Ched Evans - What Next ?

[Palace Blade]

£3m??? why do people keep saying 3m??? its 1.5m up front the rest is add ons like appearances goals, promotion I think!!

 

[Micalijo]

The Man City fans I live near, work with and play sport with are all the same.

I do think that our way of playing is a problem for most strikers - if your main skill is beating players in the box and shooting that's not something that happens too much in United's game. That isn't distinct to Blackwell - it was the same under Warnock.

Most of the game is spent either without the ball chasing and harrying defenders / midfielders, without the ball with your back to goal trying to get it under control at head or chest height, or trying to get on to the end of a flick-on or knock-down.

I'm pretty sure that we brought Sharp into the team at the ideal time, but in the wrong circumstances and the wrong style of play. We're fast doing the same with Evants (on the rare occasion that we put him in the side). Evans is about taking chances that are worked in open play (take his rasping shot from distance against the pigs as an example) - whereas our style demands someone who can score on the floor in a scramble or from a set-piece.

I wonder how many goals Beattie would have scored if he hadn't taken penalties. Take away Cotterills assists and set-pieces and the total tumbles.

For me we've got to mix up our style of play some more - look how many chances we created for Craig Beattie to miss over two legs against Preston when we worked the ball around and opened up space. I'm sure that over a season of doing that the likes of an Evans or a Sharp would look like completely different players.

It's no surprise that the strikers who have been favoured at the Lane and prospered under Blackwell and Warnock are Hulse and Henderson. Strikers who have looked like doing well - take Ward and Kabba, able to take half-chances and like lightning onto a knock-down and flick-on.

Some great comments and agree with alot of what you say about style but it has to be said that against Donny he missed two great chances and against Cardiff he had the header saved that led to our second and somehow failed to get any touch on a brilliant cross from Daz at the start of 2nd half. Had he scored in both games I think we would have won them both. This has nowt to do with style, I just don't think he's as good as what we hoped for. STill time though but no way can Daz be dropped for me.

Ward and Henderson is my top pairing.

 

[H. Metal Blade]

Ched Evans will come into his own once that waster Hendo is out of the first team so we can stop playing the long ball to Hendo...


You only have to watch the Welsh U-21's to realise that Evans knows how to score when given th ball to feet or to run onto...we just dont have enough skilled passers of theball on the rest of the field, hence hoof to hendo to hopefully nod it down...

 

[Guesty]

Henderson is a lot of things, but waster he isn't. Even when he's been part of a front two, he's basically been playing up there by himself.

 

[Mousey]

Ched Evans will come into his own once that waster Hendo is out of the first team so we can stop playing the long ball to Hendo...


You only have to watch the Welsh U-21's to realise that Evans knows how to score when given th ball to feet or to run onto...we just dont have enough skilled passers of theball on the rest of the field, hence hoof to hendo to hopefully nod it down...

So we don't have the skilled passer of the ball to play it to Evans, so by Henderson being out of the 1st team this will then give the other players the ability to pass all of a sudden?

 

[Kev Gee]

I dont think the fee helped as it has increased the expectation around him. I say give him more time. (at least another season!)

 

[lenners]

Threads like this are hilarious.
A host of opinions that Evans is for some reason a good player despite being virtually unable to make any kind of impact on any game this season.
He's been shyte and Camara's cameo quickly showed what a difference a player with pace, movement and a bit of ability makes. All are qualities Evans has none of.
Worst of all is his attitude. Lazy, not interested, not arsed.
Unless there's some kind of magical spell cast which turns him into a proper footballer before January the best bit of business we could possibly do would be to offload while there is still the semblance of a transfer fee to be had.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Well Len you can't of been at the game on Saturday.

You could lay a few accusations at him but not lazy not interested or arsed, he was all over the place.

As for opinions that for some reason he is a good player. These are probably based on the fact that he has an excellent scoring/assists record for us so far and his record at other clubs was also impressive.

 

[Torrix1889]

Get the ball on the deck and start playing it to feet and Evans will flourish.

 

[lenners]

Well Len you can't of been at the game on Saturday.

You could lay a few accusations at him but not lazy not interested or arsed, he was all over the place.

As for opinions that for some reason he is a good player. These are probably based on the fact that he has an excellent scoring/assists record for us so far and his record at other clubs was also impressive.

I was there and witnessed Hendo have to play yet again on his own up front.
Evans is currently an embarrassment.
Anyone who thinks Evans is a good player on the evidence of him in a red and white shirt is barking.

 

[alcoblade]

Well Len you can't of been at the game on Saturday.

You could lay a few accusations at him but not lazy not interested or arsed, he was all over the place.

As for opinions that for some reason he is a good player. These are probably based on the fact that he has an excellent scoring/assists record for us so far and his record at other clubs was also impressive.

sadly I'm with Len on this one. I can almost forgive the apparent lack of any positive attirbutes, under thr banner of "more time" and "play to his strengths" etc etc. What I can't accept is the lack of any sustained effort, which is what I see.

UTB

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Well it must of been another player with Evans on his back running about on Saturday then.

 

[lenners]

Well it must of been another player with Evans on his back running about on Saturday then.

Yes, you probably confused him with Henderson.
One thing I will say for him is that he's beginning to add comic value and that's always a good thing when the team's crap.

 

[alcoblade]

Well it must of been another player with Evans on his back running about on Saturday then.

twas the same player, we just see it differently. Unlike Len, I'm desperate to see the positives about anything United. Other than having 2 legs, I can't attribute any positives to Evans yet. He looks an almighty waste of money, whatever the fee. I will be delighted to be proved wrong.

