2006 spending when last preparing for the Premier League.

[Silent Blade]

Or as quoted from the club? There are some very minutely different fees to what the papers reported them as (eg Hulse’s and Carney’s that were reported as £2.2m and £50k in the press) and the reason is presumably because the club info was different. The fact that it isn’t listed as undisclosed for Beattie and is £4m, on a page from the official website, sure strengthens the idea that it IS £4m.

At a guess, there are elements of the Egan deal that would push the fee above £4m if certain conditions are met, but the differing accounts of the fee serve both the club and Wilder’s interests from when they’ve mentioned it: club last summer (“we’ve broken the club fee, look at this ambition”) vs Wilder (“we haven’t actually paid £4m, look at the value we got”)

Probably.

In the 1970s I used to memorise the transfer fees that were quoted in the papers and I thought that they were accurate but since what I was told about the fee we paid for Peter Anderson I then realised that the fees quoted in the papers were mainly guesswork so nowadays I dont take much notice of the fees. Nowadays wages are much higher than the fees as we can see when they are published after the end of the season

 

[I should coco]

Just to clear a point it's Sean smoking a cigar not his cat, that would be bloody stupid.

But would a specialist cigar smoking cat count more in the attendance?

You can't open up these cans of worms and leave us dangling like dangly things.

 

[bromtom]

Last season's wages were 20 million.which was double the year before, this year's will be higher again.and next season's will probably be at least double that

This season just gone, the wages were over £20m, our first season in the Champ they were £19m, our last season in league one they were £10m.

Don't think Wilder has actually said what his budget is directly, on Goals on Sunday or Football Focus or sommat, he said between Cardiff and Fulham, so that would be a range of £30m to £100m.

Just another post to say we're tight and shite if you ask me.

 

[grafikhaus]

Yes Houso my inflation rate considerably understates the miracle Wilder is working. Very big and good point you make.

Maybe the football inflation figure is x3, maybe x4, maybe x 8 in the Premier League. Look at Burnley's wages, that modest small town club ( and what a job Dyche has done there).

Thanks to Houso I can put more realistic Football Inflation figures to add to my O.P.

Transfer fee inflation since 2006 is 750%.

Premier League wages rose 1,500% in 20 years. That's the best guide I could find in a short time.

Wow!

FWIW, here's a table in today's papers:



So West Sham have 'earned' over a £1bn (helps though when you're gifted a stadium for practically nowt, and have cheated your time in the PL in the first place). Palace aren't far behind, are utter under-achievers given the players they've got and will realise that getting rid of Woy would have been a wise move, while the good times roll.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

You know you have landed when your daily drive is a Bentley.

 

[Davalon]

Davis was a calamity . £3 mill wasted.

If he'd started against Wigan we wouldn't have been relegated imho

 

[Niceguyeddie]

This season just gone, the wages were over £20m, our first season in the Champ they were £19m, our last season in league one they were £10m.

Don't think Wilder has actually said what his budget is directly, on Goals on Sunday or Football Focus or sommat, he said between Cardiff and Fulham, so that would be a range of £30m to £100m.

Just another post to say we're tight and shite if you ask me.

I think you've basically just repeated what I've said so I'm not sure if you're saying that my post is saying we are tight and shite but that wasn't my intention

 

[bromtom]

I think you've basically just repeated what I've said so I'm not sure if you're saying that my post is saying we are tight and shite but that wasn't my intention

No the OP is saying we're tight. Maybe our wages were £6m when Adkins or Clough was here, but they were £10m when we got promoted because we spent money.

It's all bollocks anyway because football in 2006 was still sensible.

£2.2 for Hulse might look like we were unwilling to spend but he was a good buy, and had he not broken his leg it might've been different.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

No the OP is saying we're tight. Maybe our wages were £6m when Adkins or Clough was here, but they were £10m when we got promoted because we spent money.

It's all bollocks anyway because football in 2006 was still sensible.

£2.2 for Hulse might look like we were unwilling to spend but he was a good buy, and had he not broken his leg it might've been different.

We spent ok fee wise but weren't willing to pay the wages ,jagiwlka was our highest earner on 13 k a week
Its hard to attract the kind of quality we needed for those wages

 

[8lade]

ll be honest, I still don’t understand the Egan fee. It’s one thing to say the press got the amount wrong, but we specifically highlighted through the club’s media that this was a club record signing, i.e more than the £4m Beattie fee

Apparently it was just so we could upset Wednesday fans by boasting we spent money when we didn't. (Personally reckon with promotion we'll have coughed up most of the fee already, there may be another payment due after 80 appearances or something daft but I'll wager we give them the whole fee).

