take charge of ensuring that everybody was ready to challenge and concentrate the second Millwall took the kick-off, there would have been a better chance of preventing them scoring. We need to make all possible small improvements to pick up extra points. We put no pressure on them from kick-off to goal. I agree with most of what you say, though.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I’ll just pick you up on your “bet” offer.

You accuse me of bias. How do you feel that relates to your “whoever leaves the club first loses” ? Particularly unbiased ??

Let’s assume both stay.

Do you think Leon will get more pitch time ? Billy ? Does that seem fair / right ?

I’ll take you up on as many of the following bets, for whatever amount you chose.

The condition being its measured against WHEREVER they ply their trade next season (as I now firmly believe Sharp will go).

1. Goals per minutes ratio. (BBC stats)
2. Open goals per minutes ratio (no pens). (BBC stats)
3. Direct assists ratio (per minutes played). (Club Website stats).
4. Pass completion percentage. (Club Website stats)
5. “Big” chance conversion (as measured by the analytics guys previously used to show who’s best !).
6. Shots on target ratio.(club website stats)
7. Shot conversion percentage. ( club website stats).

Or are any of these irrelevant / meaningless to you ?

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Arse twitching over £25 for charity. When you KNOW you're "right" ?

Minutes played/goals scored. You can even have penalties.

You said statistics across the board showed Billy was demonstrably the better player. Surely you aren't backing down now there's some chump change at risk?

So if Sharp leave for L1 that's fair?

Leaving is a risk we both take. You've come out with shite all season about Clarke. Okay, if both still here at the seasons start, goals for United only during the season. Or do you want Billy to have a few goals start?

Goals/ minutes played leaves no room for interpretation. At United only.

Yes or are you going to carry on wanking over stats that suit? It's football, played on a pitch. Not in a bedroom at your mums on a computer.

 

[Sandygate Blade]

Courts was captain when Billy was subbed a few times last season.

No reason that he couldn't be captain when he's fit and back.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Arse twitching over £25 for charity. When you KNOW you're "right" ?

Minutes played/goals scored. You can even have penalties.

You said statistics across the board showed Billy was demonstrably the better player. Surely you aren't backing down now there's some chump change at risk?

So if Sharp leave for L1 that's fair?

Leaving is a risk we both take. You've come out with shite all season about Clarke. Okay, if both still here at the seasons start, goals for United only during the season. Or do you want Billy to have a few goals start?

Goals/ minutes played leaves no room for interpretation. At United only.

Yes or are you going to carry on wanking over stats that suit? It's football, played on a pitch. Not in a bedroom at your mums on a computer.

Which bit of this are you not getting sunshine ?

How much more do I need to emphasise the blind spot that Wilder has for Leon ? And that Billy is DIRECTLY AFFECTED by this ? It’s not a coincidence Clarke has clocked up more than 50% more minutes, that Clarke is Wilders main man, and that he will almost certainly be here next season.

Can you foresee ANY circumstances where the reverse would be the case under a Wilder leadership ?

My 7 pronged offer remains. I will concede if either player leaves and drops a division (say Billy to L1) then this would be unfair. I would request you confirm how you would wish to deal with this scenario ?

Oh and I’m a PES guy and it’s Mummies dining room

Baited breath ............

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PS you should be made aware that my record of winning charity Leon Clarke bets is 100%. Maybe that’s a stat you can get your head round !!

 

[stringer]

I think if we'd had a captain or defender with instructions to take charge of ensuring that everybody was ready to challenge and concentrate the second Millwall took the kick-off, there would have been a better chance of preventing them scoring. We need to make all possible small improvements to pick up extra points. We put no pressure on them from kick-off to goal. I agree with most of what you say, though.

Again, I don't see why being captain would have improved, say, JoC's organisation for their goal. Put another way, it's not only the skipper who lines up a team defensively in open play - I think the importance of the position may be overstated somewhat, at times (not necessarily just by yourself)

 

[LenTednTony]

The title of captain is important when barking out orders. The ‘who the fuck does he think he is’ mind melt doesn’t come into it because every player knows that he thinks he is the captain.......and he is right! For me it’s either Stearman, Couttsy or Fleck and Bash as vice for all of them!

