Legend Dave Bassett

[Bladesway]

we should view this potential transfer on 2 basis - personal & professional
On a personal level, he isn’t a very nice human being, that said there are others who could be bracketed the same - JT, Giggs, Bellamy, Balotelli etc. All have indiscretions on their personal CV, but their professional CV is such that you may turn a blind eye to the nobishness.
If we assess Madine, his off field antics are that of a heavyweight bell end, but let’s look at his playing career, after all we’re signing him for his goals, not his people skills.
Accepting he had moderate success at the pigs and Bolton -197 appearances for 50goals, less than 1 in 4 is hardly prolific, especially considering Sharp has scored 80 from 145 (goals ratio 1 in 1.81)since rejoining in 2015.
However taking those 2 ‘highlight’ out, he has played for 7 different clubs (4 blanks), making 132 appearances, scoring 21 goals (goals to game of 1 in 6.2). Bearing in mind these include the mighty Rochdale, Blackpool, Coventry and Carlisle x2.

In summary we are considering a questionable personality, with a career goal scoring record across 319 appearances yielding 71 goals, or 1 in 4.5
In contrast career
Billy 496 / 220 - 2.25 games per goal
Leon 439 / 135 - 3.25 games per goal
McG 364 / 94 - 3.8 games per goal

Nothing personal against him, but on no level should this happen

Anyone remember Leon Clarke? Hated by those who knew best and with a scoring record of nothing more than a journeyman until he rocked up with us last season.

Better that people see how this pans out and trust that our Manager actually knows what he is doing than making yourself look a socket in public.

Usual suspects on here who spout shite and know fuck all about anything criticising a bloke who has worked wonders and apparently seems to know what the fuck he is doing.

If Wilder says he plays he should get 100 percent support because he plays for Sheffield United. But I guess it’s more important for some to be proved right than for us to succeed.

 

[wizadry]

Anyone remember Leon Clarke? Hated by those who knew best and with a scoring record of nothing more than a journeyman until he rocked up with us last season.

Better that people see how this pans out and trust that our Manager actually knows what he is doing than making yourself look a socket in public.

Usual suspects on here who spout shite and know fuck all about anything criticising a bloke who has worked wonders and apparently seems to know what the fuck he is doing.

If Wilder says he plays he should get 100 percent support because he plays for Sheffield United. But I guess it’s more important for some to be proved right than for us to succeed.

See this is the problem Bladesway, you’re getting constructive posts like steve26272 and they’re just getting shot down, what is the fucking point of a forum if you can’t discuss whether a player will be good or not for us?

 

[steve26272]

lol you might be waiting a fookin long time !

Banging em in ffs

2007–2011 Carlisle United 67 (14)
2009 → Rochdale (loan) 3 (0)
2009 → Coventry City (loan) 9 (0)
2010 → Chesterfield (loan) 4 (0)
2011–2015 Sheffield Wednesday 101 (26)
2014 → Carlisle United (loan) 5 (2)
2014–2015 → Coventry City (loan) 11 (3)
2015 → Blackpool (loan) 15 (2)
2015–2018 Bolton Wanderers 96 (24)
2018– Cardiff City 18 (0)

Anyone remember Leon Clarke? Hated by those who knew best and with a scoring record of nothing more than a journeyman until he rocked up with us last season.

Better that people see how this pans out and trust that our Manager actually knows what he is doing than making yourself look a socket in public.

Usual suspects on here who spout shite and know fuck all about anything criticising a bloke who has worked wonders and apparently seems to know what the fuck he is doing.

If Wilder says he plays he should get 100 percent support because he plays for Sheffield United. But I guess it’s more important for some to be proved right than for us to succeed.

Bit ‘Arsh!!
I ain’t criticising CW, or spouting shite, just facts mate.
He could be a midget raping serial killer, but if his record suggests he will bang in the goals to fire us to PL then sign him up!
But you can’t question facts, that’s not my opinion, but stats. And as we say at the end of season the table will reflect the truth, well after 319 professional appearances I think we can judge his goals to games ratio as been a true reflection, and on the basis it’s worse than our current squad, and we’re looking to improve not regress, move on and find someone else

 

[wavy-blade]

we should view this potential transfer on 2 basis - personal & professional
On a personal level, he isn’t a very nice human being, that said there are others who could be bracketed the same - JT, Giggs, Bellamy, Balotelli etc. All have indiscretions on their personal CV, but their professional CV is such that you may turn a blind eye to the nobishness.
If we assess Madine, his off field antics are that of a heavyweight bell end, but let’s look at his playing career, after all we’re signing him for his goals, not his people skills.
Accepting he had moderate success at the pigs and Bolton -197 appearances for 50goals, less than 1 in 4 is hardly prolific, especially considering Sharp has scored 80 from 145 (goals ratio 1 in 1.81)since rejoining in 2015.
However taking those 2 ‘highlight’ out, he has played for 7 different clubs (4 blanks), making 132 appearances, scoring 21 goals (goals to game of 1 in 6.2). Bearing in mind these include the mighty Rochdale, Blackpool, Coventry and Carlisle x2.

