So who is this so called fan then?

[Pedro's Winger]

Congratulations for the biggest straw man on the thread - you're saying it's not hard to find a racist post by a fan on social media, then you claim that the club thinks racism is ok because it hasn't banned this post and that it has set itself up as morality police on matters that aren't linked to it.

Didn't say the club thinks racism is ok but if you're banning people on the basis of something they've posted on social media without saying what it is or what the standards are, how does anyone know?

 

[diode_blade]

I walk into a bakery so early they haven't started baking yet:

"Sorry can only sell you yesterdays buns"

" But I only like current buns"

Have they refused to serve me or am I being an awkward customer?

I prefer voltage buns...shocking really.....

 

[Pedro's Winger]

I understand where you're coming from but any list of unacceptable behaviour would be vague and open to interpretation anyway.

Like my pub analogy, any list of unacceptable behaviour is at the landlords discretion because what I find offensive, you may not, and vice versa.

If the landlord doesn't like me and doesn't want me in his pub because he feels my behaviour potentially harms his business, he has every right to turn away my custom.

True but I'm not sure United include social media postings in terms and conditions when you buy a season ticket or even a match ticket.
Legally, I don't know how easy it is for a company to take £300 off someone, for example, and then say we saw something unacceptable you posted on social media so you're banned from the ground.

 

[Trigger Blade]

Not exactly true.

Many a time I've been refused entry to a venue because the door staff didn't like the look of me.

That's exactly what's happened here.

But the club’s decision was based on the person’s behaviour, not on what they thought he/she might do.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Congratulations for the biggest straw man on the thread - you're saying it's not hard to find a racist post by a fan on social media, then you claim that the club thinks racism is ok because it hasn't banned this post and that it has set itself up as morality police on matters that aren't linked to it.

Good to see Lenners put his teeth back in and started gnawing again.

He'll talk vaguely about legal this and legal that without actually knowing the legal position. If he did,he'd say. The terms and conditions are there if he wants to check.

 

[OrlandoexiledBlade]

Just because someone posts something on social media that may not be liked by the club or others, does not therefore make them a "so called fan" or any less of a fan of the club.
I get sick of this "so called" being thrown out all the time. It doesn't make him any less of a fan than anyone else. A fan is someone who follows their team and supports them whether they make nice or nasty comments. That term is always thrown at hoolies, but whether they go to scrap or not they still support their team whoever it is both emotionally and financially. . It doesn't automatically make them not a fan

since when do we have"" football fans , except if they post something horrible on social media?""
""i am a fan of xxxx team, except when i post something nasty on social media""

sick of this comment/verdict in the papers and media all the time

 

[Sean Thornton]

Do you look like a thug or a minger?
Photo evidence please.

Beetle Drives are very popular these days so the doormen can be selective. the CP Company goggle jacket, NWA baseball cap and Roy Cropper shopping bag were a step too far.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Didn't say the club thinks racism is ok but if you're banning people on the basis of something they've posted on social media without saying what it is or what the standards are, how does anyone know?

I find it disturbing that there appear to be so many people on here who can't work out for themselves what an acceptable standard is with regard to a tragedy involving deaths and bereaved families. Perhaps Foxy should put together a guide in basic human dignity and make it as a sticky, since so many people seem to be struggling.

 

[TJB.]

I walk into a bakery so early they haven't started baking yet:

"Sorry can only sell you yesterdays buns"

" But I only like current buns"

Have they refused to serve me or am I being an awkward customer?

Sounds like you were being raisinable to me.

 

[Rodders]

Thug, definitely.

I'd say minging thug

 

[Sean Thornton]

Sounds like you were being raisinable to me.

The yeast he could do was not rise to the occasion. The tart.

 

[sitwell]

The yeast he could do was not rise to the occasion. The tart.

 

[TJB.]

The yeast he could do was not rise to the occasion. The tart.

I think he was right to protest. You get nowt in this world being a delicate flour.

 

[Inter_blade83]

No. They could buy a cake with a different slogan.

That was my original point without going into detail

 

[Pedro's Winger]

I find it disturbing that there appear to be so many people on here who can't work out for themselves what an acceptable standard is with regard to a tragedy involving deaths and bereaved families. Perhaps Foxy should put together a guide in basic human dignity and make it as a sticky, since so many people seem to be struggling.

That isn't what the club said though.
"The club condemns all forms of abuse on any online platform and will act quickly to punish anyone who is responsible for this type of offensive behaviour."
Doubt anyone on here could clarify what that means.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

That isn't what the club said though.
"The club condemns all forms of abuse on any online platform and will act quickly to punish anyone who is responsible for this type of offensive behaviour."
Doubt anyone on here could clarify what that means.

I don't understand what you're struggling with. What sort of abuse would you like to dish out on social media that you think might get you into trouble with SUFC?

 

[Blade for Sale]

I find it disturbing that there appear to be so many people on here who can't work out for themselves what an acceptable standard is with regard to a tragedy involving deaths and bereaved families. Perhaps Foxy should put together a guide in basic human dignity and make it as a sticky, since so many people seem to be struggling.