 

[Sean Thornton]

Which bit of this are you not getting sunshine ?

How much more do I need to emphasise the blind spot that Wilder has for Leon ? And that Billy is DIRECTLY AFFECTED by this ? It’s not a coincidence Clarke has clocked up more than 50% more minutes, that Clarke is Wilders main man, and that he will almost certainly be here next season.

Can you foresee ANY circumstances where the reverse would be the case under a Wilder leadership ?

My 7 pronged offer remains. I will concede if either player leaves and drops a division (say Billy to L1) then this would be unfair. I would request you confirm how you would wish to deal with this scenario ?

Oh and I’m a PES guy and it’s Mummies dining room

Baited breath ............

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PS you should be made aware that my record of winning charity Leon Clarke bets is 100%. Maybe that’s a stat you can get your head round !!

Goals by minutes played. Can't you grasp that or are you more interested in Billy putting his jock strap on quicker than Leon 84% of the time?

Anyway, youve bottled it Big Shot. That's okay. We all have a line in the sand, even for charity.

(Demonstrably I have more faith in Leon than you do Billy. That's clear. Oh, you do know Billy's stats are prepared from smaller sample sizes and are therefore less likely to be influenced by other things?)

 

[DronnieBlade]

Goals by minutes played. Can't you grasp that or are you more interested in Billy putting his jock strap on quicker than Leon 84% of the time?

Anyway, youve bottled it Big Shot. That's okay. We all have a line in the sand, even for charity.

(Demonstrably I have more faith in Leon than you do Billy. That's clear. Oh, you do know Billy's stats are prepared from smaller sample sizes and are therefore less likely to be influenced by other things?)

You are trying to distort.

I’d give Leon a 90% chance of being at Utd next season. Billy less than 50%.

If you can accept this, and that the rather daft clause you have inserted stating if either player leaves, he automatically loses, be removed, you are on.

So to be clear, goals per minutes played ratio IN A UTD SHIRT ONLY.

Can you live with that ??

Bluebell Wood OK ??

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Ps Demonstrably, beyond refute, you don’t !

 

[Sean Thornton]

You are trying to distort.

I’d give Leon a 90% chance of being at Utd next season. Billy less than 50%.

If you can accept this, and that the rather daft clause you have inserted stating if either player leaves, he automatically loses, be removed, you are on.

So to be clear, goals per minutes played ratio IN A UTD SHIRT ONLY.

Can you live with that ??

Bluebell Wood OK ??

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Ps Demonstrably, beyond refute, you don’t !

And?


I suggested removing it when you were trembling over £25 and suggesting stats about who spends most time in the shower and other nonsense. Same with " in a United shirt only" It was you who wanted it to relate to other clubs, not me. Distortion you say? Lol.

Did they drop themselves or did you have to have a hot bath to ease them out.

Bluebell Wood, great choice. Same for me.

 

[Blend-it-like-Harris]

Our Billy and our Leon have both confounded the critics and made a laughing stock out of all those cocky Wendy fans who laughed at our strike-force at the beginning of the season who said they wouldn't hack it at Champ level. They'll both do nicely for me thank you very much; I'm not interested in agonising over who's the better player. As for Captain I'd stick with Billy for now.

 

[DronnieBlade]

And?


I suggested removing it when you were trembling over £25 and suggesting stats about who spends most time in the shower and other nonsense. Same with " in a United shirt only" It was you who wanted it to relate to other clubs, not me. Distortion you say? Lol.

Did they drop themselves or did you have to have a hot bath to ease them out.

Bluebell Wood, great choice. Same for me.

Done deal.

