Killa's non-contract

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Why shouldn't he think about himself and his career - he is a talented footballer seeing his peers earn thousands of pounds per week playing in the Premier League with sides like Stoke, Bolton, Hull, Wigan, Portsmouth, Birmingham etc yet he is contracted to a team that lacks the ambition to make that step up!
It is a short career - he must maximise it and United have not shown a massive will to go for promotion
All we hear is that we hope to be in the top 6 by the end of the season!
Footyball is about ambition, striving to make the extra point, not happy to be where we are!
 
Wonder why the Blades ahve problems attracting QUALITY players to BDTBL ? ;)
 
TonyAgana said:
Ambition = extravagant wages?
Extravagant wages + (championship side - parachute payments) = bad times.
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Easily solved

Promotion = TV Money + Sponsorship Money + Increased attendances
Result = Ability to pay higher wages for decent players

:thumbup:
 
Fiery Blade said:
Easily solved

Promotion = TV Money + Sponsorship Money + Increased attendances
Result = Ability to pay higher wages for decent players

:thumbup:
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Things can't be as bad as you make out then!

Pay Killa what he wants = promotion!! :D ;)
 
TonyAgana said:
Things can't be as bad as you make out then!

Pay Killa what he wants = promotion!! :D ;)
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I don't make things out to be bad! I just think over the past few seasons we have massively underachieved
We have had players good enough to get us promotion
If McCabe would have held is nerve in January
If Blackwell had played the right tactics
Lots of ifs and buts but I have never said things are that bad just that we have never achieved what we should have done given resources, ground, crowds etc
Unfortunately our manager could not mould them into a Championship winning side unlike McCarthy
 
I agree with most of your sentiments Fiery.

Killa is a class player. He is approaching the peak of his career. He naturally wants to be playing against the best. We all think he is good enough. He has no ties to the Blades and hence why shouldn't he be itching to play Premiership football? It's looking increasingly unlikely that we'll go up this year and hence why should he commit himself to a championship side? Would you in his position? I think not. Blackwell is likely to be in charge for another 2/3 years and prmotion is far from guaranteed under him. Why would Killa commit to 2 or 3 season of Championship football when he could go and play in the premiership.

I'm not a negative Blades fan. I have been criticised on other forums for being too positive!? However I am a realist. Taking my red and white specs off I don't think we'll get promoted this year. My personal opinion is that KB has taken as far as he can. Killa probably knows this. A lot of other players think this. Many other Blades fans are of the same opinion. I don't want to open a can of worms about Blackwell and whether he should be at the club, but am merely prepping for what I am about to say .....

We should cash in on Killa in January. (IMO) We will not get promotion this year and we should take whatever we can get for him in January. The player is not commited to United and we cannot offer him what he wants (premiership football). I'd take anything over and above £2 million.
 
Fiery Blade said:
He is good enough to play Premier League everyone on here thinks so !
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Everyone apart from those who saw him in 06/07 perhaps? I know it was a long time ago and he's probably improved since then but based on what I've seen (I didn't see him play for Leeds in the top flight), he's nowhere near good enough for the Premier League. In fact, his inclusion in the last couple of games that season were a contributory factor in our relegation.

He talks about the difference between the Premier League and the Championship like it's easier to defend in the top flight. His lack of strength would be at least as much, if not more, of a weakness in the top flight.

He's a very good Championship defender and, in an ideal world, I'd like to keep him but he's a long, long way from being worth £20k plus a week. I'm far from convinced that he should be our top earner (although no-one's making a compelling case for being deserving of that at the moment).

If he goes in January, my main criticism will be that we should've cashed in on the inevitably bigger bids we received in August. If we'd done that, we might have had chance to bring in a permanent replacement and we'd probably be over a million quid better off.
 
TonyAgana said:
Ambition = extravagant wages?
Extravagant wages + (championship side - parachute payments) = bad times.
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mmmmm.......
If the management at BDTBL was quality the forward planning of the Blades wud have had success and extravagant wages hand in hand.

