Hate to say it

[KoppedOff]

I’m no accountant, but I’m pretty sure there are other factors when it comes to football transfer kittys rather than “Oooh, we’ve got £12m, so we can sign four £3m players now”. Its not FIFA ‘99.

Wages?
Agent fees?
Bonuses?
Add ons?
When selling, what about percentages owed in sell on fees?
The fact fees are paid in installments?
Taxes?

Its like getting a job paying 30k a year and thinking “great- thats 30k worth of booze, new clothes, holidays and a new car this week” whilst completely disregarding tax, NI, rent, electric bills, food, car tax, petrol, etc, etc, etc, and the fact the 30k gets paid in 12 monthly installments.

And where do these “accepted” transfer fee figures come from? Clubs dont even disclose them anymore. It’s all heresay and estimates from journalists and ITK twitter accounts. Then it gets regurgitated through social media, internet forums and pub talk- Chinese Whispers started by people who don't really know in the first place.

 

[blademark]

The general gist of the replies to the op only highlights to me why successive chairman and boards at SUFC have got away with it for at least 50 years now. That window was shocking, a typical lack of ambition SUFC window, at times, especially in the last few days, downright embarrassing window. This club has punched below its weight for many years now, and that last window says everything you need to know about the ethos at Bramall Lane. McCabe and all the bean counters will be happy, as will the happy clappers in the stands.

Just have a look at the product on offer on the pitch today. Might just make you proud. Might even be our best team for decades. All this political talk is in danger of overshadowing what a tremendous job our Manager is doing in very testing circumstances.

 

[Tommoblade66]

If it pays off them I'm all for it.

 

[finlaytheblade]

I was going to mention Norwood but by club finger pressed the wrong button on the screen.
But the facts are we’ve (Wilder) has spent less than we’ve brought in. I don’t feel we’ve pushed the boat out at all. McCabe and the Prince have again showed a total lack of ambition. Wankers the pair of them. I feel Wilder been stitched up yet again.
He will not doubt put a brave face on it, as he has too but he will inwardly know we’ve missed another opportunity.

Opportunity to bash McCabe again,!! Wilder has repeatedly said he is happy with his budget ( obviously would have liked more)
Spending it carefully he is gradually improving the squad.
Until the ownership is sorted ( September hopefully ) things will not change quickly,I must admire his wheeling and dealing in the window to make profits on two players who were not good enough is brill and he has improved the squad in the process.

 

[Barney]

Opportunity to bash McCabe again,!! Wilder has repeatedly said he is happy with his budget ( obviously would have liked more)
Spending it carefully he is gradually improving the squad.
Until the ownership is sorted ( September hopefully ) things will not change quickly,I must admire his wheeling and dealing in the window to make profits on two players who were not good enough is brill and he has improved the squad in the process.

What budget has he been spending from?

He raised his own budget.

 

[SteveBlade]

It wasn't even a bad window though. I'm more interested in personnel than the fees we paid.

Our keeper is arguably better. We've strengthened in defence, and our midfield is 10x better with Norwood in there for Evans.

We now have competition for Stevens, which was a priority for me. He's started the season well, but we all saw what happened when he was our only option.

Our strike force is no worse. McGoldrick is undoubtedly a better footballer technically than Donaldson, without the physical attributes. Washington adds decent cover, and I hope he can contribute well.

A reight good and expensive striker would have been brilliant, but I'm confident that now we've found our rythym again thanks to the signing of Norwood, we won't struggle for goals.

 

[finlaytheblade]

What budget has he been spending from?

He raised his own budget.

Just goes to show what a good manager we have..Why keep on about lack of funds it's been.like this for 50 plus yearsyears.Wilder is on course to be our best ever manager his ability to squeeze the best from his budget rivals Bassett era..
All this talk of marquee signings is rubbishrubbish it's not the Wilder way.To have 1or 2 players on big money would destroy what he's building.he is well down the road to building a team to be proud of.
Fans keep trying to bully him .but like Bassett ( who I beleave is his mentor) he will do it his eay

 

[Tapton Blade]

If we were paying silly high wages like a lot of clubs do you think the players we have recently moved out would have gone. A lot of other clubs would not be able to afford them and we would be likely stuck with them while in contract. Minimal chance of getting new better players in. Wilders doing a briliant job wheeling and dealing with the budget and wage structure he has got. We are progressing and improving all the time in a sensble way. It all makes the club attractive to new investors when the ownership is sorted out. If big money ever comes in things would change for the better.