UTB

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Threads like this are hilarious.
A host of opinions that Evans is for some reason a good player despite being virtually unable to make any kind of impact on any game this season.
He's been shyte and Camara's cameo quickly showed what a difference a player with pace, movement and a bit of ability makes. All are qualities Evans has none of.
Worst of all is his attitude. Lazy, not interested, not arsed.
Unless there's some kind of magical spell cast which turns him into a proper footballer before January the best bit of business we could possibly do would be to offload while there is still the semblance of a transfer fee to be had.

Good stuff Len, we'll file this with your comments about the comical Hulse signing and the panic buying of a 3rd division striker last season which you have conveniently now forgotten :thumbup:

 

[lenners]

Good stuff Len, we'll file this with your comments about the comical Hulse signing and the panic buying of a 3rd division striker last season which you have conveniently now forgotten :thumbup:

No problem. Good to see Hulse has refound his level after his blip with us and I think you must be thinking of someone else about Ward.

 

[Stafford Blade]

Ched Evans will come into his own once that waster Hendo is out of the first team so we can stop playing the long ball to Hendo...


You only have to watch the Welsh U-21's to realise that Evans knows how to score when given th ball to feet or to run onto...we just dont have enough skilled passers of theball on the rest of the field, hence hoof to hendo to hopefully nod it down...

Henderson works his knackers off up front. He gets through more work in 90 minutes than Evans has managed all season

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

No problem. Good to see Hulse has refound his level after his blip with us and I think you must be thinking of someone else about Ward.

Nope, it was you. I seem to remember you said it was proof of the direction the rudderless ship was going or something along those lines.

 

[raul]

It's like a Blue Peter Appeal in reverse for the lad. He was £3m Ched Evans in Summer when he signed and we meant business, now he's £1.5m Ched Evans as we seek to cover up his less than impressive start. Think I even saw £500k Ched Evans mentioned earlier on this very thread.

He's only 20 and didn't choose his price tag, let's take these factors out of the equation and give him some time to see what he can do. Wouldn't be easy for Torres to fit in atm with all the chopping and changing.:fishy:

 

[lenners]

Nope, it was you. I seem to remember you said it was proof of the direction the rudderless ship was going or something along those lines.

Nope, always been happy with the signing of Ward.
The sale of Beattie, no, but the signing of a player like Ward always made sense and makes you wonder why we've done it so infrequently down the years and instead lumber ourselves with numpties like Evans.

 

[Jacko]

He needs to be given time but it is weird how he bangs em in for wales and then seems a different player for us, maybe it is Blackwell, but who knows...

 

[Eggman1889]

Is it too early to judge?

Yes - So don't

:thumbup:

A certain Billy was given more time before being hung, drawn and quartered, but then he is a Blade!

 

[Micalijo]

This might be rare from me, I don't really rate him but there has to be some middle ground doesn't there on this one?

The kid can seriously hit a ball and for that reason alone there has to be talent there, his finish against Watford showed real talent as well. OK that is the least we can expect for the outlay but you have to bear in mind that we have a terrible manager who in my opinion has no real concept of how to bring the talent out of players, especially when they are struggling for whatever reason.

I want people playing for us on merit so praise to KB for not playing him all the time but equally how can a club that is so skint have Evans and Cotts on the bench. It is beyond belief and pretty much blows all KB's excuses out of the water

 

[Fiery Blade]

No it doesn't. It's muppets like you who question his ability after 10 or so games that does that.

Is there anything about the club that you actually like?

Talking of muppets Highbury, read the thread and you will see that rather than question his ability I have been disappointed with his form and raised questions of why he has been disappointing
And to answer your question regarding things I actually like about the club:
BDTBL-a proper football ground
Club History, Red and White stripes, Brian Deane, Tony Currie, Dave Bassett, Joe Shaw, Len Badger, Standing on the Kop, Tom Hark, gary Sinclair, Captain Blade,Beating Wednesday, Phil Jagielka, Pesky, Michael Brown, Chris Morgan, BT,Woodward, Hodgekinson, Oxo, etc etc etc

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

pretty much blows all KB's excuses out of the water

how surprising that you came to that conclusion

 

[Micalijo]

I know, fair enough! I thought I was going to get through a post without mentioning how poor a manager Blackwell is but it is physically impossible for me, I now admit that - my thought process just drifts that way and before you know it is time for a pop at Blackwell - an entirely justifiable one of course!!

 

[Micalijo]

Seriously though Jim, he's spent say £3.5m for sake of argument on those two and they are far from regulars in the team. It just does not make sense. It is hard to have sympathy for his cries of poverty when you think about this.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Seriously though Jim, he's spent say £3.5m for sake of argument on those two and they are far from regulars in the team. It just does not make sense. It is hard to have sympathy for his cries of poverty when you think about this.

Yep, a point I made somewhere else today, amongst all the re-profiling, Ched's transfer and wages just don't sit right. Having said that, I remember McCabe saying they would only spend money on players who would have a re-sale value and I guess both Ched and Cotts would find another club relatively easily (even if we did manage to ruin both their careers !)

Evans hasn't had a chance to shine yet and we all know what Cotts can do with his confidence up, it just seems as though Cotts only has to have a bad half hour and he's out of the team.

Would love to see us playing 4-4-2 with Cotts on fire on the right, Treacy/Reid flying on the left and Ched/Wardy up front, let the opposition worry about us for a change :thumbup:

 

[alcoblade]

No problem. Good to see Hulse has refound his level after his blip with us and I think you must be thinking of someone else about Ward.

It's a pretty safe bet that you were negative about any of our signings, and positive about any of our sales. It's not rocket science.

UTB

 

[Mary Christmas]

I know, fair enough! I thought I was going to get through a post without mentioning how poor a manager Blackwell is but it is physically impossible for me, I now admit that - my thought process just drifts that way and before you know it is time for a pop at Blackwell - an entirely justifiable one of course!!

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