In summary we are considering a questionable personality, with a career goal scoring record across 319 appearances yielding 71 goals, or 1 in 4.5
In contrast career
Billy 496 / 220 - 2.25 games per goal
Leon 439 / 135 - 3.25 games per goal
McG 364 / 94 - 3.8 games per goal

Nothing personal against him, but on no level should this happen

McGoldricks got best goal rate then wow that's a shock , such a NICE guy as well , "One David McGoldrick "

 

[Sean Thornton]

Problem is he's not scored for a year

And here's me thinking I had nothing at all in common with him

 

[JJ Sefton]

Without wishing to be pedantic, that quote was from when Bassett signed Vinnie Jones, so there was no mention of scoring goals.

Not to mention the fact that Tightshirt was fucking useless.

 

[TTMeysh]

Much as I enjoyed the Bassett years, one of the many ways that the Tufty Years have been superior is being able to actually admire the playing staff and not hold your nose when certain names are read out.

 

[Bladesway]

See this is the problem Bladesway, you’re getting constructive posts like steve26272 and they’re just getting shot down, what is the fucking point of a forum if you can’t discuss whether a player will be good or not for us?

If he wasn’t an ex pig and had said some naughty words about Billy this would be a great signing. There is nothing constructive about the intent here. And as I said, remember Leon and his scoring record? He did ok last season didn’t he? McGoldrick was public enemy number one a month ago now his shit smells of roses.

Love to know where else we would be getting a striker from who has been a regular at this level. I don’t expect Salah will be rocking up any time soon and Aubamayang appears to have better options. This is the pond we are fishing in so people need to get used to it.

 

[blade_ben]

People slagging off Madines scoring record. Look at McGoldricks before he came here

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

At least a few people have actually stopped to realise that he's not actually any fucking good. He's shit. Add that to the fact that he's a twat and that makes him a shit twat.

 

[Chali 2na]

Problem is he's not scored for a year

Considering he's scored 85 goals in the last 10 years, good luck with that. He's more likely to be banging someone out in a Sheffield night club.

lol you might be waiting a fookin long time !

Banging em in ffs

2007–2011 Carlisle United 67 (14)
2009 → Rochdale (loan) 3 (0)
2009 → Coventry City (loan) 9 (0)
2010 → Chesterfield (loan) 4 (0)
2011–2015 Sheffield Wednesday 101 (26)
2014 → Carlisle United (loan) 5 (2)
2014–2015 → Coventry City (loan) 11 (3)
2015 → Blackpool (loan) 15 (2)
2015–2018 Bolton Wanderers 96 (24)
2018– Cardiff City 18 (0)

His goal record isn't great for a striker, admittedly, but as other have pointed out with players like McGoldrick, Wilder has pulled a rabbit out of the hat before.

Wilder thinks there's something there, let's trust him.

 

[SwindonBladeJnr]

Anyone remember Leon Clarke? Hated by those who knew best and with a scoring record of nothing more than a journeyman until he rocked up with us last season.

Better that people see how this pans out and trust that our Manager actually knows what he is doing than making yourself look a socket in public.

Usual suspects on here who spout shite and know fuck all about anything criticising a bloke who has worked wonders and apparently seems to know what the fuck he is doing.

If Wilder says he plays he should get 100 percent support because he plays for Sheffield United. But I guess it’s more important for some to be proved right than for us to succeed.

If Wilder signs him, he will get my 100% support by default of being at Sheffield United. Ultimately I support the club and that means whoever happens to be playing for us at the time. There is no logical sense in wanting anyone at Sheffield United to fail whilst they are at the club.

Despite that, I'm entitled to my opinion on the signing and I don't have to be 'happy' we're signing him. I'm also surprised by the number of people on here giving stick to those expressing their unhappiness with the signing, as if there are no objectively justifiable grounds to be unhappy with it. There are - they are well documented and obvious. Just because they bother you less doesn't mean others are being unreasonable because they are bothered by them more.

I get where you coming form re: the Leon Clarke goalscoring comparison, but it should be remembered that Clarke had recently been prolific at a comparable level of football at two different clubs across whole seasons - Coventry & Bury. I was far more confident that Clarke would score goals for us than I am if Madine joins us.

