Old Photos For No Reason Whatsoever

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?

by the time I started to know Sheffield in the 1970s - Castle Market was all you had, a precinct that to me seemed a pale imitation of a proper big food & cloth market like we have in Doncaster. Before I saw the size of the old market at Sheffield I had wrongly thought that the small size of Castle Market must be something to do with Sheffield not being surrounded by big arable farms like Donny is - but I was clearly wrong.

You still are clearly wrong.

There was also the larger old Sheaf Market (the rag and tag) was roughly where a very undistinguished office building now sits (between Commercial St, Park Sq and Broad St West). This was an outdoor market of corrugated iron stalls which moved across the road in the 70s.

s01826.jpg
8b8ed7db96572e1f13911f8d362ab172.jpg
4a20481170a03dc99ced8714e47b38ef.jpg
 

Western Road will not lose a single healthy tree. Not that the shitehouse council want it that way

Their roots are slightly are lifting the kerbs up, so in the interests of cheaper road maintenance, er I mean, health and safety, many healthy trees are marked for felling. The contract is worth too much to Amey to do otherwise.

they are in deep legal shit for unlawfully felling street trees, as well as spunking hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money on unsuccessful prosecutions

They will be more in the shit if they don't allow Amey to follow through with the contract, hence their prosecutions of their own council tax payers. You couldn't make it up, you really couldn't.

Whoever signed the contract, wants dangling up from a yet as unfelled tree. Despite the Freedom of Information Act (they redacted much of it), we will never know the true details of this seemingly one-sided deal. The fact that Amey were permitted to chop down 17,000 trees tells you it was about numbers first. The health or otherwise of the trees doesn't come into it.

Our Victorian forefathers would be spinning in their graves, but these too would be exhumed by a private contractor if there were money in it.
 
I should coco - I refer you to my previous comments on the incompetence of local government in Northern England ...

the brain drain to London has meant that the competent end up there, their positions filled by a staff at a local council unable to do their jobs properly.

They may well have a degree, but the chances are (if Doncaster is anything to go by) ... that they joined the council as school leavers - admin. clerks etc. and were sent for a freebie day-release degree at Hallam, and this makes them look qualified.

On paper, I suppose they might be but they lack enthusiasm (home on the dot of 5) and aptitude to learn, which is in itself learnt very early in life.

Now this sounds and may be snobbery on my part - but consider this, would you be happily operated on or treated by a Doctor without sufficient qualification gained at University level - and do you think these Doctors didn't really know what to do when they left school without any qualifications? and just drifted into a degree offered to them by their firm??

So that is why you get idiots making idiotic decisions at local councils in the North of England .... they are just not very bright.
 
Last edited:
a larger scale map shows the markets at roughly the same date ...View attachment 43970

Fitzalan Market, Norfolk Market, Castlefolds Market, Corn Exchange, Haymarket, Fish Market, Sheaf Market & this doesn't show the Smithfield Market between Victoria Station and the City centre. It does show Baker's Hill continuous with Fitzalan Square (which I note was called Market St. then) but it's before the GPO building there .... which was presumably when they remodelled the land to insert the sorting office and had to break Baker's Hill with a staircase?? I also thought there was a street called Shambles but I cannot see it here.

oh for further reference use this site

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=53.3831&lon=-1.4642&layers=168&b=1
If you go to your link and click on "side by side" you get the ordnance survey maps alongside what is there now. Very interesting.
 
12th December and 15th December 1940. The nights the Luftwaffe decided to take out the munitions and armaments works in Sheffield. It was codenamed 'Crucible' by the Germans. On the first night c.12,000 bombs were dropped. Whether it was poor planning or a deliberate policy, most of these fell in and around the city centre, rather than further down the Don Valley where the steel works were all located. Vicar Lane, Campo Lane took direct hits, as did the Cathedral. Later the C&A building was hit and more or less flattened and later the Marples Hotel opposite was hit, killing around 70. Earlier in the evening the early bombings hit Norton and Gleadless.

2nd night the bombs were more incendiary. Over 11,000 of these were dropped in that raid, this time targeting the steelworks, Hadfields and Brown Bayleys particularly hit.

In total more than 660 people were killed, over 1,500 injured and more than 40,000 people were made homeless 78,000 homes were damaged and many businesses in the city centre were damaged or destroyed.

lossy-page1-1280px-A_burning_building_in_Sheffield_which_was_raided_recently._New_York_Times_Paris_Bureau_Collection._-_NARA_-_541901.tif.jpg






This was Broomhall:






Walkley



The Moor




And, of course, Bramall Lane, John Street stand

350578431.jpg


The King visits the aftermath

4193823579.jpg
The first picture shows the aforementioned Walsh's going up in flames. Very evocotive.
 
