Jim Chimmerney
Can hear the 'Cod Army' roar from his back garden
and back on topic again, I believe he's injured and won't play tonight.
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Hamburg Blade ok I don't want to taint another thread (too late somebody beat me to it) with the same old arguments and thank you for pointing me in the direction of bartman 's posting. In my mind that particular post is flawed, before we even get to 'perceived consent' I wonder what the feminists (and sane people too) would make of that argument?
I am dropping myinput to this from the thread because it is the wrong place to discuss it however if you want to post about it further I'd be happy to in an 'off topic' post.
In particular what you say in posting 140 strikes a chord as I did the same but came to the opposite conclusion.
Excellent post tomtheblade possibly the best I've seen on this topic I would just add what was particularly worrying (from people I met not so much people on here) and any of these people could become or had already been jurors were the 2 following horrifying arguments:
'You're only on his side because he's a United player.'
'If you were a woman you'd feel differently about this.'
Neither of these were true the 'side' I was on I had arrived at by studying as much material around the case as possible but to think a jury member would base a decision on
1. The alleged crime's seriousness.
2. Whether they liked the suspect or not (for whatever reason).
3. That he was male (or female).
Just makes our legal system a laughing stock.
and back on topic again, I believe he's injured and won't play tonight.
and back on topic again, I believe he's injured and won't play tonight.
Until we let him go, he scores a hatful and........................10 page of arguments (again), he’s injured again, ironically during a loan spell to prove his fitness and he hasn’t scored for us... yes it’s been a successful signing all in all!
Can’t wait until we let him go, hope it’s Jan rather than then end of the year but I’m willing to wait I until the end of the season to have something to celebrate!
and back on topic again, I believe he's injured and won't play tonight.
I'm no expert, you seem to have dug deeper in this then me so maybe you can help. I'll give you my very basic take on this element of it and you can tell me if I'm wrong (hopefully where)So many Ched supporters shout about how he was proven not to be guilty and has cleared his name in the second trial (he wasn't, by the way, he was aquited, which is different), does it not occur to anyone that the jury simply took the easy way out of a difficult case and said, "he's already done his time, finding him guilty won't achieve anything"?
I'm not interested in getting into all this again, but the whole "he only cheated on his girlfriend" just shows a lack of knowledge of the case.
To start with, I'm not a legal professional, so this is only as I understand it. Your points are essentially correct. I'm not sure whether he had served all his time and was out on licence, but that's irrelevant. As far as I remember it, his sentence was set aside and he was re-tried, as opposed to the trial being an appeal.I'm no expert, you seem to have dug deeper in this then me so maybe you can help. I'll give you my very basic take on this element of it and you can tell me if I'm wrong (hopefully where)
Ched was innocent till proven guilty
He was found guilty and sent to prison
Served the time and then campaigned to clear his name
The previous ruling was overturned and his name was 'cleared'
Now my take is they were not saying he was defiantly innocent, bit there wasn't enough there to prove his guilt?
Therefore by the first point is assumed innocent?
Iv no problem with people not believing his side just because he was cleared. Just like I never accepted he was guilty even though they came back with that verdict. However iv no time for people who think he deserves to be treated like a rapist whether he did it or not because his 'morals' don't match that of there own.
Very good point.I am not well disposed to Evans because irrespective of what the law may say about his actions, those actions had very negative consequences for Sheffield United.
Disagree with this, had he not been heading to trial he would have almost certainly been sold in January having accrued 14 goals by the end of December and this was what United have consistently done until recently.Had Evans not done what he did we would almost certainly have been promoted in 2012. We had another 5 seasons in League one instead. Now we are up, our owners cannot compete with other teams re fees and wages. The situation might have been better in 2012.
Disagree with this, had he not been heading to trial he would have almost certainly been sold in January having accrued 14 goals by the end of December and this was what United have consistently done until recently.
Just scored again, two in a minute
Therell be a few on here genuinely pissed off that he’s scoring goals.Maybe if one or two on here try a wee bit harder, they might be able to pin Grenfell Towers on him.
I’m sure a scapegoat is required there !!
Stick to the footie fellas
UTB
Honestly with our current striker shortage reckon he could offer something different here.
No leave him where he is. Let him build his fitness and gain some confidence and we can re-evaluate in Jan.Honestly with our current striker shortage reckon he could offer something different here.
I agree. I think it’s good for him and us for him to have a spell away from here where expectations aren’t so high. A fit and confident Ched is what’s needed. It would be a bit of a fairy tale if it came true, but let the lad try for it.No leave him where he is. Let him build his fitness and gain some confidence and we can re-evaluate in Jan.
No leave him where he is. Let him build his fitness and gain some confidence and we can re-evaluate in Jan.
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