And for the record, I have offered you an additional 6 options to validate your view above mine. YOU declined. As is your prerogative

Good luck. Your man will need it

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Trembling

Most time in the shower and other nonsense

Nonsense, in the context of your sentence, being the key word that you use. The emphasis.
Ignorance must be bliss

 

[Sean Thornton]

Our Billy and our Leon have both confounded the critics and made a laughing stock out of all those cocky Wendy fans who laughed at our strike-force at the beginning of the season who said they wouldn't hack it at Champ level. They'll both do nicely for me thank you very much; I'm not interested in agonising over who's the better player. As for Captain I'd stick with Billy for now.

Neither am I. I haven't slated Billy throughout the season. It's just that I think Wilder knows more about who's done better for the team this season than, well, .

 

[Sean Thornton]

Done deal.

And for the record, I have offered you an additional 6 options to validate your view above mine. YOU declined. As is your prerogative

Good luck. Your man will need it

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Trembling

Most time in the shower and other nonsense

Nonsense, in the context of your sentence, being the key word that you use. The emphasis.
Ignorance must be bliss

I actually offered you the bet initially. You wobbled big time and offered alternatives, therefore turning my offer down. Including the possibility of one of them scoring in a league below ( ). I then moved my own goalposts to give you a chance to save a bit of face. After some deliberation you decided to accept.......

That's what the "stats"show.


If Billy wins, that's good, either way Bluebell Wood gains.

You seem to be trying to convince yourself already which is the difference between us. I think I know who will score more, you believe you KNOW who will.

 

[DronnieBlade]

I actually offered you the bet initially. You wobbled big time and offered alternatives, therefore turning my offer down. Including the possibility of one of them scoring in a league below ( ). I then moved my own goalposts to give you a chance to save a bit of face. After some deliberation you decided to accept.......

That's what the "stats"show.


If Billy wins, that's good, either way Bluebell Wood gains.

You seem to be trying to convince yourself already which is the difference between us. I think I know who will score more, you believe you KNOW who will.

The stats, those that are out there, meaningful and produced for a reason suggest otherwise.

Those things that you flippantly dismiss as nonsense.

As I say, good luck.

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[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Again, I don't see why being captain would have improved, say, JoC's organisation for their goal. Put another way, it's not only the skipper who lines up a team defensively in open play - I think the importance of the position may be overstated somewhat, at times (not necessarily just by yourself)

Again, I agree with much of what you say, but I am looking at it from the point of view of making small improvements. It may be that we have a defender nominated to organise the unit, but given some of the problems defending set-pieces (including Millwall's kick-off), there is clearly room for improvement. If Stearman is shouting one thing, and Basham something else, what does JOC do? We assume everything is taken care of, but then anyone who heard the discussion in the dressing-room at half-time during the 5-2 win at Leicester knows that there can be serious loose ends to be tied up...

 

[Sean Thornton]

The stats, those that are out there, meaningful and produced for a reason suggest otherwise.

Those things that you flippantly dismiss as nonsense.

As I say, good luck.

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Good luck to you too, however the Stat about giving away free kicks in dangerous areas is flawed because the players involved have different duties on the pitch. I.e. Clarke marks tall CB's.

That's a fact not arithmetic or long division and there can't be many football stats that can take that into account.

Irrespective of the bet, l'd be happy for twenty odd goals apiece even if Billy got more, because it would mean we would likely be doing well......

 

[DronnieBlade]

Good luck to you too, however the Stat about giving away free kicks in dangerous areas is flawed because the players involved have different duties on the pitch. I.e. Clarke marks tall CB's.

That's a fact not arithmetic or long division and there can't be many football stats that can take that into account.

Irrespective of the bet, l'd be happy for twenty odd goals apiece even if Billy got more, because it would mean we would likely be doing well......

The statistics presented, when considered as a whole, paint a rather interesting, if not universally popular or indeed widely accepted picture. You can tell where I stand on this.

And at least we can agree on your last para

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[wizadry]

All Wilder did was bring leaders into the club when he first came in and he stated at the time that it was a big thing for him and this club to have those leaders here to improve our fortunes, it’s worked brilliantly.

All that’s happening differently this season is we’re playing higher quality players who are a lot fitter, who can punish the slightest lapse in concentration, we got away with this on the rare occasion that it happened last season but we won’t and haven’t got away with it this season so it gets mentioned more frequently.