Not certain about the extravagant wages but we've had no success.

The Blades hard up .... well without quality management were in the shit!.... even with it things will be difficult.
 
beightonblade said:
mmmmm.......
If the management at BDTBL was quality the forward planning of the Blades wud have had success and extravagant wages hand in hand.

Not certain about the extravagant wages but we've had no success.

The Blades hard up .... well without quality management were in the shit!.... even with it things will be difficult.
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How much would you pay Kilgallon, and what evidence do you have that we haven't already offered him that?

UTB
 
So in summary..

Player and club spell out the side of the story which suits their position best. Player leaves in January. half of us howl at the moon at being sold down the river again no ambition etc whilst the other half applaud the clubs position and declare undying loyalty to the plan whereby once every other club not run by KM has gone bust we will rule the world.

Don't we have this situation annually and has anyone who takes part in the debate ever switched sides as a result of all the mud slinging?
 
raul said:
So in summary..

Player and club spell out the side of the story which suits their position best. Player leaves in January. half of us howl at the moon at being sold down the river again no ambition etc whilst the other half applaud the clubs position and declare undying loyalty to the plan whereby once every other club not run by KM has gone bust we will rule the world.

Don't we have this situation annually and has anyone who takes part in the debate ever switched sides as a result of all the mud slinging?
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it's a fair point raul, but I'm not actually on any side. I don't have the facts to hand to get excited about it. I just can't understand why some people, armed with as few facts as I am, are continually determined to hate their own club.

The only thing I'm certain of is that Kilgallon will do and say whatever suites him best, and quotes as made can't be relied on. Clearly we'll offer something to try and avoid him walking for free. He's making the noises of someone who's determined to play oin the top flight and screw the highest wages. I don't think we'll be able to offer either next season, so we should flog in January. And though I think he's good, he's not THAT good.

UTB
 

Foxy said:
The horses mouth also said that we were still in discussions last month.
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Alco, there is a big difference between discussions and the actual offering of a contract.

alcoblade said:
it's a fair point raul, but I'm not actually on any side. I don't have the facts to hand to get excited about it. I just can't understand why some people, armed with as few facts as I am, are continually determined to hate their own club.
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I certainly don't hate my club. I am disappointed that Killa seems to be on his way out. He was instrumental in our defence being solid last season. Thus said our best run of games and defensive record (I seem to remember but could be wrong) was with Ugo and Morgs playing together (leading up to Ugo being s/o against Dingles). Hence it won't be the end of the world if he goes and we can bring in another decent defender to partner Morgs. I fully expect us to carry on with our average form and be just about in touch with the top 6 at xmas. Hence from an SUFC business point of view then it would be best to sell him. As I said before i'd be happy with 2 mill in January.
 
Ollessendro said:
Alco, there is a big difference between discussions and the actual offering of a contract.
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agreed, but you can clearly imagine how these things go. We've sat down with his agent and said something like;

"we're happy to double his wages and pay him £20K per week"...to which Killa's agent replies;

"we wont discuss anything less than £40K and guarantee he can leave for any premiership club"

us;

tumbleweed.

Not a contract offer, more a realisation that we're pissing in the wind. Fair enough, IMHO.

UTB
 
IMO, We are showing signs (on the footballing front) of distress & decline!!. Does anyone else agree that recently (ie the last 3/4 seasons) the club mirrors United of the 80's!!, A Chairman unsure in which direction he should take the club!. Manager(s) that have all-too-soon reached the pinnacle of their managerial skills and been found wanting!, and a team slowly losing it's better players and replacing them with more experienced (much older/many past their sell-by-date!, remember Stewart Houston, Phil Thompson, Kennedy, McKnaught, Burridge, Withe etc!??) players. With the progress made at the club in recent years, Financially and to the stadium & surrounding areas, surely a slide back to the footballing staff standards of 30 years ago won't be allowed!!. That's why we should be doing our upmost to keep hold of players like Killa, Morg's is not gonna last many more seasons, more's the pity. :eek:
 
My understanding is that its well know McCabe wants out.. he's been looking for new investors worldwide for years even employing sum fancy firm to help out.