If he does - I shall certainly keep my fingers crossed. Both that he can behave, and he can score!

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

That he did, but he hasn’t got a prison record because he was found to be innocent

At the risk of reopening all this again Evans wasn’t found to be innocent, he was found to be not guilty. It may sound counterintuitive, but legally these are very different things.

WHAT IS INNOCENT?
Being deemed innocent means that you have been cleared of all speculation that you committed a crime. Innocence isn't really something that can be proven at a trial.

WHAT IS NOT GUILTY?
When it comes to a criminal case, the prosecution has to prove that a defendant committed a crime "beyond a reasonable doubt." That last clause "beyond a reasonable doubt" means that even if the jury largely thinks that a defendant committed a crime, they must not have any doubt about it. Doubt can be inserted into a case by the defense calling the prosecution's case into question. For example, this can be done by presenting witnesses who claim the defendant was with them at a different location when the crime occurred. Being found not guilty doesn't necessarily mean you are innocent. Instead, it means that the evidence wasn't strong enough for a guilty verdict.

https://www.amacdonaldlaw.com/blog/2016/may/what-is-the-difference-between-innocent-and-not-/

 

[CarlMcBlade]

I think some people on here severely over estimate the influence of a fans forum. The opinions on here will melt away like roasted snow once Madine starts scoring.

 

[Davalon]

I think some people on here severely over estimate the influence of a fans forum. The opinions on here will melt away like roasted snow once Madine starts scoring.

If.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

If.

Sorry..........If

 

[Hodgesleftpeg]

At the risk of reopening all this again Evans wasn’t found to be innocent, he was found to be not guilty. It may sound counterintuitive, but legally these are very different things.

WHAT IS INNOCENT?
Being deemed innocent means that you have been cleared of all speculation that you committed a crime. Innocence isn't really something that can be proven at a trial.

WHAT IS NOT GUILTY?
When it comes to a criminal case, the prosecution has to prove that a defendant committed a crime "beyond a reasonable doubt." That last clause "beyond a reasonable doubt" means that even if the jury largely thinks that a defendant committed a crime, they must not have any doubt about it. Doubt can be inserted into a case by the defense calling the prosecution's case into question. For example, this can be done by presenting witnesses who claim the defendant was with them at a different location when the crime occurred. Being found not guilty doesn't necessarily mean you are innocent. Instead, it means that the evidence wasn't strong enough for a guilty verdict.

https://www.amacdonaldlaw.com/blog/2016/may/what-is-the-difference-between-innocent-and-not-/

I did think that once I’d posted it,

 

[Fanny magnet]

Vinnie jones is a good example actually ,most United fans never wanted him ,were glad to see the back of him and never took to him when he was here

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

I think some people on here severely over estimate the influence of a fans forum. The opinions on here will melt away like roasted snow once Madine starts scoring.

Or snowflakes.

Me, I still don't want that twat Madine at Bramall Lane, though, me.

 

[Davalon]

Sorry..........If

If he starts scoring.

I agree that if he knuckles down, works his socks off, performs on the pitch, and causes no problems off it, most people will be swayed. And rightly so.

It's just that that isn't a given as a few seem to be suggesting.

 

[Davalon]

Vinnie jones is a good example actually ,most United fans never wanted him ,were glad to see the back of him and never took to him when he was here

I know where you're coming from but he played a big part in us staying up that first season.

 

[Fanny magnet]

I know where you're coming from but he played a big part in us staying up that first season.

I know for a fact that the other United player's didnt think so and didn't like him taking all the credit

 

[Davalon]

I know for a fact that the other United player's didnt think so and didn't like him taking all the credit

Not sure who gave him all the credit but he certainly contributed to us staying up.

 

[Fanny magnet]

Not sure who gave him all the credit but he certainly contributed to us staying up.

No more than anyone else in the squad

 

[Sheffsteel]

Too much linear thinking amongst our fan base. If there were 3 forwards that all average 25 goal season, then some would think if we had all 3 forwards playing up front for us then that guarantees 75 goals. Football management isn’t that simple.

The facts show Madines scoring record is relatively poor, so he’s not likely to score many goals.
However statistics show that we don’t need a prolific goal scorer as we already have one (Sharp).
However the statistics do show that we put in more crosses than any other team.
We must also have one of the highest corner counts in the league.