I should coco - I refer you to my previous comments on the incompetence of local government in Northern England ...

the brain drain to London has meant that the competent end up there, their positions filled by a staff at a local council unable to do their jobs properly.

They may well have a degree, but the chances are (if Doncaster is anything to go by) ... that they joined the council as school leavers - admin. clerks etc. and were sent for a freebie day-release degree at Hallam, and this makes them look qualified.

On paper, I suppose they might be but they lack enthusiasm (home on the dot of 5) and aptitude to learn, which is in itself learnt very early in life.

Now this sounds and may be snobbery on my part - but consider this, would you be happily operated on or treated by a Doctor without sufficient qualification gained at University level - and do you think these Doctors didn't really know what to do when they left school without any qualifications? and just drifted into a degree offered to them by their firm??

So that is why you get idiots making idiotic decisions at local councils in the North of England .... they are just not very bright.
It’s not just the north. No one wants to work for a local authority. I worked for one of the major London ones for a while and my line manager had to explain to me that I shouldn’t be too hard on some of the other staff because local authorities had to recruit from the bottom of the pond. I didn’t stay long.

You’re quite right, they’re barely competent at best and are further hampered by unmanageable work loads. A West London borough is repeatedly failing to deal with planning applications within the allotted timescales because they can’t retain staff. I’ve heard anecdotedly that some planners have just had numerous case files dumped on them when they start and quit within a week when they realise they can’t cope with that volume of work.

And don’t get me onto outsourcing. Councils outsourcing to private contractors is like making twelve year olds prefects at a rough secondary school.
 
One of the reasons I'm no longer an RIBA member and have sort of drifted away from the profession is that they mostly seem content to live with the present planning system -

when I bring up the idea that architects should put together a plan to take to central government to show them how much money they could save by sacking the talentless bastards and restore planning decisions to architects - they are outraged.

I can't understand it, I must have lost many thousands because of planners and their decisions that are all about maintaining the status quo.

That it might allow more thoughtful town planning and building design in England seems too disruptive to these people too.
 
One of the reasons I'm no longer an RIBA member and have sort of drifted away from the profession is that they mostly seem content to live with the present planning system -

when I bring up the idea that architects should put together a plan to take to central government to show them how much money they could save by sacking the talentless bastards and restore planning decisions to architects - they are outraged.

I can't understand it, I must have lost many thousands because of planners and their decisions that are all about maintaining the status quo.

That it might allow more thoughtful town planning and building design in England seems too disruptive to these people too.
Sorry but having spent most of today explaining to an architect why they can’t fucking build what they’ve shown on their drawings I have little sympathy for your argument. ;)
 

Sorry but having spent most of today explaining to an architect why they can’t fucking build what they’ve shown on their drawings I have little sympathy for your argument. ;)

well, there are architects and then there are architects .....

right, on the Ipswich Town player above ... let me be the first to proffer Kevin Viljoen ?

ps Colin (a name etched on my passport)
 
Colin Viljoen (probably spelled/spelt wrongly) TC, Salmons , Spieght, Steve Faulkner*, Mick Mills

*might be Steve Mackenzie.

Vorpal beat me to it.
You are thinking of Ian MacKenzie. It is not him, it is Steve Faulkner playing his second 1st team match, Ipswich 1 (Whymark) Blades 1 (Woodward pen) my dad said that the match was the first time he heard me use a swearword!
 
The team was; Hodgkinson, Badger, Shaw, Munks, Mallender, Barlow, Woodward, Carlin, Addison, T Wagstaff and Reece.
Definitely Bernard Shaw. This was the FA Cup match in 1968 which we lost 1-0. The photo was on the cover of the Park Drive football book that came out yearly. I am in the crowd somewhere between Shaw and Charlton.
 

View attachment 43994


This wonderful thing. If anyone knows more about the history of Hobott please get in touch with me, I'm trying to find out more.
Hobott stands for House of Barrington ,which was a shop and kit supplier based on Abbeydale rd. I was a good schoolfriend of David Barrington whos father (tony ?) owned the business. David was a good friend of Daniel and Simon Sugar sons of Alan but when he became a director of JJB he got mixed up in a fraud and ended up going to jail in a well publicised case. Tony and David were both very keen Sheff Utd fans and House of Barrington also dealt in Antiques.
 

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?

Back
Top Bottom