Business wise he's no fool and i get the impression he is unwilling to commit the finances to the Blades which MIGHT bring success.
The result of this limbo status means QUALITY players will dissapear away from BDTBL faster than a gipsies greyhound.

Just my humble opinion of course. ;)
 
beightonblade said:
My understanding is that its well know McCabe wants out.. he's been looking for new investors worldwide for years even employing sum fancy firm to help out.

Business wise he's no fool and i get the impression he is unwilling to commit the finances to the Blades which MIGHT bring success.
The result of this limbo status means QUALITY players will dissapear away from BDTBL faster than a gipsies greyhound.

Just my humble opinion of course. ;)
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I'm not sure he wants out, more he's after outside investment. But either way, if that's the case then what's your gripe with him? If you were in his position, would you be pouring more money down the drain (what's not arguable is the football is a piss poor investment) even though your heart wasn't in it?

If he's looking for out but nobody wants in, it's hardly his fault, is it?

UTB
 
BladesNo9 said:
IMO, We are showing signs (on the footballing front) of distress & decline!!. Does anyone else agree that recently (ie the last 3/4 seasons) the club mirrors United of the 80's!!, A Chairman unsure in which direction he should take the club!. Manager(s) that have all-too-soon reached the pinnacle of their managerial skills and been found wanting!, and a team slowly losing it's better players and replacing them with more experienced (much older/many past their sell-by-date!, remember Stewart Houston, Phil Thompson, Kennedy, McKnaught, Burridge, Withe etc!??) players. With the progress made at the club in recent years, Financially and to the stadium & surrounding areas, surely a slide back to the footballing staff standards of 30 years ago won't be allowed!!. That's why we should be doing our upmost to keep hold of players like Killa, Morg's is not gonna last many more seasons, more's the pity. :eek:
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I don't think it's anything like the 80's as we're in a far stronger position in lots of ways. None the less, we somehow managed to get a wagebill of £20M (on some very average players) and there's sadly only one direction you can go from there.

UTB
 
If MC Wants out then surely a prem side would mean selling at a far higher price, let says if we are worth 40 mil (which we are not btw) then if we was in the prem we would be worth 80 mil plus, which means not not get promotion is costing loads of money for any future sale
 
BladesNo9 said:
IMO, We are showing signs (on the footballing front) of distress & decline!!. Does anyone else agree that recently (ie the last 3/4 seasons) the club mirrors United of the 80's!!, A Chairman unsure in which direction he should take the club!. Manager(s) that have all-too-soon reached the pinnacle of their managerial skills and been found wanting!, and a team slowly losing it's better players and replacing them with more experienced (much older/many past their sell-by-date!, remember Stewart Houston, Phil Thompson, Kennedy, McKnaught, Burridge, Withe etc!??) players. With the progress made at the club in recent years, Financially and to the stadium & surrounding areas, surely a slide back to the footballing staff standards of 30 years ago won't be allowed!!. That's why we should be doing our upmost to keep hold of players like Killa, Morg's is not gonna last many more seasons, more's the pity. :eek:
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I cant remember a Kennedy actually; which one was that?
 
theblade1957 said:
If MC Wants out then surely a prem side would mean selling at a far higher price, let says if we are worth 40 mil (which we are not btw) then if we was in the prem we would be worth 80 mil plus, which means not not get promotion is costing loads of money for any future sale
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ok Mr McCabe, there you have it. Press the button that says "get promoted".....:)



UTB
 
beightonblade said:
Yes i agree..... bad management.
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yes, that was bad management. He made his biggest mistake in the appointment of Robson. He then backed him enormously. You can't fault that, it's just that Robson squandered it on enormously overpaid, old, injury prone flops.

Unlike you, I can't hold his mistakes against him forever, and I prefer to consider the overall balance of the argument that the club has moved forwards under his stewardship.

UTB
 

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