So it’s highly probable that Wilder and Knill have decided that a big lump in the box will give us a different option.
Also Sharp is likely to benefit from the knock downs and score even more.
Already mentioned that most of our remaining homes games are against the bottom half of the table.
We are very likely to see games where teams sit back and park the bus denying us any space.
Recent history shows that even when we totally dominate and have loads of corners we hardly create a single clear chance.

Wilder has previous when he brought in James Hanson and it worked as teams learnt they could no longe park the bus as Hanson was too dangerous in the air. So it seems Wilder is searching for an Hanson type to play (even if mainly sub) in the Championship,
Obviously he needs to consider budgets, experience, character, team spirit. If we paying a big chunk of the budget towards Madine then i’d be concerned as I’d have thought we can get a better “Hanson” type.

I’ve read the Cardiff forum and it’s not complementary at any time about Madine, but that was based on a 5 million+ transfer fee and £30K a week wages, they all feel that they’ve been robbed. However think that Madine was taken to Cardiff just to cover injuries (an insurance policy) whereas at SU we don’t have anyone remotely like him, so he’d be a tactical option not just cover.

Wonder what other options are available that play in a similiar style to James Hanson? Maybe Madine is the best of what’s available that stays within budget.

 

[Bladesway]

At least a few people have actually stopped to realise that he's not actually any fucking good. He's shit. Add that to the fact that he's a twat and that makes him a shit twat.

I’ll take Wilders thoughts and opinions over yours thanks. The thing about these fan opinions are that it’s funny how Wilder almost always gets it right. Fans less so.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I’ll take Wilders thoughts and opinions over yours thanks. The thing about these fan opinions are that it’s funny how Wilder almost always gets it right. Fans less so.

 

[wizadry]

If he wasn’t an ex pig and had said some naughty words about Billy this would be a great signing. There is nothing constructive about the intent here. And as I said, remember Leon and his scoring record? He did ok last season didn’t he? McGoldrick was public enemy number one a month ago now his shit smells of roses.

Love to know where else we would be getting a striker from who has been a regular at this level. I don’t expect Salah will be rocking up any time soon and Aubamayang appears to have better options. This is the pond we are fishing in so people need to get used to it.

There is some constructive intent from some though and that’s where you have to separate the posts and respect those more, if you want to that is? Obviously I’ve probably underestimated the ability to debate on here.

See your second paragraph is nothing more than hyperbole bollocks and I expect better from you. If we are in a pond where we are bringing players in like Madine then we are more likely to fall before we rise because we already have an ageing strike force as it is without bringing shit, overrated by our own fans loans in.

How some are making Madine out to all of a sudden be a good player is a remarkable turn around on here from years gone by. I wonder if it is because we are on about signing him? ........let me think!

 

[wizadry]

I’ll take Wilders thoughts and opinions over yours thanks. The thing about these fan opinions are that it’s funny how Wilder almost always gets it right. Fans less so.

Wilder doesn’t always get it right though, infact if you look at his January transfer record it’s not very good at all.

Just shut the forum down if Wilder doesn’t get anything wrong, there’s obviously nothing to discuss or improve on.

 

[steve26272]

I’ll take Wilders thoughts and opinions over yours thanks. The thing about these fan opinions are that it’s funny how Wilder almost always gets it right. Fans less so.

Below taken from another thread
Interesting to see upon reflection how many times CW does get it right
As I added on that post, with a failure rate of 40% be glad he’s our manager and not a heart surgeon.... or pilot

obviously read so much due to the Madine story, one rule of thumb is trust wilder, he knows what he’s doing! I won’t have a bad word said against him, love everything about him and how we are playing football at the minute. However after thinking about some of his signings I thought I’d rank to see how often he’s not got it right.
I think I’ve been generous with a couple.

James Wilson

Chris Hussey

Jack O'Connell️

John Fleck️

Leon Clarke

Jake Wright

Mark Duffy,️

Caolan Lavery

Harry Chapman

Simon Moore

Ethan Ebanks-Landell

Daniel Lafferty

Reece Brown

Samir Carruthers

James Hanson

Jay O'Shea

Joe Riley

Ched Evans

Nathan Thomas

Enda Stevens️

George Baldock️

Richard Stearman

Jamal Blackman,

John Lundstram

Cameron Carter-Vickers

Clayton Donaldson

Ben Heneghan

Ryan Leonard,

Lee Evans

Ricky Holmes

James Wilson

Dean Henderson️

John Egan️

David McGoldrick️

Ben Woodburn

Kean Bryan

Oliver Norwood.️



=16. 43.25%

=12. 32.45%

️= 9. 24.30%

I know it’s impossible to get every signing right, but 43% failure is not great.

Fingers crossed for the last few pieces of the jigsaw.