Good JTW so far

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nopigfansintown said:
I find it novel that our fans are happy with our transfer policy when the manager is on record as not being happy. He has said he'll make the best of a bad lot, and I think he's probably doing that to be fair.
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I don't remember that conversation to be fair, do you have a link ?
 



some players fit in some dont, we just hope they fit our cavalier approach to the task
if we bring in 4 and 2 add something , whoop de do
positive mind sets only doubters need not apply
 
This is the latest one. You'll find similar sentiments if you research the past few transfer windows.
Wilder has stated that his decisions on loan recruitment has been necessitated by the the club being unwilling to invest in his normal process of planning based recruitment. “Whether the changing room needs a lift or just to strengthen the squad, we need a little bit more in certain areas. I am always trying to plan. I am a planner. “Concentrating on loans takes us down a different route. I would rather go on the longer term view – the club knows that – but we have to get the right player".
The irony is that this short term method of recruitment will cost more in the long run, unless promotion is obtained and short term loans are replaced with Premier League quality.

https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...pes-for-the-january-transfer-window-1-9498931[/QUOTE]
 
blademark said:
I don't remember that conversation to be fair, do you have a link ?
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This is the latest one. You'll find similar sentiments if you research the past few transfer windows.
Wilder has stated that his decisions on loan recruitment has been necessitated by the the club being unwilling to invest in his normal process of planning based recruitment. “Whether the changing room needs a lift or just to strengthen the squad, we need a little bit more in certain areas. I am always trying to plan. I am a planner. “Concentrating on loans takes us down a different route. I would rather go on the longer term view – the club knows that – but we have to get the right player".
The irony is that this short term method of recruitment will cost more in the long run, unless promotion is obtained and short term loans are replaced with Premier League quality.

https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...pes-for-the-january-transfer-window-1-9498931
 
Revolution said:
You will find a number of posts from January 2018 praising the transfer window business we did then.

It is too early to say whether we are doing good business.

All of Evans, Holmes and Leonard were first team players. The two we have signed so far have not been. There is even less material to go on to say how they will play than we had last year.
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We were already falling away by then, and were desperate for a Coutts replacement. Right now we’re on good form and aren't likeky to sign any first teamers.

I think adding players that complement what we’ve got makes it a good transfer window, so far.
 
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Rodley said:
At the end of the day, we’ve had enough transfer windows to observe that the same people moan every time. Too old, too young, too experienced, too cheap, waste of munneh.
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Yep, too true. ;)
 
nopigfansintown said:
This is the latest one. You'll find similar sentiments if you research the past few transfer windows.
Wilder has stated that his decisions on loan recruitment has been necessitated by the the club being unwilling to invest in his normal process of planning based recruitment. “Whether the changing room needs a lift or just to strengthen the squad, we need a little bit more in certain areas. I am always trying to plan. I am a planner. “Concentrating on loans takes us down a different route. I would rather go on the longer term view – the club knows that – but we have to get the right player".
The irony is that this short term method of recruitment will cost more in the long run, unless promotion is obtained and short term loans are replaced with Premier League quality.

https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...pes-for-the-january-transfer-window-1-9498931
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If short term loans get us promotion then we can afford to buy PL quality can't we?
And conversely, if we buy permanent players at relatively high prices and then still don't get promoted we could end up right royally stuffed!
 
Harrisblade said:
If short term loans get us promotion then we can afford to buy PL quality can't we?
And conversely, if we buy permanent players at relatively high prices and then still don't get promoted we could end up right royally stuffed!
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What's a relatively high price though? At the minute we're just not competitive in the transfer market. Kevin McCabe admitted as much last year. At the minute we've bought Egan, Norwood and a few loans with the proceeds of the best part of 15 million of player sales. Poverty stuff in this division. Last year we lost 2 million; most clubs in the top half of the division are losing 10 million plus per season in order to fund their squad building. The parachute teams more. That's the Championship in 2019.
 
nopigfansintown said:
What's a relatively high price though? At the minute we're just not competitive in the transfer market. Kevin McCabe admitted as much last year. At the minute we've bought Egan, Norwood and a few loans with the proceeds of the best part of 15 million of player sales. Poverty stuff in this division. Last year we lost 2 million; most clubs in the top half of the division are losing 10 million plus per season in order to fund their squad building. The parachute teams more. That's the Championship in 2019.
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Thank you for supporting my opinion.
We do a couple of permanent transfers for a shit load of money and if we don't get promoted we're financially screwed - which is what I said.
Short term loans are affordable within our budget and if they don't get us promotion there will be no permanent damage done.
 
