So who is this so called fan then?

[Hamburg Blade]

That's not a straw man. The club hired the guy as soon as the jail door clunked behind him. We're discussing the club taking a moral stance on certain issues and this one was in direct conflict with what they're doing now. Either leave this stuff alone and leave it to the social warriors to fathom out or take a consistent stance, you can't have it both ways.

And they got into a public mess for handling that situation badly, from beginning to end, with opinions splitting the fan base and public opinion. I don't think it particularly helps the case that this lad shouldn't be banned by bringing the Evans case into it.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

The one they've banned hasn't broken any law. The one who came out of jail, at the time had. That's a strange thing to do, punish the former but accommodate the latter.

Nope the courts deal with the ones who break the law and he’d served his time.
Why would the club need to double down unless they believe it breaches their Ts and Cs of sale?
Incidentally has Evans tried to buy tickets that you are aware of?

 

[snootyfenooty]

Incidentally has Evans tried to buy tickets that you are aware of?

Unlikely seeing as he's contracted to play for the club.

 

[WhiteHawk]

Hmm I’d be interested in some confirmation of that. I believed it was cancelled/terminated but I’m not as into the Evans saga as some.
Either way he wouldn’t have been allowed to buy a ticket until he served his sentence if we’re being daft about it.
It’s a totally different case of affairs. The club has terms and conditions of sale and this fan has breached them. All fans agree not to engage in racist, sexist or other discriminatory behaviour when they buy their tickets. You break that and you run the risk of the club refusing to serve you.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty certain we just let his contract run out.

Completely agree that United should be allowed to ban anyone using racist/sexist/discriminatory behaviour etc if someone uses it inside the stadium. What someone says on social media though is absolutely nothing to do with the club (unless of course it's directly aimed at them).

 

[Davalon]

A bit like the owner of the bakery refusing to sell a cake to gays?

Not sure it's quite the same but I didn't believe they should have lost the case, and I think it's right they won the appeal.

I don't agree with their views one jot, but they didn't refuse his custom full stop because he was gay. They just didn't agree to make the cake requested based on their strict religious beliefs.

How many Muslim bakeries would refuse also?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

The one they've banned hasn't broken any law. The one who came out of jail, at the time had. That's a strange thing to do, punish the former but accommodate the latter.

He’s broken the terms and conditions for the sale of tickets.
Are you advocating removal all banning orders across the UK because they’ve not breaking the law by attending? This straw man stuff is fun.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Unlikely seeing as he's contracted to play for the club.

Ah, so not relevant to breaking the terms and conditions by which we all agree when buying tickets then ?

 

[SwissBlade]

And they got into a public mess for handling that situation badly, from beginning to end, with opinions splitting the fan base and public opinion. I don't think it particularly helps the case that this lad shouldn't be banned by bringing the Evans case into it.

The club also sacked a young player because of social media comments against the girl in the case at the time.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty certain we just let his contract run out.

Completely agree that United should be allowed to ban anyone using racist/sexist/discriminatory behaviour etc if someone uses it inside the stadium. What someone says on social media though is absolutely nothing to do with the club (unless of course it's directly aimed at them).

Of course it is, it’s a breach of the terms and conditions (it doesn’t specify within the ground) of buying a ticket.

 

[snootyfenooty]

And they got into a public mess for handling that situation badly, from beginning to end, with opinions splitting the fan base and public opinion. I don't think it particularly helps the case that this lad shouldn't be banned by bringing the Evans case into it.

All the more reason for staying clear of this stuff, it's over their heads.

 

[SwissBlade]

Ah, so not relevant to breaking the terms and conditions by which we all agree when buying tickets then ?

Without knowing the details of what was said on social media, I’m not sure that you can say that they have broken the t&c’s of ticket sales with any certainty. This would be very tenuous.

What is clear though is that United didn’t like what was posted and banned them.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

The club also sacked a young player because of social media comments against the girl in the case at the time.

I didn't know that.

 

[Harrisblade]

Edit just seen the post above, he might not be able to get an away ticket as a Blade, but I doubt it would stop him going in as a fan of the home team.

Beyond the remit of the Club's power.
United can stop him buying any ticket for our games through our official outlets.
That seems to be sufficient punishment

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Completely agree that United should be allowed to ban anyone using racist/sexist/discriminatory behaviour etc if someone uses it inside the stadium. What someone says on social media though is absolutely nothing to do with the club (unless of course it's directly aimed at them).

Apologies for double quoting but, to use the pub analogy again, you don’t have to be a dick in the pub to be banned from it.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty certain we just let his contract run out.

Completely agree that United should be allowed to ban anyone using racist/sexist/discriminatory behaviour etc if someone uses it inside the stadium. What someone says on social media though is absolutely nothing to do with the club (unless of course it's directly aimed at them).

I assume, hawkster, that this person has made comments from a social media platform on which they have made their allegiance to Sheffield United plain for all to see, if as suggested the comments were made directly to LCFC I don't see how it isn't to do with the club. Guilt by association so to speak.