 

[Barney]

Just goes to show what a good manager we have..Why keep on about lack of funds it's been.like this for 50 plus yearsyears.Wilder is on course to be our best ever manager his ability to squeeze the best from his budget rivals Bassett era..
All this talk of marquee signings is rubbishrubbish it's not the Wilder way.To have 1or 2 players on big money would destroy what he's building.he is well down the road to building a team to be proud of.
Fans keep trying to bully him .but like Bassett ( who I beleave is his mentor) he will do it his eay

I'm not sure how you think fans are bullying Wilder because the problem isn't with Wilder, and I haven't seen anyone suggest that it is. All I will say is your view that we should only have players on low wages is very outdated. The money in the game is ridiculous at championship level now. You can have all the team spirit you like, any clubs that aren't with the times financially will get left behind.

 

[finlaytheblade]

I'm not sure how you think fans are bullying Wilder because the problem isn't with Wilder, and I haven't seen anyone suggest that it is. All I will say is your view that we should only have players on low wages is very outdated. The money in the game is ridiculous at championship level now. You can have all the team spirit you like, any clubs that aren't with the times financially will get left behind.

The wage structure is going up but is under control we have been down the. road of paying big wages,don't beleave Wilder is against that but he wants a level playing field at the moment.
Promotion to the premiership would change that as the players and agents are more powerful up there.
Wilder and the club are not nieve and are aware things would change.
But for now we are in my opinion doing it the right way.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Derby Leeds Villa and Boro have all broke the bank........ They can’t all go up.
If you chuck in the relegated clubs with their parachute money.............We’re doing very nicely thank you.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Value for money should always be the deciding factor. Whether it’s an over inflated transfer fee or a players wage demands.

 

[I should coco]

Any profits on player sales will be just used to lessen the amount McCabe and the Prince have to put in to run the club

...and the penny finally drops.

They have to put money in because we lose money every year and those losses need to be covered. Why is it such a bad thing that in the middle of a dispute, they wish to reduce these outgoings.

Of course we all wish it wasn't so, but this is the situation we have and moaning about it does not change it.

 

[Redhead]

As usual though, those who said it won't happen that are the most disappointed. It's as if they didn't really believe what they were saying.

I wouldn’t saying I am distraught ‘Sean’ with the centre forward signings but I think if we are all honest there is a slight disappointment that both new forwards are not the marque signings we hoped for.

Being a tad controversial apart from CWs first transfer window the signings since then have not really been the best. So maybe the philosophy the club is using in the transfer market is not as good as they think.

 

[davidblade]

...and the penny finally drops.

They have to put money in because we lose money every year and those losses need to be covered. Why is it such a bad thing that in the middle of a dispute, they wish to reduce these outgoings.

Of course we all wish it wasn't so, but this is the situation we have and moaning about it does not change it.

Every football club in the League loses money, it’s a fact of life.
If you enter the world of football ownership it’s something you should be prepared for. I have no sympathy for them at all.

 

[snootyfenooty]

The final bigger blade shit then hits the fan, in an I know best routine. You clearly don't, otherwise you'd know what to expect from the latest fucking owners and the financial position and wouldnt have to resort to insulting fans who don't agree with you.

Sounds like you who's doing the bed wetting Sean. Calling someone a happy clapper is hardly an insult ffs,

 

[snootyfenooty]

The general gist of the replies to the op only highlights to me why successive chairman and boards at SUFC have got away with it for at least 50 years now. That window was shocking, a typical lack of ambition SUFC window, at times, especially in the last few days, downright embarrassing window. This club has punched below its weight for many years now, and that last window says everything you need to know about the ethos at Bramall Lane. McCabe and all the bean counters will be happy, as will the happy clappers in the stands.