It’s not leaders who can make a player switched on or make their tired legs run faster, that’s down to the coaches and the player himself to make sure he’s fit both physically and mentally. Tiredness makes all the bad decisions and no leader can change that.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

All Wilder did was bring leaders into the club when he first came in and he stated at the time that it was a big thing for him and this club to have those leaders here to improve our fortunes, it’s worked brilliantly.

All that’s happening differently this season is we’re playing higher quality players who are a lot fitter, who can punish the slightest lapse in concentration, we got away with this on the rare occasion that it happened last season but we won’t and haven’t got away with it this season so it gets mentioned more frequently.

It’s not leaders who can make a player switched on or make their tired legs run faster, that’s down to the coaches and the player himself to make sure he’s fit both physically and mentally. Tiredness makes all the bad decisions and no leader can change that.

Agree with most of that. I still think that someone like Jake Wright last season contributed more than his own defending - other players benefited from his organisational skills, experience and calmness. You are right about tiredness - it may have contributed to Stephens' error, as he'd spent 70 minutes bombing up and down the left wing when he moved into the middle.

 

[DronnieBlade]

I actually offered you the bet initially. You wobbled big time and offered alternatives, therefore turning my offer down. Including the possibility of one of them scoring in a league below ( ). I then moved my own goalposts to give you a chance to save a bit of face. After some deliberation you decided to accept.......

That's what the "stats"show.


If Billy wins, that's good, either way Bluebell Wood gains.

You seem to be trying to convince yourself already which is the difference between us. I think I know who will score more, you believe you KNOW who will.

Att Sean Thornton.

https://www.bluebellwood.org/Appeal/donate

You’re welcome !

Chin up. It’s a good cause . Proof of the £25 donation would be gratefully appreciated.

When you KNOW, well you Know

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[DronnieBlade]

Att Sean Thornton.

https://www.bluebellwood.org/Appeal/donate

You’re welcome !

Chin up. It’s a good cause . Proof of the £25 donation would be gratefully appreciated.

When you KNOW, well you Know

UTB

3rd reminder.

There will not be a 4th.

I won’t take offence to your insults. It’s pointless.

No need for any sort of confirmation. Your word is good enough.

Shame on you if it isn’t.

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[georgebernardshaw]

3rd reminder.

There will not be a 4th.

I won’t take offence to your insults. It’s pointless.

No need for any sort of confirmation. Your word is good enough.

Shame on you if it isn’t.

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Unnecessary cheap shot....behave yourself

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

I think I will start a thread ‘Threads you started and had completely forgotten’. It all worked out well, even if Wilder didn’t take my advice and change captain...

 

[1973Blade]

I think I will start a thread ‘Threads you started and had completely forgotten’. It all worked out well, even if Wilder didn’t take my advice and change captain...

I think I have started a thread like that, but I can't remember.

 

[Silent Blade]

3rd reminder.

There will not be a 4th.

I won’t take offence to your insults. It’s pointless.

No need for any sort of confirmation. Your word is good enough.

Shame on you if it isn’t.

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100th reminder

 

[DronnieBlade]

Unnecessary cheap shot....behave yourself

Wow.

I’m sure the poorly kids agree with you.

Or is that another cheap shot ?

Worlds gone ducking mad.

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[DronnieBlade]

Twitching.

Bottling.

Trembling.















Embarrassing.

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[s4-blade]

Twitching.

Bottling.

Trembling.















Embarrassing.

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Can’t you do this over PM?

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Wow.

I’m sure the poorly kids agree with you.

Or is that another cheap shot ?

Worlds gone ducking mad.

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Why not post on the Bluebell Wood website with your name & shame
Or hire a plane ( & banner)
Maybe even do a 'ward round' & ask the "poorly kids" directly

Or just accept that it's nowt to do with the welfare & wellbeing of children - just a I can piss higher than you exercise
Not sure whether the victor in that particular context is to deemed to have (be ?!?) the larger or smaller prick