 

[snootyfenooty]

He’s broken the terms and conditions for the sale of tickets.
Are you advocating removal all banning orders across the UK because they’ve not breaking the law by attending? This straw man stuff is fun.

You'll probably find that the ones with banning orders have convictions for hooliganism in some form or another. Of course they should be banned. Aren't these people what you call straw men?

 

[SwissBlade]

I didn't know that.

Think he’s at Oldham now

Connor brown

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

You'll probably find that the ones with banning orders have convictions for hooliganism in some form or another. Of course they should be banned. Aren't these people what you call straw men?

Yeah that was the exact point, hence why I said it was a straw man and it’s completely irrelevant to this argument, but not all have convictions. I think banning orders can be given without that, albeit rarely.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I know a number of people who have been the subject of Bans by SUFC. A good number of those still go. Basically, their Risk Assessment is .... it's all publicity bluster, Utd haven't got the infrastructure to spot me in the ground, I'll keep my head down, if I get spotted or grassed, they'll ask me to leave the ground, and I will, quietly.
It's not like you'll end up in Court or similar.

 

[SwissBlade]

Hamburg Blade

Sorry, he’s at barrow now

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ng-ched-evans-related-tweets-7675437.html?amp

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

What's your view on the Luey mocking snorter this weekend?

Completely different directly mocking someone to cause hurt to them is way more serious . Making an innapropriate and Crude joke Is a bit different

 

[Inter_blade83]

Not sure it's quite the same but I didn't believe they should have lost the case, and I think it's right they won the appeal.

I don't agree with their views one jot, but they didn't refuse his custom full stop because he was gay. They just didn't agree to make the cake requested based on their strict religious beliefs.

How many Muslim bakeries would refuse also?

Like any bakery that would depend upon their own personal beliefs on what they were being asked to do

 

[BigBed]

The club had no problem associating themselves with Ched Evans whilst he was a convicted rapist.

Ched Evans fan club are alive and well I see..............any given opportunity to slag him off for no apparent reason.

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

There's a huge difference between saying something amongst your mates down the pub and putting something on open social media for the entire world to see.

No, no there isn’t if I follow 100 people who I know on twitter who are my friends etc... I want my tweets posts to be seen by them .

If United have decided to go out of there way to find someone’s tweets on there own page to try and make a point and take the moral high ground it’s pretty pathetic. People can say what they want it’s a free country.

 

[Inter_blade83]

Apologies for double quoting but, to use the pub analogy again, you don’t have to be a dick in the pub to be banned from it.

But people should be notified of what is and isn't acceptable so that they know how not to be banned themselves.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

I think football clubs, in their haste to curry favour with police, councils and so on, are extra keen to be seen as whiter than white. This is understandable as the authorities mentioned are stuck in a time warp and view football fans as the scum of the earth and fair game for any draconian measure they think reasonable to inflict upon us. The tram episode last year and shaking down old men entering the ground are two examples of overkill and the manner in which they look upon us, or should I say down on us. In any other walk of life it would be simply unacceptable. I think the clubs themselves are fed up of this but it would make them guilty by association if they dared to criticise SYP's and the council's actions. So expediency forces them to take the line they currently do. Its a shame but I suppose it serves us right for belonging to a particular sub-species.

I am an old man. I get searched when I travel by plane. I have a bag searched if I have one as I go through the turnstile onto the Kop. What is the problem? I may be old, but I was close to wanting to throw something at Angus Gunn last season. (If anyone from SUFC is reading this, that last sentence is a joke.)

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

But people should be notified of what is and isn't acceptable so that they know how not to be banned themselves.

I’m sure he will have been, otherwise I’d suggest you read the Ts and Cs when you purchase your ticket and abide by them.

I’d note the below in particular;

7.1.8 the chanting of anything of an indecent or racist nature;
7.1.9 use of any discriminatory language and behaviour;
7.1.10 Eliminating Discrimination from Football Sheffield United Football Club is committed to confront and eliminate discrimination whether by reason of sex, sexual orientation, race, nationality, ethnic origin, colour, religion or disability. The club will not tolerate sexual or racially based harassment or other discriminatory behaviour, whether physical or verbal, and will work to ensure that such behaviour is met with appropriate disciplinary action in whatever context it occurs. The club supports the Football League and the Football Association in their commitment to develop a programme of ongoing training and awareness raising events and activities, in order to promote the eradication of discrimination.

 

[Inter_blade83]

I’m sure he will have been.

And us?

 

[metalblade]

How many convicted rapists, robbers, GBH'ers, drug dealers, etc watch us on a regular basis, is the purge of near do'wells going to take in them as well? Why stop at words, lets have a cold, hard rain and clean up our fan base.

And they could start the clean up by banning the coke heads and weed smokers on the kop.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

It's time we all woke up to the fact that social media is the published word in the public domain. It's not just a bit of banter down the pub with your mates. People have to understand the difference and behave accordingly. If you can't control yourself, don't use social media.
The UK is incredibly free with this at the moment compared to other countries, my guess is it will only get more restrictive - and that will happen because people can't manage to use it sensibly.