Harrisblade said:
Thank you for supporting my opinion.
We do a couple of permanent transfers for a shit load of money and if we don't get promoted we're financially screwed - which is what I said.
Short term loans are affordable within our budget and if they don't get us promotion there will be no permanent damage done.
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I disagree with the bit about bring quality in now on permanent deals. I don't derby are crying themselves to sleep about signing the lad from Peterborough. I would always bring players in on permanents, if you can get the right quality at the right price. We just can't compete under this ownership, even with much smaller clubs. The manager wants to go a different route but the owners wont allow him too. He's make the best out of a bad lot, and is imposing a strategy he fundamentally disagrees with. McCabe wants rid of the prince so he can invest much more - in accordance with Wilder's strategy. It's not a case of being too poor to invest, and the club's future being at risk if we did; McCabe couldn't have been clearer about that. The irony is that they'll never have a cheaper chance at promotion: key components of the squad will need replacing soon and major capital investment will be needed to replace players in the first eleven - not just for signing quality squad players.The loan signings are also dead money if we don't gain promotion, but that's another matter. Where do we get next season's transfer budget from if we face that eventuality? Maguire and Walker sell on clauses don't grow on trees; neither do David Brooks's. I find It's better to focus on this season - it's less depressing that way.
 
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nopigfansintown said:
I disagreed? The manager wants to go a different route but the owners wont allow him too. He's make the best out of a bad lot, and is imposing a strategy he fundamentally disagrees with. McCabe wants rid of the prince so he can invest much more - in accordance with Wilder's strategy. It's not a case of being too poor to invest, and the club's future being at risk if we did; McCabe couldn't have been clearer about that. The irony is that they'll never have a cheaper chance at promotion: key components of the squad will need replacing soon and major capital investment will be needed to replace players in the first eleven - not just for signing quality squad players.The loan signings are also dead money if we don't gain promotion, but that's another matter. Where do we get next season's transfer budget from if we face that eventuality? Maguire and Walker sell on clauses don't grow on trees; neither do David Brooks's. I find It's better to focus on this season - it's less depressing that way.
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We don’t even know who’s going to own the club next season. It’s not surprising Wilder’s frustrated. To survive in this league you have to invest in and develop players, selling the best ones to cover your losses. As you say, whoever ends up owning the club is going to have to invest. The longer we leave it, the more it’s going to cost e.g. we could buy a potential replacement for Billy and bring him through slowly, as Billy declines, or wait until Billy’s legs go and we need a ready made replacement, who’ll cost a shit load.
 
BushBlade said:
We don’t even know who’s going to own the club next season. It’s not surprising Wilder’s frustrated. To survive in this league you have to invest in and develop players, selling the best ones to cover your losses. As you say, whoever ends up owning the club is going to have to invest. The longer we leave it, the more it’s going to cost e.g. we could buy a potential replacement for Billy and bring him through slowly, as Billy declines, or wait until Billy’s legs go and we need a ready made replacement, who’ll cost a shit load.
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Yes it's the same with Duffy, Clarke, Sharp, Coutts (possibly). It should have been done piecemeal over the last four/five windows, but due to the situation at the club the time will come where we need a stack of top class players to remain competitive with the top six. I can still remember Wilder saying "we're not in the market for million pound players" two Januarys ago when we signed a stop gap in Hanson. It's going to catch up with us eventually.I agree, you've have to sell your best players at the right time, for the right fee, to invest in other assets. Unfortunately we're not gaining many new assets, which cost considerable money at this level. We couldn't afford Ollie Watkins in the summer of 2017; we couldn't afford Jack Marriott this summer. Lets just hope these stop gaps get us over the line.
 
alcoblade said:
We were already falling away by then, and were desperate for a Coutts replacement. Right now we’re on good form and aren't likeky to sign any first teamers.

I think adding players that complement what we’ve got makes it a good transfer window, so far.
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Think people need to go back and look at our form last season. We were absolutely appalling from Coutts getting injured to the JTW opening and then we got back to about 75% of our previous form.

Yeah we sold them but they were a success, not in the traditional sense maybe but more in a tourniquet to stop you bleeding to death.
 
derekacorah said:
With Maja we’d have spent £2m+ on the fee then £10k+ a week wages. Madine will be similar but lower risk as we hand him back if he’s shite. Albeit with Maja we would have an asset at the end of the deal so is lower risk in that respect. Maja’s fitness will also be much better than Madine given the respective games played this season.

Young players from PL clubs don’t excite me based on past history so Dowell might be good but I’m more expecting him to be Wilson/Woodburn esque with little or no impact on the team.

It’s good that we’ve made 2 moves early doors but remains to be seen if they are any good. Hope for 1 permanent despite the noises coming out of the club.
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If we were offering Maja £10k a week in wages we'd be laughed at. Even broke, Third Division Sunderland have offered him twice that to stay
 
Topplayersleave said:
If we were offering Maja £10k a week in wages we'd be laughed at. Even broke, Third Division Sunderland have offered him twice that to stay
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Good for them, they’ll be in the shit financially pretty soon I’m sure if they aren’t already.
 