Exactly this. Everyone's arguing about the merits of McGoldrick vs Lavery vs Washington vs Donaldson but are missing the main point by about 10 miles. None of them are better than Sharp or Clarke and herein lies the problem as these two are living on borrowed time.

 

[Kenilworth]

I wouldn’t saying I am distraught ‘Sean’ with the centre forward signings but I think if we are all honest there is a slight disappointment that both new forwards are not the marque signings we hoped for.

Being a tad controversial apart from CWs first transfer window the signings since then have not really been the best. So maybe the philosophy the club is using in the transfer market is not as good as they think.

Must have been fucking suicidal when we bought Agana and then Deane, eh?

Proper marquee signings, they were in this division.

 

[blademark]

It wasn't even a bad window though. I'm more interested in personnel than the fees we paid.

Our keeper is arguably better. We've strengthened in defence, and our midfield is 10x better with Norwood in there for Evans.

We now have competition for Stevens, which was a priority for me. He's started the season well, but we all saw what happened when he was our only option.

Our strike force is no worse. McGoldrick is undoubtedly a better footballer technically than Donaldson, without the physical attributes. Washington adds decent cover, and I hope he can contribute well.

A reight good and expensive striker would have been brilliant, but I'm confident that now we've found our rythym again thanks to the signing of Norwood, we won't struggle for goals.

Couldnt have put it better myself Mr Steve.

 

[Topplayersleave]

The general gist of the replies to the op only highlights to me why successive chairman and boards at SUFC have got away with it for at least 50 years now. That window was shocking, a typical lack of ambition SUFC window, at times, especially in the last few days, downright embarrassing window. This club has punched below its weight for many years now, and that last window says everything you need to know about the ethos at Bramall Lane. McCabe and all the bean counters will be happy, as will the happy clappers in the stands.

Glad you said that
What the boardroom don't understand is the wow factor

They just don't get it

They don't see that a Lucas Joao, Britt Asombolonga, Scott Hogan type of signing would have brought extra fans back immediately

And not just extra fans, it would have created a buzz, a level of excitement, a really positive atmosphere for the players to perform in

We've brought in players that will create the usual silence, the flat atmosphere, the pensive, awkward, let's wait and see what happens type of signings.
If they struggle for seven or eight games at the beginning theyll be out of the team and their finished and they'll spend their time with us being loaned out to a League One club and eventually allowed to leave quietly with nobody hardly noticing.

We'd better hope they excel themselves and start doing what they so far haven't done

 

[CarlMcBlade]

The reasons that Leeds,Derby,Villa,Boro and dare I say it .......Wendy tear themselves apart year after year and spend money they can’t afford is purely down to delusions of grandeur.
They all think they are Premier league teams who should be in the Premier league. It really make me laugh when less pretentious teams like Huddersfield, Fulham and Cardiff just stroll past them and get promoted.
Although we are far from being a Cinderella club we do enjoy this division and feel comfortable in. Any attempt at promotion is seen as a happy bonus.

 

[spongebobblade]

What I don’t get is this obsession with some about spending money. Surely a bargain is more preferable?
Let’s have an example. At the beginning of last season Conor Washington and Martyn Waghorn were pretty much on par as very average Championship players. Suddenly one scores 10 more league goals than the other and he’s worth 5m more! That’s 500k per goal! Some cream themselves at the thought of buying one and throw the toys out when we end up with the other. For me there’s very little between the two.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Sounds like you who's doing the bed wetting Sean. Calling someone a happy clapper is hardly an insult ffs,

Of course I am. You're in the same camp as SUFC H. Know exactly why we can't spend spend spend but still demand it. It's not about the obvious conclusions about where we are but the fact that non stop moaning hasnt got any one fan anywhere. So rather than accept that reality, other fans - who know just as much - are blamed - wait for it - for backing the team by watching them. It's bollocks.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I wouldn’t saying I am distraught ‘Sean’ with the centre forward signings but I think if we are all honest there is a slight disappointment that both new forwards are not the marque signings we hoped for.