Why should Foxy be put in such a position? It's highly unlikley he, you or I would agree on such a standard (I can already tell by the tone of your post that you and I are polar opposites in this regard). I've said it before and I'l say it again. Freedom of expression is one of the greatest and most important rights we enjoy. If we have to put up with the odd sick comment, for me that's a small price to pay.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

I don't understand what you're struggling with. What sort of abuse would you like to dish out on social media that you think might get you into trouble with SUFC?

I don't dish out abuse and don't want to.
But what has that got to do with what the club standards are for comments on social media?

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Why should Foxy be put in such a position? It's highly unlikley he, you or I would agree on such a standard (I can already tell by the tone of your post that you and I are polar opposites in this regard). I've said it before and I'l say it again. Freedom of expression is one of the greatest and most important rights we enjoy. If we have to put up with the odd sick comment, for me that's a small price to pay.

For goodness sake, I was being sarcastic to make a point.
Freedom of expression is about not being oppressed by the state, it is not an slogan to hide behind when you want to insult, defame, or otherwise say derogatory things about someone. There are plenty of laws which prevent you saying things that you might class as "freedom of expression" and the there's the opportunity for someone to drag you in front of civil court where it's unlikey that the defence of "freedom of expression" will go down well. Have you read all of this thread? I don't understand why people are sticking up for the right to publicly make jokes about someone dying tragically whilst dragging the name of SUFC through the mud.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

I don't dish out abuse and don't want to.
But what has that got to do with what the club standards are for comments on social media?

Because it would only affect someone who wants to post something that will get them banned by SUFC. I am completely, 100% confident I will never come close to that line. You don't seem so sure.

 

[Sean Thornton]

So the club can't take action when the comment was posted on their own platform? Or are some just arguing about the wording of the statement which doesn't make that clear.

If the statement is badly worded, it doesn't affect the thinking behind it.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Because it would only affect someone who wants to post something that will get them banned by SUFC. I am completely, 100% confident I will never come close to that line. You don't seem so sure.

I doubt anyone would set out with the intentional of posting something on social media with the intention of getting banned by SUFC.
The issue here is about freedom of expression, including the ability to offend, and SUFC saying it has some unidentified standards that could result in someone being banned.
Some of us think that's questionable in a free society.

 

[Blade for Sale]

Freedom of expression is about not being oppressed by the state, it is not an slogan to hide behind when you want to insult, defame, or otherwise say derogatory things about someone.

Agreed on defamation. 'Insult and derogatory things' however are arbitrary. Some things will offend most people, some people will be offended by more things than others. Since it's impossible to define, for me the common sense approach is to draw the line at physical violence, a very clear boundary, and allow all forms of expression to continue unabated. You might see or hear some things that upset you. Such is life.

I don't understand why people are sticking up for the right to publicly make jokes about someone dying tragically whilst dragging the name of SUFC through the mud.

This, in no way, drags the name of SUFC through the mud. The comments were not made by an employee of SUFC and were not condoned or authorised by SUFC.

I'm not saying I agree with sick comments or jokes by the way, but I'm sure there is a deep seated psychological human need to normlise tragedy in some way, and, as inevitably happens, this often manifests itself through the medium of dark humour. I just think all this effort to police words could be much better expended elsewhere.

 

[Maidenhead]

But the club’s decision was based on the person’s behaviour, not on what they thought he/she might do.

That's what happens when you take a quote out of context.

I was replying to a specific point that was clearly wrong.

 

[Maidenhead]

I doubt anyone would set out with the intentional of posting something on social media with the intention of getting banned by SUFC.
The issue here is about freedom of expression, including the ability to offend, and SUFC saying it has some unidentified standards that could result in someone being banned.
Some of us think that's questionable in a free society.

With rights come responsibilities.

It's a shame that many people only ever acknowledge one half of that equation. (I'm not saying that's you btw)

Without knowing what was said, and in what context it was said, I'm not even going to start analysing the club's decision and I'm certainly nit taking sides on it.

 

[BushBlade]

With rights come responsibilities.

It's a shame that many people only ever acknowledge one half of that equation. (I'm not saying that's you btw)

Without knowing what was said, and in what context it was said, I'm not even going to start analysing the club's decision and I'm certainly not taking sides on it.

That. ^^

 

[Paisley Blade]

With rights come responsibilities.

It's a shame that many people only ever acknowledge one half of that equation. (I'm not saying that's you btw)

Without knowing what was said, and in what context it was said, I'm not even going to start analysing the club's decision and I'm certainly nit taking sides on it.

Bringing nits in to it is just lousy.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Bringing nits in to it is just lousy.

Given you a lice for that.

 

[west_yorks_blade]

Given you a lice for that.

Awful puns are my biggest bed bugbear about this forum.

 

[TJB.]

Awful puns are my biggest bed bugbear about this forum.

They help things tick over, though.