Blend-it-like-Harris said:
I can't understand Blades fans who think this JTW has been disappointing thus far. Our weakness in the 1st half of the season (can't believe I've said that, given where we are in the League) has centered mainly around our vulnerability after 50/60 minutes following Duffy's substitution. The ability of McGoldrick to drop into that slot speaks volumes for him but is a big ask after he's put the shift in up top for the 1st 50/60 minutes. Our two loan players offer CW options now in those key areas.

I don't agree that Madine means we resort to HoofBall/Plan B as he is not simply a target man, but able to play the hold-up and lay-off striker capable of creating time and space for Billy, as well as offering the old one/two/Toshack/Keegan-type 6/12 yard threat.

The young lad from Everton offers young fresh legs in an area where we have been lacking in the crucial last 30 minutes of games, and also has a penchant for threatening from distance. The threat itself doesn't necessarily have to translate into goals a'la Adam Reach, since opposition defenders will perceive the threat and that itself will create space and openings we should be able to exploit.

Chris Wilder, fortunately, has more insight than the average fan and as Manager knows not to take notice of all the bollox and bile from those "fans" that thrive on hatred and prejudice.
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I know we got Dowell but I can see Madine for Duffy being a great sub to make.

We keep the skills of McGoldrick and we add some physically for defenders who have already played for an hour.

To be fair, like vs Derby, bringing Clarke on and dropping back McGoldrick has also given us another dimension.
 
derekacorah said:
Good for them, they’ll be in the shit financially pretty soon I’m sure if they aren’t already.
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Sunderland are in the shyte, but they still have parachute payments and a huge following.
They'll get promoted this year I think, and when they do they will be much better in the Championship next season than they were last season, it wouldn't surprise me if they went all the way back up to the Premier league in the next couple of years.
They're just one of those clubs, they often push the self destruct button, but they always make their way back again.
 
bromtom said:
Think people need to go back and look at our form last season. We were absolutely appalling from Coutts getting injured to the JTW opening and then we got back to about 75% of our previous form.

Yeah we sold them but they were a success, not in the traditional sense maybe but more in a tourniquet to stop you bleeding to death.
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As much as he’s not rated by us, Evans was essential last season. We were heading off a cliff. Great bit of emergency business, halted the slide and then we doubled our money as soon as we could get a better replacement.
 
Having seen Adkins, Clough, Weir, Adams, Blackwell, Robson and Bruce in in-action (Warnock and Wilson were OK by me); I am happy to go along with Wilder's decisions.
 
Rodley said:
Best news of the Transfer Window for me, as Beans and Blades Analytics mentioned on their most recent podcast, would be Harvey Barnes being recalled from WBA. They’d have no chance getting anyone anywhere near as good as him as a replacement.

Fingers crossed!

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/...s/leicester-city-harvey-barnes-recall-2391988
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Couple that with Abraham at Villa and there are a few others who could lose talent this month. A good JTW could be more about retaining our top players rather than having a massive signing, although both would be nice.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Couple that with Abraham at Villa and there are a few others who could lose talent this month. A good JTW could be more about retaining our top players rather than having a massive signing, although both would be nice.
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Turned a loan move to Wolves down to stay at Villa unfortunately.

However, I’m still hoping that a Premier League team (he might be the answer to Warnock’s problems) buy him towards the end of the window (right before they face us).
 
Champagneblade said:
So here we are, just the 8th of Jan and Chris already has two targets in. Contrast to Evans, Leonard, Holmes - a punt, that to a man didn't come off, and it's been a positive window so far!

Both of them are certs for the matchday squad.

Both of them with the relevant experience at this level.

One has two recent promotions on his CV. The other has been a tournament winner with England.

Yes there may be some initial distractions to the Madine transfer, but he definitely adds to the mix and he's another player to worry the opposition in a way we didn't previously have.

Dowell has shown with Forest an ability to score from range - something we've often lacked - and also provides a viable alternative to Duffy without dropping the quality. As mentioned elsewhere, he also gives us the possibility of playing alongside Duffy and behind one forward giving us a further dimension.

I'm happy with the business so far. A striker that went for 6m and a midfielder who notched 9 or 10 in just over 40 matches.

We have the rest of Jan to get a goal scoring winger with pace to complete the Plan B approach and we are well set for what we know will be a 20 game Sprint between Leeds, Norwich, West Brom and us.

Keep it coming Chris!
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! think where we are a the end of the season will decide that.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
Turned a loan move to Wolves down to stay at Villa unfortunately.

However, I’m still hoping that a Premier League team (he might be the answer to Warnock’s problems) buy him towards the end of the window (right before they face us).
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I think that is more down to the lack of clarity as to if his move will be sanctioned due to playing for 2 clubs already this season. If he moves and it's not agreed then he's sitting on the bench.
I'd expect Wolves to push this through for a definitive answer and the deal to be back on should common sense prevail.
 
Underwhelming JTW though doubt anyone expected significant investment given the ownership issues.
Signing two players who've hardly played all season means Wilder's going to have to produce some more alchemy.
 



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