Being a tad controversial apart from CWs first transfer window the signings since then have not really been the best. So maybe the philosophy the club is using in the transfer market is not as good as they think.

I've said much the same mate. I do understand the financial realities though. I'm also willing to give Wilders latest signings a chance.

 

[Rodley]

Of course I am. You're in the same camp as SUFC H. Know exactly why we can't spend spend spend but still demand it. It's not about the obvious conclusions about where we are but the fact that non stop moaning hasnt got any one fan anywhere. So rather than accept that reality, other fans - who know just as much - are blamed - wait for it - for backing the team by watching them. It's bollocks.

A supporter pilloried for providing support. When our manager has expressly requested us to do so. What sort of moron objects to that?

 

[EddieColquhoun]

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Being a tad controversial apart from CWs first transfer window the signings since then have not really been the best. So maybe the philosophy the club is using in the transfer market is not as good as they think.

Baldock has been good, Stevens has become a Championship regular on a free and Norwood has looked excellent so far.

 

[Rodley]

Baldock has been good, Stevens has become a Championship regular on a free and Norwood has looked excellent so far.

Overall we’re looking stronger. I’ll reserve judgement on Washington, he’s banged them in for a season at L1. Not done it yet at Champ level, so he’s a bit like a Jack Marriott or a Adam Armstrong type signing IMHO.

 

[oldblade]

We’re still shopping at pound land.
Outs
Brooks 12mill
Lee Evans ~1 mil
R Leonard ~ 1 mil

One
Egan 4 mil

£4 million on a defender is hardly shopping at Pound Land and we have brought in more than just the two players you have mentioned.

Also, it is what you spend your money on that matters, not how much you spend. Robson spent probably more money than we've ever spent before (or since) and yet when he left we were hovering just above the Championship relegation dog fight.

In my opinion, our subsequent decline and struggle to get out of division 3 was in large part due to the poorly judged spending that took place during Robson's time here.

 

[Harrisblade]

I am certain he will he’s just waiting for the right job opportunity.
I’m not after them spending multi millions just a balance of player sales and players bought.
Admittedly salaries will have gone up but not relatively to what other clubs are spending on salaries.

So you really believe after everything Wilders said and done for us and for previous clubs - he would spunk money just for the sake of it?
Even Derby only matched the fee we were going to pay Ipswich, Wilder decided that he just wasn't worth the wages he was asking for.

Did that upset you?

 

[Bellypork]

The reasons that Leeds,Derby,Villa,Boro and dare I say it .......Wendy tear themselves apart year after year and spend money they can’t afford is purely down to delusions of grandeur.
They all think they are Premier league teams who should be in the Premier league. It really make me laugh when less pretentious teams like Huddersfield, Fulham and Cardiff just stroll past them and get promoted.
Although we are far from being a Cinderella club we do enjoy this division and feel comfortable in. Any attempt at promotion is seen as a happy bonus.

I agree with you re' Derby and 'Boro, but I don't think it's delusions of grandeur on Villa's part.

They are a PL team - I think they're ranked sixth in this country, if I'm not mistaken.

Wednesday were a very poor outfit when Chansiri came in, so money needed to be spent simply to stave off relegation. The main problem at S6 is where the money's been spent, with millions lavished unnecessarily in some departments and practically nowt elsewhere.

As for Leeds, they spend but they also bring in vast sums of money through sales (e.g. Wood £15 million). And because they have a much larger fan base nationwide than the Sheffield clubs, they bring in far more through merchandising.

Money needs to be spent at S2, but IMO it's a gradual increase in wages which is required. But of course that usually occurs when better players are brought in, which is incremental.

If the top earner at United is on 1/3 of Rhodes' wages according to Tufty, or £13 000 a week, - and that will doubtless be a striker - the club can't then bring in another striker on Rhodes' wages.

Wages are proportional to a player's value, and that's probably why there was a ceiling of £5 million placed on any incoming forward. In other words, a more costly striker could have commanded wages which would have broken the current structure.