 

[mattbianco1]

Transfers fees for United signings that year:

Leigeterwod £600k
Davis £3m
Hulse £2.2m rising to > £3m.
Kazim-Richds £150k
Kilgallon £1.75 > £2m.
Stead £750k>£1.25m
Shelton £2m
Fathy £700k

Total £12.7m


Inflation added value of £ since then - £1.42
Expenditure in today's money value £18m

Added to that figure would be the extra salaries of course. I do not know what the salary figure was for the 2006/7 season ( Sean?) but I do remember the 2007/8 salary figure was £23m for Robson/ Blackwell ( today's money inflation added value - £1.38 = £31.7m).

There seems to be a general impression on here that Wilder's budget is £20m.

The latest recent salary figure I recall is £11.5m and must have been for the 2017/18 season and it could have been all staff. ( may even have been last season but Accounts not out yet). In 2016 I reckon player salaries were around £6m ( Sean?).
.
Last season we profited by about £8m from transfer fees.

I think there are discussion points starting with the miracle Wilder has performed and the size of his challenge next season.

Footnote: Burnley, as an example , spent £38.7m on transfer fees last season and their wage budget was £81.6m. They were in a relegation fight for most of the season.

I would say your inflation is WAAAY off. Rob Hulse in today's money would be £12m+ that would then be most of the budget gone.

 

[Woodwardfan]

I would say your inflation is WAAAY off. Rob Hulse in today's money would be £12m+ that would then be most of the budget gone.

Spot on. Houso pointed that out and I revised it to 750% which is football inflation as compared to general inflation. ( mentioned above on page 1 somewhere).

 

[Woodwardfan]

I would say your inflation is WAAAY off. Rob Hulse in today's money would be £12m+ that would then be most of the budget gone.

And Davis would have come in at £21m.

 

[S64 Blade]

Working out inflation to derive transfer budgets is all well and good, but you're ignoring the fact that clubs receive more than double what they did in 2006. Player wages are likely to have more than outstripped inflation too.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Working out inflation to derive transfer budgets is all well and good, but you're ignoring the fact that clubs receive more than double what they did in 2006. Player wages are likely to have more than outstripped inflation too.

The theme of this O.P. was reflection on the miracles Wilder has been working and looking forward how harder it gets for him if our budget is not adequate. Underlying that as always I like to set the scene to get fans ready for a tough season in the hope we all, as fans, get right behind the manager throughout the season, even if we are relegated.

The numbers I provided in the O.P., and understated by 700%, were intended to show we may be making all the same mistakes again. I have concern that the owners' dispute and their divisions on how the club should be run are getting in the way of serious investment at this vital period of the football calendar. If the budget is anywhere near the supposed £20m we'll struggle to make serious improvements to our squad which thankfully is much better than the 2006 promotion squad.

The budget needs to be at more than twice that and readily available right now, not in August.

In 2006 we baulked at the £6m asking price for Nugent, then Hulse broke his leg and we missed staying up on the last day. We spent the equivalent of £90m allowing for football inflation, the point you make.

As regards player wages the statistic I read shows they have gone up 1,500% in 20 years. Today's news is that Newcastle could have been sold for £350m, crazy.

 

[Tony]

FWIW, here's a table in today's papers:

View attachment 54323

So West Sham have 'earned' over a £1bn (helps though when you're gifted a stadium for practically nowt, and have cheated your time in the PL in the first place). Palace aren't far behind, are utter under-achievers given the players they've got and will realise that getting rid of Woy would have been a wise move, while the good times roll.

Distressing to see how much our more MASSIVE neighbours didn't get by losing to Hull. No problem, Tunaboy, the stadium owner and DTaxis will will bankroll them.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Wilder was interviewed 2 weeks and he said.

1: He does NOT know his transfer budget because he’s not yet spoken to McCabe or the Prince about it (he might know it now though).
2: However he “expects it to be in the same ball park as the figure Norwich have recently made public”
It had just been reported at the time that Norwich would be spending 20 million, so that’s the figure CW expects and seemed happy with.
However as nothing is confirmed he could receive less or more than what he expects.

3: Based on what he thinks the budget might be, he confirmed that he’s already drawn up a list of realistic targets and given it to the club.

 

[Tom Bott]

Burnley, as an example , their wage budget was £81.6m.

Wages don't count to most as they are not an impressive headline figure.
Though if your wage bill hits £ 80 million and you have £100 million from Sky the amount available for transfers is less than some would like to think.